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Playing Card Chat ♠ ♥ ♣ ♦ => Playing Card Plethora => Topic started by: NathanCanadas on May 18, 2012, 02:23:07 PM
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According to Andrei Jikh (what he said on today's exposé), T11 will release a deck before the Rebel playing cards. These will be "white-backed and infused with gold" and "will be printed in very very very limited quantities" so "get them while they last". Doesn't this remind you of anything (cough cough Gold Monarchs).
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well, I just watched the video... you can jump to 5:10 to hear him talk about it
He does say it starts with "mon".. and end with "arch"
Are they just releasing the decks with the gold backs??
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ya it sounds like they are just going to print the monarch with white and gold. ill do my best to pic up as many as possible, but considering how much i dislike t11 lately i probably wont try to terribly hard to get these.
however, i do appreciate them coming out from the get go and saying they will be extremely limited. Unlike the last monarch release when they were like, "well guys, we F'ed up so heres 100 some decks..."
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No, the "Monarch" thing was a joke. He also showed the monarch AoS. That was just a joke and you saw him laughing. It's another deck, unless it, too, is a joke.
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ya i dont think he was joking at all. i think he was laughing cause he was doing it in a goofy way.
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if they are releasing the gold back i feel kinda sad for those who pay hundred of dollar buying the golden back monarchs .. anyway does anyone has any more info ?? i hope to purchase a couple of those deck since they are very very limited
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if they are releasing the gold back i feel kinda sad for those who pay hundred of dollar buying the golden back monarchs .. anyway does anyone has any more info ?? i hope to purchase a couple of those deck since they are very very limited
Like it was stated 100 times above, the back will be white and gold, not like the first gold monarchs.
Also, if people had more info that they could share, I'm sure they would.
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I would be very disappointed if this really is just another small print gold monarchs with a tiny change in the back. I don't like these sort of marketing tactics TBH. I know people are going to get in my face for saying this, but, hey, freedom of speech guys! ;)
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Weren't the pre-released Monarchs also white and gold? Well, the border's anyway.I have a feeling the gold and white Monarchs are going to cause the same craze as the White Centurions. When, if anyone knows, were those released to sale at a regular, leveled price?
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Weren't the pre-released Monarchs also white and gold? Well, the border's anyway.I have a feeling the gold and white Monarchs are going to cause the same craze as the White Centurions. When, if anyone knows, were those released to sale at a regular, leveled price?
When White Centurions were originally sold from T11, they were $4.95
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Weren't the pre-released Monarchs also white and gold? Well, the border's anyway.I have a feeling the gold and white Monarchs are going to cause the same craze as the White Centurions. When, if anyone knows, were those released to sale at a regular, leveled price?
When White Centurions were originally sold from T11, they were $4.95
Yah, I know that, but when were they released?
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Anyone... Link to video please? Thanks, J.
Edit: Found it... Thanks... The girl in the video is quite attractive... She should gargle with salt water... Fixes a sore throat every time... I have to tell you, I hope I'm by my CPU when they announce the release of the 'White Monarchs' (Is it safe to say that they're releasing White Monarchs?) Trying to grab some of these decks with the rest of you animals out for them could pose quite difficult... I must say... pretty excited about this release and the Rebel Deck... T11 rules... as for all you who always have something to say about them, don't buy the White Monarchs, okay? Leave them to the devoted T11 fans... Thanks, J.
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Anyone... Link to video please? Thanks, J.
Here: theory11 Expose - Transcoded!
http://media.theory11.com/6681-Expos-----Transcoded-
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I'm fairly sure that this will be a monarch deck with the navy blue back being changed to a white colour and all the writing and snake patterns will be a gold ink. This would look really awesome.
But I really hope the rebels won't be limited
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It's hard to see but the box looks the same.
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It's hard to see but the box looks the same.
How the hell can you tell? I can't even tell if it's a tuck box or the back of a chair behind a desk!
All I know is that I'm pretty busted at the moment. If it's a short, limited run, meh. If it's not, I'll get them in time. Same for the Rebels.
Hey, Nathan! Mind changing the title of the thread since we have some idea of what this is now? It's too easy to confuse this with a thread on the Rebels.
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I don't know about you guys, but I can acutually see a lighter deck. It does look quite different. I can't wait! :D
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I can clearly see the same snakes design and a border. So these will most likely be a variation of the Monarchs with white and gold and other colors.
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I don't know about you guys, but I can acutually see a lighter deck. It does look quite different. I can't wait! :D
I can clearly see the same snakes design and a border. So these will most likely be a variation of the Monarchs with white and gold and other colors.
Well, then I think you guys are smoking the REALLY good stuff! It's almost entirely in darkness, shot with a light source behind the subject! I see a line, a curve, not much else. I couldn't even swear it was poker-sized! It's got more in common with a Rorschach test than a pack of cards!
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Think about it, theory11 will most likely not release a new box to go with the white version. Maybe a very slight variation on the box stating 'white edition' or something like that.
But nothing major.
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Click the picture you silly geese... When you look at it enlarged, it's the Monarch Box... Lighten the pic slightly and you can really tell...
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Click the picture you silly geese... When you look at it enlarged, it's the Monarch Box... Lighten the pic slightly and you can really tell...
I'll have to look on my own computer at home. Can't fiddle much with the work 'puter.
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I don't know about you guys, but I can acutually see a lighter deck. It does look quite different. I can't wait! :D
I can clearly see the same snakes design and a border. So these will most likely be a variation of the Monarchs with white and gold and other colors.
Well, then I think you guys are smoking the REALLY good stuff! It's almost entirely in darkness, shot with a light source behind the subject! I see a line, a curve, not much else. I couldn't even swear it was poker-sized! It's got more in common with a Rorschach test than a pack of cards!
I think its either your computer or your eyes because I can clearly see that it is a tuck box with what looks to be the Monarchs design.
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I know! - I can see the Monarch design too! - I'm not saying the design is something different. My eyes are fine, thanks.
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Hey now, my meds make my vision a little blurry, but it's not THAT bad! I'm still 20/20!
I figured it out. To reduce eyestrain, I adjusted the monitor at my desk to be a bit darker than usual. As I drove up the brightness, I could see the back of the Monarch box become clear.
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(http://distilleryimage5.instagram.com/ca83b50ea62311e1a39b1231381b7ba1_7.jpg)
“At 11:00pm EST, a limited release window of Monarch White Edition Playing Cards! Want?”
ANOTHER LIMITED REALEASE? I think it is much better compared to the old monarch.
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The deck looks sick! It looks much cleaner in my opinion. - When will it be released?
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The deck looks sick! It looks much cleaner in my opinion. - When will it be released?
At 11:00pm EST this friday.
Shit! this looks damn good! wonder what the backs look like.
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Okay! I was just unure about the day. I'll be sure to make this one!
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Ohhh SNAP! Those are really nice! Although I wont be able to make the release :( Can anyone pick me up 2?
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Ohhh SNAP! Those are really nice! Although I wont be able to make the release :( Can anyone pick me up 2?
just buy on the next release. i dont think there will be another gold monarch
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I seem to really like white decks... White monarchs look so nice compared to the dark blu/black one.
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I seem to really like white decks... White monarchs look so nice compared to the dark blu/black one.
I agree! They look way more elegant... Hope I can get my hands on some of these. How "limited" are they? hope they're a print of 2500 at least...
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only 250 will be released!!!!!
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Guys, is this just a 250 deck pre-release?
Because theory11 say that this is the first release and they say there will be another.
