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Title: new product from dan and dave
Post by: zaganh on February 12, 2012, 12:42:18 PM
New Product Launching in 5 days, 10 hours, 18 minutes and 48 second

will it be a new deck ? or somthing else ?
Title: Re: new product from dan and dave
Post by: Evan on February 12, 2012, 12:44:37 PM
Well they haven't had a deck yet this month so my guess is that it will be a deck.

Is there a countdown somewhere?
Title: Re: new product from dan and dave
Post by: zaganh on February 12, 2012, 12:46:02 PM
Well they haven't had a deck yet this month so my guess is that it will be a deck.

Is there a countdown somewhere?

damn it haha im half happy and half damn i wished i lived near them so shipping and customs wasnt so much its on there website in the shop bit
Title: Re: new product from dan and dave
Post by: Paul Carpenter on February 12, 2012, 01:32:03 PM
Yeah, it's been at least 3 or 4 days since a new D&D deck was released, they are certainly falling behind schedule and need to get something out soon. ;)

Or it could be a new foot lotion, to match with their hand lotion and allow for subtler steps when performing magic.
Title: Re: new product from dan and dave
Post by: zaganh on February 12, 2012, 01:35:27 PM
Yeah, it's been at least 3 or 4 days since a new D&D deck was released, they are certainly falling behind schedule and need to get something out soon. ;)

Or it could be a new foot lotion, to match with their hand lotion and allow for subtler steps when performing magic.

haha foot lotion i hope its that new cardistry thing they was making
Title: Re: new product from dan and dave
Post by: NathanCanadas on February 12, 2012, 01:38:48 PM
I think it's gonna be a facial cream to make you seem more attractive in the spectators' eyes LOL. :P They kind of annoy me because they, in my opinion, overprice many of their stuff for sale.
Title: Re: new product from dan and dave
Post by: dmbaggs on February 12, 2012, 02:28:21 PM
Wow... if this is true...  ???

I've actually sort of stopped caring about them releasing new decks. I haven't gotten any of the past 4 releases so one more isn't a big deal. It really could be anything. They seem to be expanding their product line a bit. Guess we will find out in 5 days  ::)
Title: Re: new product from dan and dave
Post by: hazofhorsham on February 12, 2012, 02:28:58 PM
Smoke and Mirrors v7?
Title: Re: new product from dan and dave
Post by: Evan on February 12, 2012, 02:30:35 PM
Smoke and Mirrors v7?
I don't think those will be coming out until later this year but its possible....
Title: Re: new product from dan and dave
Post by: dmbaggs on February 12, 2012, 02:31:30 PM
Smoke and Mirrors v7?
I don't think those will be coming out until later this year but its possible....

Yeah isn't that usually around September? Plus there has been no build up like the other releases
Title: Re: new product from dan and dave
Post by: John B. on February 12, 2012, 02:34:43 PM
if its another deck i will be done with D&D, when you release this many decks to things happen, one it kills the wallet of everyone, and two the amount of time and detail put in it becomes less and less since you work on it only for a few months.
Title: Re: new product from dan and dave
Post by: zaganh on February 12, 2012, 02:36:29 PM
if its another deck i will be done with D&D, when you release this many decks to things happen, one it kills the wallet of everyone, and two the amount of time and detail put in it becomes less and less since you work on it only for a few months.

it has upsides though if everyones wallets damage they sell out more slower and you have time to get them anyway and everything they put out is quality and you dont know how long they have been pre planing it or working on it
Title: Re: new product from dan and dave
Post by: John B. on February 12, 2012, 02:38:12 PM
still i have seen D&Ds stuff and it does not hit me as AMAZING at all, it could just be that i dont like their designs I dont know.
Title: Re: new product from dan and dave
Post by: dmbaggs on February 12, 2012, 02:39:59 PM
I think there has been a drop in the quality of the designs but some of that is in the eye of the beholder. I think if they took a little more time and timed it right their designs would be more warmly welcomed. There is a lot of psychology behind it as well.
Title: Re: new product from dan and dave
Post by: John B. on February 12, 2012, 02:52:43 PM
I do agree with that.
Title: Re: new product from dan and dave
Post by: Gunshy1 on February 12, 2012, 03:43:40 PM
im feeling a new magic/cardistry dvd
Title: Re: new product from dan and dave
Post by: TheDiamondKing23 on February 12, 2012, 04:27:23 PM
I wish it is a DECK!!!!!!! :D
Title: Re: new product from dan and dave
Post by: jriffel on February 12, 2012, 05:54:29 PM
It's got to be one of their monthly deck releases.  Besides, we haven't had a good Valentine's or US President's deck.
Title: Re: new product from dan and dave
Post by: dmbaggs on February 12, 2012, 05:58:07 PM
It's got to be one of their monthly deck releases.  Besides, we haven't had a good Valentine's or US President's deck.

