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Title: Chapter 5 - The New York Consolidated Card Company
Post by: Chuqii on April 07, 2020, 09:58:43 AM
Chapter 5 - The New York Consolidated Card Company
Title: Re: Chapter 5 - The New York Consolidated Card Company
Post by: Chuqii on April 13, 2020, 03:56:05 PM
NY63 Elf deck c1890 - Hochman only shows NY63a and NY63b.  NY63 is a more refined than NY63a.

Title: Re: Chapter 5 - The New York Consolidated Card Company
Post by: Chuqii on June 29, 2021, 04:36:48 PM
NY62 - DeLuxe #342 - This is the full size version of the much more common DeLuxe #142.  Comes in a Gold Medal Playing Cards box with a 10 cent tax stamp.  This deck can also be found with a full color joker Ace of Spades.

Title: Re: Chapter 5 - The New York Consolidated Card Company
Post by: Chuqii on December 01, 2021, 06:30:03 PM
Hochman is pretty scant on Bee decks.  This Ace of Spades is a bit less detailed than NY60 (more white space around the 92 for example), but still has the name of the company spelled out in full.  I would put this Ace between the two shown in Hochman.
Title: Re: Chapter 5 - The New York Consolidated Card Company
Post by: NCC1888 on December 01, 2021, 07:05:15 PM
I like that NY63 card back. The AoS is a George G White design.      https://fpopc.weebly.com/g-g-whites-card-designs.html
Title: Re: Chapter 5 - The New York Consolidated Card Company
Post by: Chuqii on January 12, 2022, 05:20:08 PM
And here's another Bee variant Ace of Spades.  Less detail than NY60, more than the deck I showed above.  This one is c1920.

Title: Re: Chapter 5 - The New York Consolidated Card Company
Post by: Worst Bower on January 13, 2024, 11:43:51 AM
The date for NY16 JNO. J. LEVY seems like a mistake or at least the joker is too early. It looks closer to 1870 than 1860 since NY22 mentions a similar joker. It also contradicts NY36, which is called the earliest joker. (UPDATE: First edition of Hochman gives NY16 an 1871 date! See: https://www.plainbacks.com/PBNew/Packs%20Pages/I112.html (https://www.plainbacks.com/PBNew/Packs%20Pages/I112.html) and https://www.plainbacks.com/PBNew/Packs%20Pages/I138.html (https://www.plainbacks.com/PBNew/Packs%20Pages/I138.html))

NY16b has corner indices (http://a.trionfi.eu/WWPCM/decks16/d14757/d14757.htm (http://a.trionfi.eu/WWPCM/decks16/d14757/d14757.htm)). Levy didn't have the rights to manufacture them in 1868 as his cousin and then competitor, Hart, owned the patent. It won't be until they merged in '72 did he start using them. This deck should date a few years before '76 when a similar "best bower" card as seen in NY63 became a company mainstay.

NY37 gives a circa 1868 date when the year 1869 is clearly printed on the card itself.

NY39 has a c1870 date but NYCC wasn't formed until  February 1872 (https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-new-york-times-copartenership-of-nyc/27766989/).
Title: Re: Chapter 5 - The New York Consolidated Card Company
Post by: Chuqii on January 14, 2025, 02:37:49 PM
NY52a - c1895

Been a while since I could add to the Hochman Updates.

Here is the original GEM No 53 Ace of Spades, before the "The" was added to the Ace of Spades.