So this may just be a quick presale before they release the others.
I really hope that these aren't limited.
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only 250 will be released!!!!!
250 just the pre-release. there will be another release for the rest of the deck
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Sweet, but it's limited. Two chances people!
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I have an LTD with someone's name on it who is able to pick me up 4 tonight.
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I wonder if Theory 11 will put a limit on how many a decks a person can purchase? That would be nice if they limited people to only 1 or 2 decks. That way more of us could get some. Im sure that wont be the case though.
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I have a deck of Black Stingers for whoever wants to pick me up 4, and a deck of Black Crowns for whoever wants to pick me up 2.
Also, this topic already exists. It'd be nice of Mods could merge them:
http://aethercards.com/discourse/index.php?topic=2557.msg47365#msg47365
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UPDATE
You can actually hear more about the release in this video, just skip to the 8 minute mark
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZgjqihDe8o&feature=player_embedded
So, he compares them to the White Centurions release.
They will only be released in windows of 250 decks, and he only mentions the 2 releases.
Time to get the credit card ready
CBJ
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That video really cleared this all up. I'm not a fan of the regular monarchs but these really look so elegant. I won't be able to make it to the release today though :(
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Can anyone confirm that this T11 code works??? it it a one time use???
15% off -- T11H3BA
I don't want to be doing the transaction, and then an error comes of for a wrong code.. lose precious seconds lol
CBJ
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CBJ, yes, the code does work. At least it did for me a couple weeks ago. 15% off.
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Another update
"$6.95. We never increase price due to rarity as we don't believe that is fair to you guys."
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Does any one know what the backs will be like? I mean will they be white as well?
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As far as I know they will be white as well. I think that was mentioned at the first hint of the WM
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I like theory11's marketing idea. It's a mix of the White Centurions release with the rarity and the identical colors and also of the White Lion release with a couple of release windows. I hope to pick some up!
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Anyone knows the time it will be in Singapore for the release?
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Anyone knows the time it will be in Singapore for the release?
Google it! It's not that hard.
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Let's try to find the link early to better our chances of getting these!
Please help, and if you find the link, post it here first. :)
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I am a little confused with the daylight savings, is it in 10 mins?
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I am a little confused with the daylight savings, is it in 10 mins?
Yes. Well actually 7 now
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Is the website already crashing for anyone else?
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Nobody has any links yet? Yeah it's crashing!
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Limit 2 per person, good for a change!
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I got to where I could add them to my cart and it just keeps crashing.
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well that went poorly. :)
I wasn't even planning on bothering but happened to be online, but it killed their server. Oh well.
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$6.95per deck
Release limited to 2 decks per order.
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Wheres the link?
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502 Bad Gateway!
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I have 2 in my cart and can't get to checkout!
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dammit .. sever crash .. anyone has the link ?
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http://www.theory11.com/playingcards/white-monarch-playing-cards here is the link ... but 500 internal server error
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I can't even get them into the cart!
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I got 2 deck on my cart but cannot checkout , always internal error
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Their Facebook says to keep trying, down temporarily.
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Are there any updates on any other social media sites?
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theory11
Our servers are temporarily down! Hold tight and keep refreshing - we'll be back up and running soon!
they wrote that on their facebook page
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Thing is, I can't add it to cart. Can anyone help? - And why tell everyone to keep refreshing? That's just going to make it worse.
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Twice i've gotten some in a cart and then it crashed!
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Its an amusing game at this point. I've been able to bring up the product page about 4 times but clicking Add to cart does nothing, and then it bombs out. Having run websites and servers for years, it's interesting to see them die (when it's not your server of course)
BTW only 241 Tendril are currently in my store! And my servers are fine! Go get em! ::)
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Thing is, I can't add it to cart. Can anyone help? - And why tell everyone to keep refreshing? That's just going to make it worse.
this is about sharing .. it alrite .. let hope everyone at the discourse are able to get 1 or 2 ..
Its an amusing game at this point. I've been able to bring up the product page about 4 times but clicking Add to cart does nothing, and then it bombs out. Having run websites and servers for years, it's interesting to see them die (when it's not your server of course)
me too .. i am spamming at the 'add to cart' button but unable to add them to my cart
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This is getting very frustrating, I'm about to throw in the towel on this so I can go out with friends who are waiting on me -_-
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Still cannot checkout , item already add on cart but cannot checkout , server still crash :bosswalk:
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Still cannot checkout , item already add on cart but cannot checkout , server still crash :bosswalk:
same here.....
hahahahahaha !!!
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Still cannot checkout , item already add on cart but cannot checkout , server still crash :bosswalk:
same here.....
hahahahahaha !!!
aha , Finally you come here too baby >:(
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How about you all stop trying for a while, then I can check out, and then you can go ahead. We all take turns.
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The checkout server's probably the worst! I think we're going single file.
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I have to go because my coworkers are waiting on me...If anyone could pick me up another order of 2 I will love you eternally and pay you back+and than some. Can't believe after 30 minutes still nothing.
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Finally I can get it into the chart, but then server error again
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Has anyone even got through checkout?
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i get them into my cart .. but then the sever crash .. btw does anyone know how much is shipping for 2 white monarchs to singapore ?
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I'm even having trouble with their damn twitter!
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SOLD OUT!!! HOW????
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:D
GOT 2! YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! :D
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Well everyone go to bed, they postponed the damn release until week and will be releasing 500 then!
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:D
GOT 2! YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! :D
It's not a good idea to gloat right now!
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Yeah! Twice the traffic next week!!!
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Due to the INCREDIBLE demand, we'll be postponing the release til next week - double or nothing. That's right, we'll be releasing 500 decks next week. Anyone who got through tonight, consider yourself lucky
they posted at their facebook page
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I dont thing how can sold out even all cannot check out :(
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Wow, a whole 500 decks! I'm sure they printed at least 2500 of these and they are only releasing 500!
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:D
GOT 2! YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! :D
It's not a good idea to gloat right now!
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woke up in 5AM, i am allowed to. but yea... i agree.
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How? - I can't even get to the checkout!
Everyone can probably hustle over to Dan and Dave now to get their Arccos!
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I dont thing how can sold out even all cannot check out :(
They didn't sell out, they just stopped selling them.
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theory 11 posted this at their facebook page
theory11
You guys sure came out in numbers tonight! We boosted our severs WAY up for this, but there was even more traffic than expected. Some of you were able to place orders, and you will still receive those decks. For everyone else, the release is being postponed until Friday when we will have 500 decks available. We don't want to make you wait around while our server is still down for the count. Check back Friday for another chance
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They should just give us an email to email our information to. Once they've been emailed, they'll wait until the herd dies down, and then emails us back to ask us for a form of payment. By that way, they know directly who got it first, and we don't have everyone rushing in on one site.
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:D
GOT 2! YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! :D
I take it back, it's time for me to gloat now! :D
I had 2 decks in my cart and even though they stopped selling them and the site crashed I was still able to check out just now! Super happy!! Too bad I ended up getting blocked by Theory11 on Twitter now. I already got blocked by them on Facebook before, thanks to the Gold Monarchs, and even was even mentioned in their Youtube video because of it. Oh well, I got my order and i'm happy and relieved. Btw, the discount code works and speaking of which I also got Transcode which looks cool. :D 8)
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@vmagic - Can you link me to the video which they announced your blockage?