Haha maybe it'll be the first pink deck from a big company like I was talking about  :P In all seriousness that would be pretty cool!
Title: Re: new product from dan and dave
Post by: zaganh on February 12, 2012, 06:44:23 PM
haha i would use it i asked dan he wouldnt tell me >< there keeping it under wraps so it must be good right
Title: Re: new product from dan and dave
Post by: dmbaggs on February 12, 2012, 06:58:15 PM
haha i would use it i asked dan he wouldnt tell me >< there keeping it under wraps so it must be good right

Haha I wish that's how it went!! They could just be trying to hype. It doesn't necessarily mean it'll be a good product. We'll have to wait and see, but I wouldn't count your chickens before the hatch  :P
Title: Re: new product from dan and dave
Post by: zaganh on February 12, 2012, 07:00:21 PM
haha i would use it i asked dan he wouldnt tell me >< there keeping it under wraps so it must be good right

Haha I wish that's how it went!! They could just be trying to hype. It doesn't necessarily mean it'll be a good product. We'll have to wait and see, but I wouldn't count your chickens before the hatch  :P



what if its a new book with a deck if this is as heavy as iaocp i need more money damn shipping haha
Title: Re: new product from dan and dave
Post by: K on February 12, 2012, 08:48:03 PM
please not another deck.... but then again if it was another deck I could get my signed fulton's (Clip Joint and Chinese new year) and signed plaid.. all together now..


haha, when fulton's clip joint came out i was like, i'll wait.. then plaid came out and i was like, i'll wait then i saw the teasers for the chinese new year fulton's and was.. i'll wait...till now, i think i'll wait for the next deck LOL
Title: Re: new product from dan and dave
Post by: Gunshy1 on February 12, 2012, 09:27:08 PM
maybe their forum is finally going to be opened up again.
Title: Re: new product from dan and dave
Post by: dmbaggs on February 12, 2012, 10:09:07 PM
please not another deck.... but then again if it was another deck I could get my signed fulton's (Clip Joint and Chinese new year) and signed plaid.. all together now..


haha, when fulton's clip joint came out i was like, i'll wait.. then plaid came out and i was like, i'll wait then i saw the teasers for the chinese new year fulton's and was.. i'll wait...till now, i think i'll wait for the next deck LOL

Yeah I've been waiting on those as well. I'm sure sometime I'll pick them up but for now I'm just not super interested. If they release a great deck I will probably pick up a few of the others with this new one.

There is a good chance this isn't a deck though.
Title: Re: new product from dan and dave
Post by: xela on February 13, 2012, 01:01:59 AM
Oh bother.
Title: Re: new product from dan and dave
Post by: Don Boyer on February 13, 2012, 02:20:38 AM
At this point I don't care if their forum reopens.  They don't read other forums, why should I read theirs?  :))

I would die laughing if it was S&M v7.  It doesn't need a big hype machine - it's freakin' Smoke & Mirrors.  They could release it in chartreuse and print it with crayons on toilet paper with a sandpaper finish, all done with only one hour's notice to their fans, and it would still blow the doors off it would sell out so fast.  In the end, that's kind of sad.

The first three S&Ms were original and had differences that were easily seen in each release.  The next three were a series of color changes; so the first one was SO nice, you had to make two more that were identical except for color?  But every single release sold out in under a day, to the best of my knowledge - at the least the last few did.

Why are we rewarding such mediocrity?
Title: Re: new product from dan and dave
Post by: dmbaggs on February 13, 2012, 04:26:11 AM
At this point I don't care if their forum reopens.  They don't read other forums, why should I read theirs?  :))

I would die laughing if it was S&M v7.  It doesn't need a big hype machine - it's freakin' Smoke & Mirrors.  They could release it in chartreuse and print it with crayons on toilet paper with a sandpaper finish, all done with only one hour's notice to their fans, and it would still blow the doors off it would sell out so fast.  In the end, that's kind of sad.