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Hey guys, don't hate me for this post...But it must be done! Anyway, I had the same problem you all did, 505 and 502 errors...They sold out and I was out of luck with the pre-release...Anyway, later I go into T11 website and find 2 White Monarchs in my cart after trying to click the damn button forever with no avail...So I try to check out...It processes for like 42 minutes so I refresh, this time it goes through but last second of processing (after they were "sold out") I stop the loading because I forgot to put in the discount code! So the site flashes for a brief second and then I put the code in and process...It goes through! So I check my email and I have 2 Confirmation emails! One with 2 White Monarchs without a discount code and another confirmation email WITH the discount code! Long story short (too late I suppose, lol) I bought 4 White Monarchs AFTER they were "Sold Out"!!!! Now THAT is luck my friends! :) I will be at the Friday release also! Good luck to all who did not get any and also try to check your cart!!!
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I set my alarm for 4am this morning to get up and buy these decks. I'd be happy with 2. 1 to keep and 1 to open.
Why are people placing multiple orders just so they have loads of them.. Anyway... I slept right through my alarm! Woke up about 6 this morning and thought damn it, only to find that there servers crashed!
Guess my luck was in. I'll get another shot next week, if I can wake up.
If anyone fancies selling me a couple of decks I'm happy to pay $15 a deck for your trouble. We still do that right, help out other collectors? Oh no. I see a deck on eBay listed 6 hours ago already going for $51!!
They should release the whole lot in 1 go an give everyone a chance to own one. It might put a little less strain on there obviously inferior servers!!
All good fun these ltd deck releases. Some people win & some people lose.
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@vmagic - Can you link me to the video which they announced your blockage?
Sorry I don't have the video and it was from quite some time ago. Anyway, they don't mention me by name or anything, they just talk about how crazy things were with the Gold Monarchs and how they even had to block someone one Facebook (that being me!).
Hey guys, don't hate me for this post...But it must be done! Anyway, I had the same problem you all did, 505 and 502 errors...They sold out and I was out of luck with the pre-release...Anyway, later I go into T11 website and find 2 White Monarchs in my cart after trying to click the damn button forever with no avail...So I try to check out...It processes for like 42 minutes so I refresh, this time it goes through but last second of processing (after they were "sold out") I stop the loading because I forgot to put in the discount code! So the site flashes for a brief second and then I put the code in and process...It goes through! So I check my email and I have 2 Confirmation emails! One with 2 White Monarchs without a discount code and another confirmation email WITH the discount code! Long story short (too late I suppose, lol) I bought 4 White Monarchs AFTER they were "Sold Out"!!!! Now THAT is luck my friends! :) I will be at the Friday release also! Good luck to all who did not get any and also try to check your cart!!!
One person on unitedcardists claims to have placed 5 separate orders, most of us were lucky to have placed 1 so I don't see how it was possible he placed 5, wasn't even charged shipping for any of them. I spent almost 2 hours waiting and refreshing and trying again and again to get through the checkout, i'm glad it paid off.
Also, technically they didn't sell out, they just put that up so nobody else could buy any because of all their site issues.
I set my alarm for 4am this morning to get up and buy these decks. I'd be happy with 2. 1 to keep and 1 to open.
Why are people placing multiple orders just so they have loads of them.. Anyway... I slept right through my alarm! Woke up about 6 this morning and thought damn it, only to find that there servers crashed!
Guess my luck was in. I'll get another shot next week, if I can wake up.
If anyone fancies selling me a couple of decks I'm happy to pay $15 a deck for your trouble. We still do that right, help out other collectors? Oh no. I see a deck on eBay listed 6 hours ago already going for $51!!
They should release the whole lot in 1 go an give everyone a chance to own one. It might put a little less strain on there obviously inferior servers!!
All good fun these ltd deck releases. Some people win & some people lose.
Unfortunately some people place multiple orders (which screws everyone else up in the process) and/or buy bricks at a time, just so they can resell on Ebay and profit, they don't give a damn about the cards as far as i'm concerned just the money.
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I must give credit though to Theory11 for doing something Ellusionist failed to do before and that was postpone the sale of the cards. If you recall previously when Ellusionist sold the Red Artifice they had similar site issues but instead of postponing the sale like everyone asked them to, they continued to sell the decks through the night at a snails pace, some got lucky, many of us got screwed. So at least Theory11 did that much right.
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in case you guys are wondering .. this is the auction he is talking about
http://www.ebay.com/itm/White-Monarchs-Playing-Cards-RARE-Bicycle-Theory11-/160809364294?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2570fc2b46
this is also another auction on the white monarchs that is on ebay... what is crazy is he has more than 10 available
http://www.ebay.com/itm/White-Monarch-Deck-Theory11-Monarchs-/270985353568?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f17fc5960
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$100 each and he got 10 of them? I wonder if this is zinkpro from unitedcardists who somehow placed 5 orders! Whoever it is, I hope they get screwed and only receive 2 decks in the mail!
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Here's another one... opening at $150.. buy it now.. $300
http://www.ebay.com/itm/280888599227?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649
After a few hours??? really???
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This is ridiculous. We have to stop here. Theory11 are following Dan and Dave's path. Getting out a deck as a pre-release with only 144 available (gold monarchs), having it sold out very rapidly, so the second time around (white monarchs) they can get much more demand. These decks are beautiful, but it's ridiculous to also have to mark it as "very limited" for it to sell. + if they sold bricks yesterday, Andrei Jikh and Michael James have a brick each (at least), and they will be selling 500 more, I'm guessing they probably printed much more than 500, perhaps 2500.
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Gold Monarch is 144-deck existing, which no one knows that they would be special at the pre-release day.
I and a lot of people didnt jump into that release because everybody thinks it won't be limited.
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Gold Monarch is 144-deck existing, which no one knows that they would be special at the pre-release day.
I and a lot of people didnt jump into that release because everybody thinks it won't be limited.
Many people jumped on this occasion knowing the deck was limited. But I'm sure that if they had released more, perhaps they wouldn't have gotten a reputation for selling rare decks (like D&D), but they would've pleased more of the customers who would have bought more decks because of their beauty and not because of how limited they are.
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I put some up for trade in the sales section.
If anyone is interested
CBJ
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For those who didn't browse the pics that T11 posted of the deck...
This is a much nicer looking deck than the original...
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(http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ae240/1rideout/White-Monarch-product-1.jpg)
NICE!!
CBJ
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That's a very elegant and classy looking deck of cards. I like the look of these way better than the original monarchs.
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That's a very elegant and classy looking deck of cards. I like the look of these way better than the original monarchs.
It is. It's a shame it's so limited and opening one would be a catastrophe for most collectors. I'm sure if T11 had released more of these they would have gotten much more customers.
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I had a very nice surprise this morning! found out my credit card was charged for the amount that the order of 2 monarchs was going to cost me. Went to my account info on T11 website and saw I had an order ID for 2 white monarchs! I am a bit curious why I didn't receive and email about my purchase so I have contacted them, but it looks promising!
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Cool! How did that work if you never made the check out?
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Here's another one... opening at $150.. buy it now.. $300
http://www.ebay.com/itm/280888599227?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649
After a few hours??? really???
It seems that one has been removed.
That's a very elegant and classy looking deck of cards. I like the look of these way better than the original monarchs.
It is. It's a shame it's so limited and opening one would be a catastrophe for most collectors. I'm sure if T11 had released more of these they would have gotten much more customers.
Well I don't know about everyone else but I plan on opening one of my decks up so I can actually see it and handle it and review it! Might be the ONLY White Monarch review on Youtube! ;)
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That's a very elegant and classy looking deck of cards. I like the look of these way better than the original monarchs.