The first three S&Ms were original and had differences that were easily seen in each release.  The next three were a series of color changes; so the first one was SO nice, you had to make two more that were identical except for color?  But every single release sold out in under a day, to the best of my knowledge - at the least the last few did.

Why are we rewarding such mediocrity?

Probably because half of the people on here are card collectors and these releases are apart of their hobby. You also have the many people who try to get all of one companies decks. Finally there are some people who just end up liking the decks, no matter what the general public thinks.

Sure the S&M would sell no matter what, but it's not going to be that deck. They would have hyped it up more.
Title: Re: new product from dan and dave
Post by: Jin Jian on February 13, 2012, 09:26:40 AM
it will be really sick if it is another deck
Title: Re: new product from dan and dave
Post by: LauR on February 13, 2012, 06:38:49 PM
The quality of design and effort gone into D&D decks seemed to have dropped dramatically, atm they are just trying to abuse the sudden increase in playing card collectors


and spam out as many decks as they can and make as much money as they can before the bubble bursts.
Title: Re: new product from dan and dave
Post by: digipunk on February 13, 2012, 07:26:35 PM
@LauR, it's not their fault, everyone loves money.
Title: Re: new product from dan and dave
Post by: dmbaggs on February 13, 2012, 07:41:52 PM
@LauR, it's not their fault, everyone loves money.

HAHAH I see her point though. I think they are taking advantage of the growing community more than any other company. In the end it may just hurt their reputation. Most other companies haven't been as bad with the releases. Maybe T11 with the V2s but that's about it.
Title: Re: new product from dan and dave
Post by: NathanCanadas on February 13, 2012, 07:58:28 PM
@LauR, it's not their fault, everyone loves money.
Of course everyone loves money, but when you are as rich as them, you can step back for a second and think about it. Do you have to make complete crap in order to make money, or can you be reasonable. Think about it. It's not rocket science!
Title: Re: new product from dan and dave
Post by: digipunk on February 13, 2012, 08:37:13 PM
@brown_bagg and @Nathan, I might be the only one that loves them because I don't buy their decks. haha :P
Even thought I wanted to buy the Dragon Of The Year deck last month, I didn't because its name was changed to ChinaTown. Why should I like ChinaTown? ChinaTown is nothing to do with me. However, I like to watch people talk about their decks. Isn't it very interesting to see people crazy for the decks you don't want ;)
 
"everyone loves money" was sarcasm. But business is business, they are right in fact. The market is like a pie, the more producers there are, the more the pie is sliced up into thinner and thinner pieces. Of course they want to take a big bite of the market.
Title: Re: new product from dan and dave
Post by: jmrock on February 13, 2012, 11:03:09 PM
How are any of you judging how much money Dan & Dave have? The statements of their financial status reek of immaturity.  You have no idea how much money they have.  They are two guys trying to make a living like anyone else.  Those of you who are not yet earning a living for yourselves should not even begin to comment on anyone else's financial status.  I have heard they are nice guys, and I'm not the biggest fan of how they release or sell some of their decks (Tungstene), but they are doing what most of you would do in a heartbeat if given the opportunity... Earning a living selling playing cards?  What a dream come true!!!  They come off a little egocentric (Fulton especially), but that's just my opinion... I won't deny them that they are where they are due to a lot of hard work, a gimmicky twin brother magician/card conjurer thing, and maybe a little luck.  I remember seeing a video where they're in their car talking about Jerry's Nuggets that they bought for a couple of dollars per deck and how they were just going to rape the card collecting community and make a fortune, which I didn't think showed them in the best light... I collect their decks because, at this point in playing card history, I feel that they are definitely making a dent and some of their decks are nice compared to just about anything else that anyone is doing, so I try and pick up at least one of each of their releases... The fact of the matter is however many of you think they are phoning it in right now, should really take a look at many of the decks being produced these days... A lot of Garbage - A lot... And those of you on your high design horse who think you've reinvented the wheel and that your decks are revolutionary - think again, because most of them are Garbage too, and not only are they not going to be remembered, but they will serve no purpose in future playing card collections for years to come (you know who you are)... Enjoy the cards, & if you're not crazy about them, don't buy them... Most companies reach a peak, be happy that you were there with Dan & Dave at their peak, but who knows, maybe the peak is yet to come?  Anyhow... Keep enjoying your cards and I hope you all are able to secure the decks that you want... Peace... -J
Title: Re: new product from dan and dave
Post by: Masque on February 14, 2012, 01:46:55 AM
I think that I'll just wait until they've completed the Smoke and Mirrors series with v54, so that we can just get that variety deck.
Title: Re: new product from dan and dave
Post by: Don Boyer on February 14, 2012, 02:01:18 AM
How are any of you judging how much money Dan & Dave have? The statements of their financial status reek of immaturity.  You have no idea how much money they have.  They are two guys trying to make a living like anyone else.  Those of you who are not yet earning a living for yourselves should not even begin to comment on anyone else's financial status.  I have heard they are nice guys, and I'm not the biggest fan of how they release or sell some of their decks (Tungstene), but they are doing what most of you would do in a heartbeat if given the opportunity... Earning a living selling playing cards?  What a dream come true!!!  They come off a little egocentric (Fulton especially), but that's just my opinion... I won't deny them that they are where they are due to a lot of hard work, a gimmicky twin brother magician/card conjurer thing, and maybe a little luck.  I remember seeing a video where they're in their car talking about Jerry's Nuggets that they bought for a couple of dollars per deck and how they were just going to rape the card collecting community and make a fortune, which I didn't think showed them in the best light... I collect their decks because, at this point in playing card history, I feel that they are definitely making a dent and some of their decks are nice compared to just about anything else that anyone is doing, so I try and pick up at least one of each of their releases... The fact of the matter is however many of you think they are phoning it in right now, should really take a look at many of the decks being produced these days... A lot of Garbage - A lot... And those of you on your high design horse who think you've reinvented the wheel and that your decks are revolutionary - think again, because most of them are Garbage too, and not only are they not going to be remembered, but they will serve no purpose in future playing card collections for years to come (you know who you are)... Enjoy the cards, & if you're not crazy about them, don't buy them... Most companies reach a peak, be happy that you were there with Dan & Dave at their peak, but who knows, maybe the peak is yet to come?  Anyhow... Keep enjoying your cards and I hope you all are able to secure the decks that you want... Peace... -J