It is. It's a shame it's so limited and opening one would be a catastrophe for most collectors. I'm sure if T11 had released more of these they would have gotten much more customers.
what the hell are you talking about? there were so many customers their web site crashed. yes, in theory they would sell more decks if they put more decks out, but that doesn't mean that there isn't going to be a shit ton of customers waiting to get these decks come friday.
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Cool! How did that work if you never made the check out?
I did make it to checkout.... was at the processing order stage for what felt like hours. Nothing ever said the order had gone through at the time, but when I checked my bank statement online this morning I was being charged for what I had wanted to order from T11. So I checked my account at T11 and at the top of the list was a new order ID for 2 white monarch decks.
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Cool! How did that work if you never made the check out?
I did make it to checkout.... was at the processing order stage for what felt like hours. Nothing ever said the order had gone through at the time, but when I checked my bank statement online this morning I was being charged for what I had wanted to order from T11. So I checked my account at T11 and at the top of the list was a new order ID for 2 white monarch decks.
Cool, Then maybe I still have hope! I made it there but my order never said it made it through. Time for me to check the statements.
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Cool, Then maybe I still have hope! I made it there but my order never said it made it through. Time for me to check the statements.
Yeah, definitely look over your statement and T11 account. I just got a response to my inquiry about the lack of email, they apologized for the confusion and resent out a new one for me! 2 White Monarchs confirmed for me, although.... it will be a while until they arrive, damn USPS. :(
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Just wanted to add that I also received a charge on my card, a statement in my T11 acct and an email confirmation for a pair of decks after the site presumably crashed and decks were no longer on sale. Hopefully they come through with it.
The question I have at this point is, what happens next week? They said they would open another sale window with the entire 500 decks -- but what about the people who had already successfully purchased decks? Will they offer less than 500 decks, or could there potentially be more than 500 decks in circulation after next Friday?
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to think they printed ONLY 500 decks is almost stupid. they are just releasing a small batch to keep them in high demand from collectors.
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lol I know they print more, but what I meant is would they RELEASE more than 500 into the wild? that gives more people better chances of grabbing a deck or two, but it also changes how 'rare' and 'limited' the decks actually are. that's what i was wondering.
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i bet they release them to contest winners and whatnot.
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i bet they release them to contest winners and whatnot.
I agree. I think the reason they are making this an artificially rare deck is so they have something to give away for contests. Ellusionist has many rare decks that they created to use for prizes such as, gold arcane, red artifice, BGv1, LTD. Where as T11 really don't seem to have anything since selling off a lot of their white cents a while back.
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I can almost guarantee that they will be popping up this Black Friday if you make a Purchase of a certain value.
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Black Friday...only a few months away!
Anyways, does anyone know it the original Monarch release went this way, the the crash, or at least a lag?
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Anyways, does anyone know it the original Monarch release went this way, the the crash, or at least a lag?
The original monarch release went smooth and was over within a couple minutes. Saying that, the original monarch pre-release was not really hyped up and consumers expected to be able to purchase the same deck 2 weeks later if they did not get them at the presale. I would expect that if T11 had said there were only 144 of the gold monarch decks in the world...there would undoubtedly have been a crash
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It was all part of a plan. The gold monarch's release made a lot of people think that next time they'd better be on time for the release, which is why tons of people were ready this time around.
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Oh - Okay! - Thanks Curt! - Here's another auction you guys might have missed. It has a lower bidding price than the previous one, but with an insane shipping price (it's not even Priority).
http://www.ebay.com/itm/251071298448#ht_1052wt_1185
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Am I the only one who doesn't understand the allure of recolored decks in limited quantity?
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Most people do it for the resale or for the collection.
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Am I the only one who doesn't understand the allure of recolored decks in limited quantity?
If I like the look of a deck, I try to get it. I liked the look of this deck, so I decided to try to get it because I thought it'd look nice on my shelf.
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Am I the only one who doesn't understand the allure of recolored decks in limited quantity?
The reason for me was to simply complete a rare "set" and go with the two gold monarch decks I own.
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buying these "limited and rare" decks is like buying stocks. once people have no faith or interested in the deck..it's worthless.
if this theory is true. if there is no demand even in the after market, T11 will eventually sales it to public one way or another. they probably even have their own fake ebay account selling it in the after market. XD
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Attention: They've switched the time for the release 12 earlier, making their release about 11AM EST - that means I'll be in school about to start school No matter what, I'm still going to try!
P.S. - They announced this on their SNC.
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Attention: They've switched the time for the release 12 earlier, making their release about 11AM EST - that means I'll be in school about to start school No matter what, I'm still going to try!
P.S. - They announced this on their SNC.
Well that kinda sucks, but I guess traffic will be pretty low in comparison). I will just ask my mom or dad if they can try to get them for me.
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That sucks as I will be in school. Fortunately I was able to secure 2 decks last night.
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Well it seems like much more than 500 of these will be on the market. Just with all the members here that got a deck or two, we're already past a brick or two.
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Well it seems like much more than 500 of these will be on the market. Just with all the members here that got a deck or two, we're already past a brick or two.
yeah, but even having sub 1000 decks sold to the public still makes it quite a rare deck. I will be interested to see how often T11 gives opportunities for consumers to get this deck, considering its being marketed as super rare and hard to get.
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I am going to take a stab at getting them! hopefully i can!
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Damn I don't like the time change at all, once again my work schedule is interfering >:(. I wish they had kept it at 11 PM EST...I'll have to attempt to figure something out I guess.
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Attention: They've switched the time for the release 12 earlier, making their release about 11AM EST - that means I'll be in school about to start school No matter what, I'm still going to try!
P.S. - They announced this on their SNC.
Thanks for that update, I was a bit confused about the 2nd release. Numerous people were saying numerous things at numerous forums. I know what Alex said can certainly be correct. It seems like a color change and hype on a deck should not make people go so crazy. I have to say my interest in obtaining these decks was driven more by aesthetics than rarity. I really like the looks of the white and gold. Those pictures CBJ posted were exceptionally nice. Other than that, color change alone can be quite disappointing.
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I don't get it, the original Monarch had been panned by most of us last year and now T11 changed the color, you guys see it as the second coming of White Cents?
I thought there are more sheep in New Zealand. I was wrong. Enjoy the manufactured hype.
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usually i dont care about "limited release" cards like the red artifice and such but the white monarchs look so darn pretty i just want one to look at all day :p ill also be in school at 11 so ill either have to wait for another window or just wait for when they're given as free gifts or something during the holidays :D
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I wish they would release a bigger quantity of these...the whole "This is rare because we control how many we are selling" idea is getting annoying. I don't want these cards for the rarity, I want them because I think they look better than the original Monarchs and I think they will go well with the original as like a set. I suppose it's not Thoery 11's job to make everyone happy :bosswalk:.
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why would anyone bid for $149.99 if there is cheaper price?lol
http://www.ebay.com/itm/White-Monarch-Playing-Cards-EXTREMELY-RARE-Bicycle-Theory11-Monarchs-Deck-/280889232139?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item41664d8b0b#ht_500wt_1287
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this is just someone too lazy to look around
here's another auction .. it's over though
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&_trksid=p4340.l2557&hash=item3f1804d85c&item=270985910364&nma=true&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&rt=nc&si=v4%252Fu%252FoMftWm5qEr0PdJLYOF8Jko%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc
Someone bought 2 of them for $140 for the set
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Thank you Theory 11 for the change in time, I'm in the UK and this is much much better for me.