Hey, I understand that not every deck they make is crap.  I'm pretty fond of FCJ and the Vintage Plaids.  But they're cranking out an insane number of decks in a short time (eight releases since Halloween, five of which were their designs), some of which do indeed seem as though they phoned it in.  That's more releases than any three of the other "big design houses" (Ellusionist, Theory11, Blue Crown, David Blaine) released in the same time frame COMBINED.

The Chinatown deck has faces that are NEARLY IDENTICAL to the Vintage Plaids.  Take any Vintage Plain card but the AoS, strip away the yellowish background, swap yellow for non-metallic gold, and presto, you have the face of a Chinatown card, right down to the shade of red used on the red pips.  Smoke and Mirrors?  Great handling, but it's been the exact same design except for new colors since version 4!  A new color ISN'T a new version, it's just a new color.  They used to remember that back when they released the first three Smoke and Mirrors decks.  And the Vintage Plaid backs that I like?  The back designs came straight out of the Bicycle archives, where they were known as the Arizona Plaid deck and the California Plaid deck.  The least they could have done was call a spade a spade and give them the Bicycle brand name...

I personally don't care how much money they made, are making or will make.  And I do work for a living - I'm at work now, at 2 in the morning, East Coast time.  What I do care about is lazy work being pushed off as "version x" or a new design.  I care about designs that are so completely cribbed from another deck, it's practically a form of plaigarism.  I care about them pushing so much of this lazy work on the market so fast that small card designers are feeling squeezed.  People will buy version 7 Smoke & Mirrors decks until they're coming out of their ears, even if it's only a color change to black/"carbon fiber" - but what happens to little guys like the Curator deck, AetherCards, Encarded, etc.?

If every single deck they released in the past year or two was wholly original, well-designed and well-made, I would be thrilled.  But they aren't.  So I'm not.  Neither are a lot of people here.  The same people who used to buy their stuff by the brick are now buying a few decks or none at all.  Throwing load after load of crap at the wall and seeing what sticks isn't the apex of playing card design nor is it the crowning achievement of a playing card company.  They're rushing back to Smoke and Mirrors because after all these post-S&Mv6 releases, still in stock weeks after they were released, people are starting to think they jumped the shark.  The only exceptions would be the decks they released but DIDN'T design: Tungstene, Jerry's Nugget in red and blue and Ohio Arrcos in red and blue.  And I'm not counting ANY of the stuff they're carrying from T11 or from USPC directly.
Title: Re: new product from dan and dave
Post by: chdmagicdude on February 14, 2012, 01:07:30 PM
can i have a link to were the count down is at?
Title: Re: new product from dan and dave
Post by: NathanCanadas on February 14, 2012, 01:50:21 PM
can i have a link to were the count down is at?
ON their shop:
http://shop.dananddave.com/
Title: Re: new product from dan and dave
Post by: chdmagicdude on February 14, 2012, 01:53:13 PM
@nathancanadas thank you.
Title: Re: new product from dan and dave
Post by: dmbaggs on February 14, 2012, 03:34:36 PM
Oh, they have a countdown! That's pretty official haha  ::) In all seriousness though, that could mean something pretty cool. They haven't had a countdown since Fantastique if I'm not mistaken?
Title: Re: new product from dan and dave
Post by: NathanCanadas on February 14, 2012, 06:52:44 PM
It would be so fun if this were another flourishing DVD!
Title: Re: new product from dan and dave
Post by: eggman on February 14, 2012, 08:06:25 PM
I still really enjoy there cards and will probably be one of the guys sitting in front of my computer as the count down ends. The problem for me is that the cards (if it is need cards) lose some by having these constant releases. It does have its positive sides. Having the cards not selling out in five minutes makes in much easier to order more. Once the China town decks were released and I talked to some people I know in China they requested I pick up a # for them. The people I talked to in China were very impressed an American company would release specialty playing cards for there new year. It was nice to be able to go back to DandD instead of having to buy them from the resellers on Ebay. I guess whatever DandD is thinking these releases are still working out for them. If it was not finacially benfecial to them I am sure it would not be still going on. I do not even know if any of the decks ie plaid, fantastique, fultons or china town have sold out yet. I purchased at least a few of each and like each one. It is a little bit of a financial drain when they keep doing this. One thing I like what they do is being a little mysterious about the amount they produce of each deck when they release them.
Title: Re: new product from dan and dave
Post by: Don Boyer on February 15, 2012, 01:03:26 AM
I still really enjoy there cards and will probably be one of the guys sitting in front of my computer as the count down ends. The problem for me is that the cards (if it is need cards) lose some by having these constant releases. It does have its positive sides. Having the cards not selling out in five minutes makes in much easier to order more. Once the China town decks were released and I talked to some people I know in China they requested I pick up a # for them. The people I talked to in China were very impressed an American company would release specialty playing cards for there new year. It was nice to be able to go back to DandD instead of having to buy them from the resellers on Ebay. I guess whatever DandD is thinking these releases are still working out for them. If it was not finacially benfecial to them I am sure it would not be still going on. I do not even know if any of the decks ie plaid, fantastique, fultons or china town have sold out yet. I purchased at least a few of each and like each one. It is a little bit of a financial drain when they keep doing this. One thing I like what they do is being a little mysterious about the amount they produce of each deck when they release them.


Fantastique has been sold out for a little while.  You can get it from them by buying an uncut sheet, but that's it.  The rest are still in stock.
Title: Re: new product from dan and dave
Post by: dmbaggs on February 17, 2012, 11:01:40 PM
So it looks like the new product is the variety box v6 and now they have stud decks...

Here's the link to the Studs... http://shop.dananddave.com/stud-playing-cards.html (http://shop.dananddave.com/stud-playing-cards.html)

and

Here's the link to the Variety Box V6.... http://shop.dananddave.com/variety-box.html (http://shop.dananddave.com/variety-box.html)
The variety box has...

If an Octopus Could Palm
Tungstene
Smoke & Mirrors: v6
Fantastique
Fulton's Clip Joint
BeeĀ® Acorn Back: Green
Arrco (Cincinnati)
Aladdin (Cincinati)
Ask Alexander
Monarchs
Bee RJs
Vintage Plaid

EDIT: There were also 4 other releases... Solo, Triumph v136, reflections, and riffle action palm.
Title: Re: new product from dan and dave
Post by: Jin Jian on February 17, 2012, 11:28:37 PM
So it looks like the new product is the variety box v6 and now they have stud decks...

Here's the link to the Studs... http://shop.dananddave.com/stud-playing-cards.html (http://shop.dananddave.com/stud-playing-cards.html)

and

Here's the link to the Variety Box V6.... http://shop.dananddave.com/variety-box.html (http://shop.dananddave.com/variety-box.html)
The variety box has...