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Here are 8 on sale for 124.99 each. What a shame...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/White-Monarch-Deck-Theory11-Monarchs-/270985353568?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f17fc5960#ht_500wt_1174
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I was away and was not able to pick any up this time around but I hope to get some on friday.
Was anyone here able to get some?
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Was anyone here able to get some?
I few people here were able I know that. Unfortunately, I wasn't able to, but I'll try again at school. Hopefully, the site won't crash. (Fingers crossed!)
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I was away and was not able to pick any up this time around but I hope to get some on friday.
Was anyone here able to get some?
A few people have posted earlier in the thread, I do know that vmagic, CBJ and myself did manage to get our orders through during the first presale. There are a few others on the forum as well who did, I just can't remember exactly who.
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I won't be able to make it to the release on Friday because I will be in school. Would anyone be kind enough to pick me up some? I would really, really appreciate it. If so, please PM me.
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I won't be able to make it to the release on Friday because I will be in school. Would anyone be kind enough to pick me up some? I would really, really appreciate it. If so, please PM me.
I doubt anyone will be able to get some for anyone else. I know some people (including myself) asked to trade LTDs and Black Stingers for White Monarchs... in vain. Plus, T11 put a cap for no more than 2 decks. The only way to get more is to pay for multiple orders, and with such a high demand, I doubt anyone will be able to do that. Good luck though.
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That´s just funny and painfull to witness.
I mean come on gimme a break....100USD for a White Monarch deck....ARE YOU NUTS?
Seriously....2nd market sellers pushing the value of these releases into abnormal dimensions.
Maybe 20USD would be justified for staying awake and hunting but 100+ USD ::) ...jeez you people dont work hard enough for your money eh? :D
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The problem with resellers is there are always some fools who are willing to pay so much for a deck of cards, I know i've done it once or twice at least. Certainly glad it won't be the case this time although I know there are many people who will not be able to get these. Anyway the answer is simple, just tell those greedy resellers - NO THANKS!!! And if they can't sell their decks for $100 or $50 or $25 then they will be forced to sell them for less or not sell them at all. I guess ultimately we control the price but deciding whether or not we are willing to pay that much for a deck of cards.
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T11 answer on the question on will these be the only 500 that they will be releasing?
theory11 - There will for sure be more opportunities in the future. Most of which far less than 500 decks, but we increased the size of the release window this week to make up for our server issues last week! - //
Good luck Re-seller.... sell it before the price dropped when they make much more release in the future
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I got 4 decks of White Monarchs on the first pre-sale
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T11 answer on the question on will these be the only 500 that they will be releasing?
theory11 - There will for sure be more opportunities in the future. Most of which far less than 500 decks, but we increased the size of the release window this week to make up for our server issues last week! - //
Good luck Re-seller.... sell it before the price dropped when they make much more release in the future
...And they say these are the next White Cent's....Bitch, please...
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T11 answer on the question on will these be the only 500 that they will be releasing?
theory11 - There will for sure be more opportunities in the future. Most of which far less than 500 decks, but we increased the size of the release window this week to make up for our server issues last week! - //
Good luck Re-seller.... sell it before the price dropped when they make much more release in the future
good news :o
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T11 answer on the question on will these be the only 500 that they will be releasing?
theory11 - There will for sure be more opportunities in the future. Most of which far less than 500 decks, but we increased the size of the release window this week to make up for our server issues last week! - //
Good luck Re-seller.... sell it before the price dropped when they make much more release in the future
...And they say these are the next White Cent's....Bitch, please...
Exactly. Instead of making a fake rare release so resellers can make huge profits and normal collectors will suffer, why not just make it a bit bigger release? If you want to give decks away for contests and stuff, why not make a deck with similar properties to the LTD?
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So I just realized that at 11 am I am in lunch..... where I can use my iPhone..... lunch ends at 11:05.... this will be close.....
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I think the $99 Buy It Now.. is crazy.
Well.. I posted a one-day auction for one WM on ebay for a starting price of 99 cents. No reserve.
I opened it worldwide sale.
if anyone is interested...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=251073897781 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=251073897781)
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So I just realized that at 11 am I am in lunch..... where I can use my iPhone..... lunch ends at 11:05.... this will be close.....
When is lunch 5 minutes, mine are nearly half an hour!
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So I just realized that at 11 am I am in lunch..... where I can use my iPhone..... lunch ends at 11:05.... this will be close.....
When is lunch 5 minutes, mine are nearly half an hour!
Typo I think.
However, I think it's better to use laptop cause iPhone is slower.
You gotta be fast.
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So I just realized that at 11 am I am in lunch..... where I can use my iPhone..... lunch ends at 11:05.... this will be close.....
When is lunch 5 minutes, mine are nearly half an hour!
Kind of off topic, but he never stated when his lunch started, just that it ends and 11am is within his lunch period.
/Off topic
;)
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It's funny all of the Monarch bashing that's gone on here over the last months... I remember just about a month ago, defending the Monarch along with J&T to a whole lot of haters... Now you drank the Kool Aid and need a White Monarch as well??? May I just say.............Whack... In addition, rather disrespectful and atrocious asking $249 per deck, but if anyone wants to release one to me for a bit more of a respectful number, I'll pay... PM me with a cash offer or a trade... Lots of nice things Vintage and Modern... Thanks, J.
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It's funny all of the Monarch bashing that's gone on here over the last months... I remember just about a month ago, defending the Monarch along with J&T to a whole lot of haters... Now you drank the Kool Aid and need a White Monarch as well??? May I just say.............Whack... In addition, rather disrespectful and atrocious asking $249 per deck, but if anyone wants to release one to me for a bit more of a respectful number, I'll pay... PM me with a cash offer or a trade... Lots of nice things Vintage and Modern... Thanks, J.
It is kinda ironic that most people here hate the monarchs and yet they are fussing over the white version. Still, I think both decks look amazing and the white will most likely perform as well as the last if not the same. Which is good.
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It's funny all of the Monarch bashing that's gone on here over the last months... I remember just about a month ago, defending the Monarch along with J&T to a whole lot of haters... Now you drank the Kool Aid and need a White Monarch as well??? May I just say.............Whack... In addition, rather disrespectful and atrocious asking $249 per deck, but if anyone wants to release one to me for a bit more of a respectful number, I'll pay... PM me with a cash offer or a trade... Lots of nice things Vintage and Modern... Thanks, J.
It is kinda ironic that most people here hate the monarchs and yet they are fussing over the white version. Still, I think both decks look amazing and the white will most likely perform as well as the last if not the same. Which is good.
i hate the look of the normal monarchs but i like the feel of it .. i personally think the gold monarchs look awesome .. and the reason why i like the white monarchs is partly because it is very rare and the back design ,which is why i will put them up directly from the website and not from reseller
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It's amazing how the change of the colors really change the whole look of the deck! I don't like the look of the regular monarchs but I love the look of the white ones!
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502 bad gateway yet again >:(
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They are really having a problem with this aren't they? Disappointing.
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Sigh..........why why why : (
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i gto 3 deck in my cart but i cant check out .. any body want the link of the page?
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I don't even like them all that much, but wanted to get a couple to study the box details which I'd like to see up close to see what works well, as Aurum may have some fine gold work and embossing on it. Oh well, guess it's not going to happen this time either.
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if that the case why not you just get a normal monarchs ?