If an Octopus Could Palm
Tungstene
Smoke & Mirrors: v6
Fantastique
Fulton's Clip Joint
BeeĀ® Acorn Back: Green
Arrco (Cincinnati)
Aladdin (Cincinati)
Ask Alexander
Monarchs
Bee RJs
Vintage Plaid

EDIT: There were also 4 other releases... Solo, Triumph v136, reflections, and riffle action palm.
i was going to post it but you beat me !! .. so who is going to buy it ?? i feel like buying it but not enough money ..
Title: Re: new product from dan and dave
Post by: K on February 18, 2012, 01:23:37 AM
Hmm, doesn't look really attractive.. though the IAOCP and Tungstene can cover up the costs, shipping prices are expensive plus the other decks are not really that attractive..
Title: Re: new product from dan and dave
Post by: xela on February 18, 2012, 01:27:01 AM
Not sure why people would buy Studs if you live in the US. They're not the old ones, and you can just buy them over at any Walgreens with no shipping costs.
Title: Re: new product from dan and dave
Post by: Don Boyer on February 18, 2012, 01:59:03 AM
Not sure why people would buy Studs if you live in the US. They're not the old ones, and you can just buy them over at any Walgreens with no shipping costs.

Hear, hear!  I pay less for them at my local Walgreen's, even after sales tax.  It's nuts for them to charge that price plus shipping and expect to move them, especially since the real target market, people out of the country who don't have Walgreen's near them, frequently object to their high shipping costs.

And as far as the V6 Variety Box - I have all but two of them already, and of the two I have no desire to own one of them.  I'm not buying a brick to get a single deck.  The D&D Variety Boxes have truly jumped the shark by now.  The best ones they had were the first two and the Vintage Edition for the holidays.
Title: Re: new product from dan and dave
Post by: Aaron on February 18, 2012, 02:03:57 AM
I might grab like 3 of each colour of Studs just because I have never owned any and I am a Canadaian so I cant get them in stores. :)


EDIT: Nevermind me getting any. There is NO WAY I am paying $16 to ship 6 decks! >:( >:( I can ship up to a brick for $15 from E! :)
Title: Re: new product from dan and dave
Post by: jmrock on February 18, 2012, 03:14:25 AM
Boyer... Impressed that you know the correct spelling of Hear, Hear...

Also, I'm so glad that I spent the last two months securing the Tungstene, as well as some others in the box... Gotta love D&D's sales methods... 150 people will buy this common stock just to get the Tungstene and the IAOCP... I actually considered it (residual impulse) before I came back to reality... If you don't have anything in the box, then it's a great deal...
Title: Re: new product from dan and dave
Post by: shutupdangit on February 18, 2012, 04:03:17 AM
It's pretty much the same decks every time, I wish they would mix it up a little more. I snatched up a VB v4 since it had IAOCP, Tungstene and an S&M v3, all decks I didn't own at the time, but every box since then has been the same.
Title: Re: new product from dan and dave
Post by: dmbaggs on February 18, 2012, 04:14:26 AM
Honestly these VBs are great for collectors. What are the chances that you are going to not have any of the 12 usually only 1 or 2 of the decks you won't already have. For that reason we are looking at the VBs as not great. If you are a new collector though, and there are many now-a-days, this is an awesome deal (usually). You get twelve decks that you probably don't have at a reasonable deal and it comes in a nifty little brick box! I think that is awesome.

So sure for many of us it's not the ideal purchase but really with all the new collectors and the growth in the community these really are great products.
Title: Re: new product from dan and dave
Post by: Don Boyer on February 18, 2012, 04:46:40 AM
Boyer... Impressed that you know the correct spelling of Hear, Hear...


Thanks.  Get old enough to fart dust and you learn a few things...  :))

I'm still scratching my head over the Studs.  Not only the fact that they're selling them, but that there's been a few Studs here and there in the Variety Boxes.  They're one of the few decks cheaper than Bikes that are worth using to any degree, and you're going to drop them in a box of what's supposed to be the creme de la creme of the modern card age?  Then there was the visual bait-and-switch they pulled - we had someone here buy the box thinking he was getting the old Studs as pictured in the photos, and instead he got the new ones, which is what was written on the inventory list.

It just doesn't make sense to me.