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I have those already. :) I want to see what they mean by "pearl white"
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if that the case why not you just get a normal monarchs ?
send me link man ^^
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Yup. Another failure. I hope this will totally fail and they will decide to release more at the same time, making this deck beautiful rather than beautifully limited.
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I know a lot of people will bash Theory 11 again but I think it's a little unfair and childish, am I happy with the situation? No but come on guys all the hate over on Facebook is silly and I like limited releases like this, genuine limited decks come with this hassle, I've missed out on decks due to server issues in the past and it's annoying but it's not that bad. Magic con missed, white cents missed, Gold monarch missed and I complained about the gold monarchs but later apologized due to my childish behavior. Good luck everyone
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The problem I have isn't the fact that their servers are crashing. It's the fact that they are selling this beautiful deck in a very limited quantity just to make their reputation increase and incite people to buy other products so they can be entered for a chance to win some White Monarchs. By doing this they aren't really being respectful to their customers since they are putting their business WAY in front of them.
NEWS FLASH: "We scaled up our servers times FIVE to brace for demand today, and our servers were still overloaded! We are very sorry - and we are very thankful for your support.
Because we do not want to keep you guys waiting, the release event of White Monarchs today will be postponed until we are more confident in our ability to handle the MASSIVE demand. We will post the new date and time shortly!" - Theory11
Great! Looks like we'll have to wait some more days. Just great!
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I guess my post cursing T11 was removed... but I stand by the statement... I even connected directly to the ethernet to avoid wireless lag... at 11:00 on the nose the servers were down... As one of their fans, its shameful...
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Rumors on their facebook page say:
Next Release Window: Friday, June 8th, 2012 at 11:00am EDT [250 Decks]
Why would they be reducing the amount of decks released though? I think many people will give up this time around though.
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I saw the time on FB, posted by T11, but not the limit.
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I got an email confirmation almost right as they announced they were postponing the release again. We'll see what happens....
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I just double checked the FB posts. They're re-opening the sale on Friday next week at 11am again, but they did not state any limit on how many will be released. I'm guessing it will be at least 500. Someone else posted the limit as though it was fact.
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So. A 2 week delay. Everytime some more people get the deck, and everytime they release 500 more. So in total MUCH more than 500 decks will be out on the market, this deck will be resold for enormous prices, all of their customers will be unhappy, and what will they have gained? A reputation similar to that of D&D? I think they are pushing it too far. 2 failures so far, how many will it take for them to realise their mistake? Plus, if the servers crashed last time while being boosted 4 times, why try again at a time that works for both North America and Europe, and boost it barely more than last time?
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I got an email confirmation almost right as they announced they were postponing the release again. We'll see what happens....
just a quick question, does getting a confirmation email confirm your order?
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So. A 2 week delay. Everytime some more people get the deck, and everytime they release 500 more. So in total MUCH more than 500 decks will be out on the market, this deck will be resold for enormous prices, all of their customers will be unhappy, and what will they have gained? A reputation similar to that of D&D? I think they are pushing it too far. 2 failures so far, how many will it take for them to realise their mistake? Plus, if the servers crashed last time while being boosted 4 times, why try again at a time that works for both North America and Europe, and boost it barely more than last time?
2-week delay? They go on sale again a week from today at 11am. That's one week.
This is definitely putting a dent in T11's rep, which was damaged badly enough when the original Monarchs went on sale. They were being touted as the best thing since the Second Coming but turned out to be pretty average. I like them myself, but the hype was overblown.
I got an email confirmation almost right as they announced they were postponing the release again. We'll see what happens....
just a quick question, does getting a confirmation email confirm your order?
Yes. I got one as well. Hence the word "confirmation". The email "confirms" your order...
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Just got 3 in the cart and I was at the shipping section but it's slow, keep trying. JB said the following on Facebook:
''you might be able to get through, but our servers are still getting hammered. Our recommendation would be to wait until the next release window once we have resolved these technical issues 100%. Very sorry about the issues today and promise that this will not happen again. -// jb.
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I think they shouldn't do major releases like this. It floods the servers and causes unnecessary problems. Tell you customers that the deck will go on sale "Next week". Then put it out there whenever you feel like it. Sure you will have bots, and people rapidly refreshing and hitting your site, but the influx of traffic will be significantly less. Even if when they DO go on sale, posts flood facebook and forums, it will still take a couple hours for the message to reach everyone, you inherently defeat the 'boom' of traffic problem.
And yes, of course you will have the issue of people complaining that you released them at an unfair time for the time zone they live in and it wasn't fair because not everyone had an even shot at it, but such is life. If you want to release 250-500 at a time, you can just tell people that there will be another chance next week, and don't pick the same day/time every week.
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Just got 3 in the cart and I was at the shipping section but it's slow, keep trying. JB said the following on Facebook:
''you might be able to get through, but our servers are still getting hammered. Our recommendation would be to wait until the next release window once we have resolved these technical issues 100%. Very sorry about the issues today and promise that this will not happen again. -// jb.
Same here. I have 3 in my cart, and I'm waiting and constantly refreshing. I'm about to give up any minute.
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Just got 3 in the cart and I was at the shipping section but it's slow, keep trying. JB said the following on Facebook:
''you might be able to get through, but our servers are still getting hammered. Our recommendation would be to wait until the next release window once we have resolved these technical issues 100%. Very sorry about the issues today and promise that this will not happen again. -// jb.
Same here. I have 3 in my cart, and I'm waiting and constantly refreshing. I'm about to give up any minute.
Keep trying as some people on Facebook are getting through, unless of course you need to be elsewhere.
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What would be nice for them to do is release 2 batches again, but to prevent crashes, have one at 9AM and one at 9PM eastern time. And to please every time zone, only time zones East of the Meridian of Greenwich would be able to buy at 9AM EDT, and only time zones West of the Meridian would be able to check out at 9PM EDT. They would be able to check people don't cheat buy restricting people who checkout in countries not belonging to that hemisphere. Complicated, but possible.
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Finally got my order confirmation in! :D
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Just got 3 in the cart and I was at the shipping section but it's slow, keep trying. JB said the following on Facebook:
''you might be able to get through, but our servers are still getting hammered. Our recommendation would be to wait until the next release window once we have resolved these technical issues 100%. Very sorry about the issues today and promise that this will not happen again. -// jb.
Same here. I have 3 in my cart, and I'm waiting and constantly refreshing. I'm about to give up any minute.
Keep trying as some people on Facebook are getting through, unless of course you need to be elsewhere.
I finally got into my cart, with the 3 White Monarchs in my cart. I waited and waited, and I finally got to my cart. I entered everything, but it said there are none available........
Needless to say, I'm quite frustrated (as I'm sure everyone is).
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About to give up and then yes, just got through and got my confirmation, 3 hours man. Dont give up if you have the time.
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If you have them in your cart and have not closed your window.. keep trying.. mine JUST went through
3 decks.. 2 hours and 53 minutes after launch
Confirmation e-mail and everything
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About to give up and then yes, just got through and got my confirmation, 3 hours man. Don't give up if you have the time.
It's not as much about giving up, as much as it is that they won't sell them to me because they are out. I'm doing this on my iPhone, so I have all the time in the world, but when I logged in, although I have three in my cart, it says that there are none left.
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If only I had known... I had 3 WM in my cart 30 minutes ago, but I closed the page thinking it was useless. Now it's empty. And unlike some other crazy resellers I wouldn't have sold it for 100+$. I would have kept 2 and either traded the last one or sold it for 25$.
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If only I had known... I had 3 WM in my cart 30 minutes ago, but I closed the page thinking it was useless. Now it's empty. And unlike some other crazy resellers I wouldn't have sold it for 100+$. I would have kept 2 and either traded the last one or sold it for 25$.
Hmmmm.... yea.
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And unlike some other crazy resellers I wouldn't have sold it for 100+$. I would have kept 2 and either traded the last one or sold it for 25$.
It is easier to say that then actually do it. It is always very tempting just to put it up on ebay and let others bid it up to triple or quadruple that amount. ;) I know, because I once raffled off the chance to purchase one of my Red Artifice decks for $25 when they were the newest "rare" deck
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I'm confused, how is everyone getting 3, I thought the limit per order was 2, did they change it? I wasn't able to get anymore today, didn't have a chance to try, but hopefully I will try again next week. Either way, I think if they were going to release 1000 or 1500 of these that they should have just released them all at once instead of trying to make them seem ultra rare! >:(
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The problem I have is them saying the are sold out yet selling more next week. What about all of us that had 3 in our carts and were not able to get past shipping or any other portion of the checkout. When we come come back later to try again and find that the decks have been removed from or carts, why? They still have decks they should let those of us with decks in our carts finish the checkout, if they had no more decks I would understand but they obviously do so it makes no sense. Then to say that next week their system won't crash I find that hard to believe, everytime one of these companies has one of these types of sales their systems crash and what is their reply, "we were not expecting such a responce" or something to that effect. It is their way of toying with people, they know what is going to happen and should be ready for it a 100 fold. Sorry but that is just my idea good customer service and business readiness.
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I had them in my cart, then checked out and clicked the complete order button and it said it was sold out. That was after an hour of waiting!
I'm really disappointed in T11 and how they're handling this.
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I actually kind of like the idea of releasing a limited product bits at a time. It gives a lot of people a lot of opportunities to get one. I know T11 has done a handful of things (today's website failure among them) that has really left a bad taste in people's mouths about the company, but I'm looking at this leaving prior judgement behind.
I actually DO like the looks of the white monarchs compared to the standard ones. I also have a deep appreciation for quality marketing. Say what you will about T11, say they don't treat their customers right, say they have gone the route of D&D (they aren't selling fingernail clippers yet), the fact remains that they DID upgrade their servers and they still managed to release a product that drew enough hype to crash them. I have to respect that a little bit.
As for their systems crashing... these things happen. Let's be honest, it's A DECK OF CARDS! Nothing more. You run a company, how many people do you really think are gonna wanna buy this deck of cards? So yeah, when you release a deck - for the second time, and you make careful preparations to upgrade you equipment before hand, yet still end up with nearly 2,000 customers hitting a website at the same time. T11 is not Google. They do not make enough money to just throw everything they have into better technology, that stuff isn't cheap. Were there things they could have done better? Yes, but honestly I think they are doing just fine. At the end of the day, if you hate the company so much for their bad PR and Customer Service then don't buy their product. Unless you really want their product, then you have to weigh whether dealing with the company is worth it. Most times it is.
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The next release window is Friday, June 8th, 2012 at 11:00am EDT [250 Decks].
Seriously? Another 250 deck release? That worked out really well last time!
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Ended up getting 6 decks which totals me to 10 White Monarch's! It took me over 2 hours and 30 mins. But I ended up snatching up 6 of these bad boys. ;)
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Seriously? Another 250 deck release? That worked out really well last time!
No, it really didn't work out well at all, and in spite of that, I'm going to bet everyone who is upset with Theory-11 will still be there next Friday clicking order and throwing money at them.
In all honestly it's actually quite fascinating how a mass of people will complain about the performance of something and yet still flock to it like lambs to the slaughter.
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AceGambit, it is pretty interesting. Collector mentality I guess, folks just feel driven to have the latest things particularly if they are rare and hard to come by. I might not bother again after the first two attempts, but on the other hand I will just be sitting in my office at my computer anyways, so why not?
T11 deserves some respect for their marketing prowess, to be sure. I'd love to have a fraction of that loyal following someday, as its a truly valuable thing.
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Yeah, I'm with you. I didn't manage to pick up any of the White Monarch's, but I am a collector and I wouldn't mind a pair of them (bought 3 Tendril though :) ). So yeah, next Friday sitting at my desk at 11am, Sure I'll pop over to their site and hope to buy a couple. I don't know maybe I'm just too pragmatic to lose sleep over not being able to purchase a limited deck of cards (I really wanted a pack of Mana cards, but didn't want to pay the shipping charges so didn't).
On the other hand, if you collect cards for the exclusive purpose of reselling them, and that makes up a significant part of your actual income, I can see the disappointment. The decks are selling for $6.95 on T11. I saw one go for $83.00 on ebay the other day, that's a hell of a mark up for a deck that isn't even officially off the retail market yet.
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between me and my friend we where able to get a brick. The key was just to keep on trying.The second time i order 3 it kinda went smooth. It took me only 7 minutes at tops.
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Stayed up till 3am NZ time to try for one deck. Gave up at 5am when I collapsed face first on my keyboard from exhaustion and frustration.
I'm not trying for it again. Will get it off the secondary market.
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I guess it's where you're located... Because one second past availability, I was clicking and the server was crashed and I tried for a good hour... always errors... always... Glad to see so many of you were able to get so many decks - have fun r@p!ng everyone in the aftermarket... As Curt said the other day... The account was updated, I was signed in, and all I had to do was click in one second, but it was immediately unavailable... Guess I'll have no choice but to pick them up aftermarket because these are going in the collection...
Again, anyone looking to trade, sell, or both - let me know...
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here is a video about the white monarchs handling .. http://vimeo.com/43273348
try again next week .. i will be trying again too
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here is a video about the white monarchs handling .. http://vimeo.com/43273348 (http://vimeo.com/43273348)
try again next week .. i will be trying again too
I can imagine some collectors who only buy them to either hoard or resell them going apoplectic seeing Andrei Jikh handling his deck like that!
The next release window is Friday, June 8th, 2012 at 11:00am EDT [250 Decks].
Seriously? Another 250 deck release? That worked out really well last time!
I saw someone on FB spreading the rumor that it would only be a 250-deck window next Friday. Did you hear official word from T11? The only comments I saw from them at the time said absolutely nothing about the quantity of decks they'd be offering next week.
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They wrote the next window release on the bottom of the white monarch product page.
And they talked about that in the Expose this week.
But the time is different. There must be some mistake.
But for sure is 250 decks next friday.
Not sure about am or pm.
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There's a saying... "Pigs get fat... Hogs get slaughtered..." Its said a lot in the sales profession and yes I am admittedly a little bitter that I was shut out for the second time getting one of my favorite decks of recent past... As I've written here, I've chosen to pass on quite a few decks as of late and when there's finally something I love and feel is worth my attention, well... you all know the rest... As for all of you looking to make a quick buck, just remember the saying... Keep in mind - I'm all for capitalism and I've made a few bucks here and there on cards as well so I don't want to come off sounding like a hypocrite, but the fact that the average card collector and lover of cards doesn't have even a shot to pick up the decks in a fair manner, bothers me... Good luck to you all... And all of you who actually like the deck and want to pick one up to add to your collection (rather than flip to make 30X the money you laid out) I hope you are able to secure them... I've run into quite a few decent people here and I'm sure you will as well... Thanks, J.
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Seriously? Another 250 deck release? That worked out really well last time!