BTW who here remembers that guy who was trying to sell one of the older Variety Boxes that had a more random assortment of decks - and he REFUSED to list the decks for some cockamamie reason about being true to Dan and Dave or some such crap...  He was really a hoot!
Title: Re: new product from dan and dave
Post by: hazofhorsham on February 18, 2012, 06:40:09 PM
I remember that guy, ebay seller rearangpow or something :L
Title: Re: new product from dan and dave
Post by: hazofhorsham on February 18, 2012, 07:45:52 PM
Also just thought I would mention, although I collect cards - I stay away from D&D. I go for sets like I have all the BBM decks, most of the theory11, all E apart from BGE1 and gold arcane. Don't get me wrong I love Dan and Dave and think they are awesome but I dont like they're decks or how they operate, the hand lotion? Worthless but with their name $25... Cool huh? And the cards are nice but I mean the Smoke and Mirrors were over done, then  V4, V5, V6 were the same deck but different colours... and the price they warrant is too high for that kinda deck - just a coloured reprint. Also their international shipping is a killer. Maybe I will come to collect their decks but for now I refuse to... Thoughts?
Title: Re: new product from dan and dave
Post by: dmbaggs on February 18, 2012, 07:48:39 PM
Also just thought I would mention, although I collect cards - I stay away from D&D. I go for sets like I have all the BBM decks, most of the theory11, all E apart from BGE1 and gold arcane. Don't get me wrong I love Dan and Dave and think they are awesome but I dont like they're decks or how they operate, the hand lotion? Worthless but with their name $25... Cool huh? And the cards are nice but I mean the Smoke and Mirrors were over done, then  V4, V5, V6 were the same deck but different colours... and the price they warrant is too high for that kinda deck - just a coloured reprint. Also their international shipping is a killer. Maybe I will come to collect their decks but for now I refuse to... Thoughts?

I think that's totally reasonable! I can see where you are coming from on all your points. I still tend to collect there deck because many of them I love the art on (Fantastique for example). I think if I was not living in the states I would also shy away from D&D because of the shipping. You make some very valid points my friend.
Title: Re: new product from dan and dave
Post by: Jin Jian on February 18, 2012, 11:33:33 PM
Also just thought I would mention, although I collect cards - I stay away from D&D. I go for sets like I have all the BBM decks, most of the theory11, all E apart from BGE1 and gold arcane. Don't get me wrong I love Dan and Dave and think they are awesome but I dont like they're decks or how they operate, the hand lotion? Worthless but with their name $25... Cool huh? And the cards are nice but I mean the Smoke and Mirrors were over done, then  V4, V5, V6 were the same deck but different colours... and the price they warrant is too high for that kinda deck - just a coloured reprint. Also their international shipping is a killer. Maybe I will come to collect their decks but for now I refuse to... Thoughts?
i agree .. i buy deck from theory 11 and thebluecrown other web but i dun really buy from dan and dave .. the way they release deck is getting more and more crazy .. every new deck after a few more month and the deck are mostly the same .. and for the variety box is the same .. i really like the variety box v1 and v2 but after that the other variety box are all crap
Title: Re: new product from dan and dave
Post by: Siegismyname on February 19, 2012, 12:14:08 AM
I think this vbox is really worth the money. Considering that I really want the IAOCP deck and the tunstene and I do not have all but the FCJ, V6 and the aladdins. I reckon maybe D&D are doing the R&D for USPCC, thats why they come out with so many different decks with just minute differences.
Title: Re: new product from dan and dave
Post by: Don Boyer on February 19, 2012, 01:28:05 AM
I think this vbox is really worth the money. Considering that I really want the IAOCP deck and the tunstene and I do not have all but the FCJ, V6 and the aladdins. I reckon maybe D&D are doing the R&D for USPCC, thats why they come out with so many different decks with just minute differences.

I thought USPC R&D was T11's new job?  :))

Seriously, though, and I said this in the topic on the v6 VB, it's lame that people are being asked to buy a dozen decks when there's only one or two (three if you're lucky) that you actually want.  It's become more of a prestige thing by now to own a VB, since D&D can't be making barrels of money on something with such a limited release.  But the amount of prestige is getting watered down with each new release.
Title: Re: new product from dan and dave
Post by: dmbaggs on February 19, 2012, 01:39:35 AM
I think this vbox is really worth the money. Considering that I really want the IAOCP deck and the tunstene and I do not have all but the FCJ, V6 and the aladdins. I reckon maybe D&D are doing the R&D for USPCC, thats why they come out with so many different decks with just minute differences.

I thought USPC R&D was T11's new job?  :))

Seriously, though, and I said this in the topic on the v6 VB, it's lame that people are being asked to buy a dozen decks when there's only one or two (three if you're lucky) that you actually want.  It's become more of a prestige thing by now to own a VB, since D&D can't be making barrels of money on something with such a limited release.  But the amount of prestige is getting watered down with each new release.

Okay I won't post the same thing in this forum since it will be pointless. Don don't get mad at JimmyJohns for posting one thing twice so that people will see it and then go do it yourself.

I agree with your first point though, isn't T11 the one with the USPCC connection :P
Title: Re: new product from dan and dave
Post by: Don Boyer on February 19, 2012, 02:20:12 AM

Okay I won't post the same thing in this forum since it will be pointless. Don don't get mad at JimmyJohns for posting one thing twice so that people will see it and then go do it yourself.

I agree with your first point though, isn't T11 the one with the USPCC connection :P

Well, what was said there and here weren't exactly the same.  His post was word-for-word identical, except posting on one page he'd post to the other.

D&D don't really have the same relationship with USPC that T11 has, but I get the feeling that Sieg wasn't terribly serious when he wrote what he did.  But on the topic of T11 (warning - tangent ahead), would it surprise anyone if eventually USPC bought T11?  It's always been the company's style to buy out most of the rest of the market...
Title: Re: new product from dan and dave
Post by: jmrock on February 19, 2012, 02:35:38 AM
Don, Deep breaths... Relax... Take a valium... It's just a forum.... uh-oh, don't come after me now, I was just kidding (somewhat)... hahaha...
Title: Re: new product from dan and dave
Post by: Don Boyer on February 19, 2012, 02:53:41 AM
Don, Deep breaths... Relax... Take a valium... It's just a forum.... uh-oh, don't come after me now, I was just kidding (somewhat)... hahaha...

Hey, I'm very chill right now.  Quiet night at work, getting ready to bust out my box of decks and play a little solitaire, perhaps crack open a magic book and learn a few new moves...  It's all good!

I'm much slower to blow my top than I was before - and even then it took a lot.  Forum posts just wouldn't do it.  Well, except for that kid who kept complaining about people not taking PayPal!

But back to the topic at hand.  So, we've got the new VB with a somewhat-stale selection of decks, Studs (one of the cheapest but still decent USPC decks on the market) for sale, and a handful of tricks, at least one of which I've seen selling elsewhere.  How did this warrant the whole countdown nonsense?

The only thing I'm thankful for is that they didn't release a new deck of their own.  The flood waters appear to finally be receding!
Title: Re: new product from dan and dave
Post by: dmbaggs on February 19, 2012, 02:57:02 AM
Well it's essentially the same thing.

Well any release warrants a countdown. It's how they promote their products. All in all it really wasn't anything special, but it's what a business has to do.
Title: Re: new product from dan and dave
Post by: Siegismyname on February 19, 2012, 03:04:23 AM
They wrote on their facebook that "This cool countdown for new product releases means no more confusion across the different time zones. See it live at http://shop.dananddave.com/". So maybe they were just introducing/trying out the new countdown.

Okay I won't post the same thing in this forum since it will be pointless. Don don't get mad at JimmyJohns for posting one thing twice so that people will see it and then go do it yourself.

I agree with your first point though, isn't T11 the one with the USPCC connection :P

Well, what was said there and here weren't exactly the same.  His post was word-for-word identical, except posting on one page he'd post to the other.

D&D don't really have the same relationship with USPC that T11 has, but I get the feeling that Sieg wasn't terribly serious when he wrote what he did.  But on the topic of T11 (warning - tangent ahead), would it surprise anyone if eventually USPC bought T11?  It's always been the company's style to buy out most of the rest of the market...
def wasnt serious, just a thought because they are releasing so many new decks. And I sure hope USPCC doesn't buy t11. That would destroy whatever t11 started out for. btw why is there no more expose and insider from t11? I kinda miss Christen Gerhart :(
Title: Re: new product from dan and dave
Post by: Don Boyer on February 19, 2012, 05:11:23 AM
def wasnt serious, just a thought because they are releasing so many new decks. And I sure hope USPCC doesn't buy t11. That would destroy whatever t11 started out for. btw why is there no more expose and insider from t11? I kinda miss Christen Gerhart :(

Or...what if USPC were to buy them to inject new life into the creative department?

This should be in a new thread.  Making one now.