No, it really didn't work out well at all, and in spite of that, I'm going to bet everyone who is upset with Theory-11 will still be there next Friday clicking order and throwing money at them.
In all honestly it's actually quite fascinating how a mass of people will complain about the performance of something and yet still flock to it like lambs to the slaughter.
Dude, you are so right. These past two weeks have been ridicoulus, and I made myself that way over cards. I am sure next weel will be the same thing. I am going out to buy some rogaine as I think the stress is making my hair fall out.
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the thing about this release is either you get nothing or you get more than 6. that really pissed me off
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I had them in my cart, then checked out and clicked the complete order button and it said it was sold out. That was after an hour of waiting!
I'm really disappointed in T11 and how they're handling this.
Didn't you already get some last week?
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There's a saying... "Pigs get fat... Hogs get slaughtered..." Its said a lot in the sales profession and yes I am admittedly a little bitter that I was shut out for the second time getting one of my favorite decks of recent past... As I've written here, I've chosen to pass on quite a few decks as of late and when there's finally something I love and feel is worth my attention, well... you all know the rest... As for all of you looking to make a quick buck, just remember the saying... Keep in mind - I'm all for capitalism and I've made a few bucks here and there on cards as well so I don't want to come off sounding like a hypocrite, but the fact that the average card collector and lover of cards doesn't have even a shot to pick up the decks in a fair manner, bothers me... Good luck to you all... And all of you who actually like the deck and want to pick one up to add to your collection (rather than flip to make 30X the money you laid out) I hope you are able to secure them... I've run into quite a few decent people here and I'm sure you will as well... Thanks, J.
Couldn't have said it better! For once we agree on something, lol.
Yeah, I'm with you. I didn't manage to pick up any of the White Monarch's, but I am a collector and I wouldn't mind a pair of them (bought 3 Tendril though :) ). So yeah, next Friday sitting at my desk at 11am, Sure I'll pop over to their site and hope to buy a couple. I don't know maybe I'm just too pragmatic to lose sleep over not being able to purchase a limited deck of cards (I really wanted a pack of Mana cards, but didn't want to pay the shipping charges so didn't).
On the other hand, if you collect cards for the exclusive purpose of reselling them, and that makes up a significant part of your actual income, I can see the disappointment. The decks are selling for $6.95 on T11. I saw one go for $83.00 on ebay the other day, that's a hell of a mark up for a deck that isn't even officially off the retail market yet.
If some people are selling cards for a large part of their income, then they definitely need to get a freakin job and stop screwing everyone else!
Btw, I proposed an idea to Theory11 last week that would give everyone a much fairer opportunity to buy the cards before anyone else could jump in and buy more. That would be, everyone must be signed up with an account on Theory11 and once they buy the Monarchs they wouldn't be allowed to buy them again for a certain time frame. If there was any available say after six hours or something, then you would be able to buy more. That way people around the world would have a fair opportunity to pick up 2 or 3, whatever the max is without other poeple buy 6 or 8 and then the decks selling out. Because the way I see it, there have been people getting these multiple times and many people not getting any at all, ain't a fair system at all in my opinion.
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If some people are selling cards for a large part of their income, then they definitely need to get a freakin job and stop screwing everyone else!
Well I could dive into a conversation about what we actually consider an honest living. If you charge an outrageous amount of money for a non-necessity and people are willing to pay it. Is it really a rip off? *coughAPPLEcough*
People choose to make their living in very unusual ways actually. I read something online a few months ago about the average salary of a New York City street bum. As an NYC resident, I'm sure Don could attest to it. There are people in Manhattan that make $70-80K / year. They live in a nice apartment, and every day, they dress up like a homeless person, and go wander 5th ave and central park begging for change. If ever there was a deceitful profession... So by comparison, I really don't think taking advantage of a seller's market and turning a deck of cards for a profit is that harmful or cruel.
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AceGambit, I couldn't agree more with you on many posts you've made. It's true that we are complaining yet we aren't changing our behavior. The thing is that one person deciding to resell a deck for a lower price than retail, or one collector deciding to not even try to order White Monarchs isn't enough to make companies and resellers stop screwing us over.
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I had them in my cart, then checked out and clicked the complete order button and it said it was sold out. That was after an hour of waiting!
I'm really disappointed in T11 and how they're handling this.
Didn't you already get some last week?
No, I wasn't able to make it to the first release.
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Please try and keep this thread to discussion about the white monarch deck itself, and not resellers. When the forum was first created, I made a thread to discuss resellers so any conversations about them can be carried on there.
http://aethercards.com/discourse/index.php?topic=77.0
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The big thing that's got me busting a gut laughing is the review section for this deck at T11. People are writing reviews who don't even have the deck yet! They're gushing worse than anything T11 ever said about the first Monarchs release. And they've only seen PHOTOGRAPHS!
I much prefer E's solution to this - the "Verified Buyer" tag. If you bought something at E and write a review for it, they verify that you bought it to show you're not just being a goofy-headed fanboy who's about to cream his pants.
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On the white monarchs page it now states that the next release window date is to be announced shortly.
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It will be good when the white monarch BS subsides so we can move on to the next card release fiasco and put up another thread saying the same things with a different card name.
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It will be good when the white monarch BS subsides so we can move on to the next card release fiasco and put up another thread saying the same things with a different card name.
Now THAT is too funny... :) Maybe we can simply copy this thread and replace the deck and company name! It really would save a lot of time and effort!
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The big thing that's got me busting a gut laughing is the review section for this deck at T11. People are writing reviews who don't even have the deck yet! They're gushing worse than anything T11 ever said about the first Monarchs release. And they've only seen PHOTOGRAPHS!
But Don, think for a moment. We know what a card feels like and how it will handle before it is made. (Stock\Finish ...) there are no surprises. The only difference in USPCC cards made recently is the artistry (or lack there of). SO if we have acurate pictures of the artwork, why not invent positive reviews before the fact. Perhaps the reviews could be good enough that free decks would be given to the reviewers??
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Not all decks handle the same way. First of all there are a couple different stock/finish combinations on the market, and 2 decks with the same combo don't always handle the same way depending on the ink amount.
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The big thing that's got me busting a gut laughing is the review section for this deck at T11. People are writing reviews who don't even have the deck yet! They're gushing worse than anything T11 ever said about the first Monarchs release. And they've only seen PHOTOGRAPHS!
But Don, think for a moment. We know what a card feels like and how it will handle before it is made. (Stock\Finish ...) there are no surprises. The only difference in USPCC cards made recently is the artistry (or lack there of). SO if we have acurate pictures of the artwork, why not invent positive reviews before the fact. Perhaps the reviews could be good enough that free decks would be given to the reviewers??
T11 doesn't offer ANY rewards for making positive or negative comments.
Most USPC cards have great handling fresh out of the box, but there are differences. It doesn't matter if you know the stock and finish - stocks and finishes can handle differently from deck to deck due to factors like how the paper was stored and the amount and type of ink. Aristocrat 727 reprints and Tally Ho decks are both made with exactly the same stock and finish - but they don't handle the same by a longshot.
So writing a review of a deck of cards you don't possess is about as good as a blind man offering a review of a photograph or a review of a restaurant written by someone with zero sense of smell or taste.
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I take it there not doing another White Monarch release today since there hasnt been much talk about it...?
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No, they are no next release date yet.
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I take it there not doing another White Monarch release today since there hasnt been much talk about it...?
They had originally said it would be this Friday (yesterday, since it's past midnight here in the Eastern Daylight Zone of the US). But within a few days, they changed the release date to "to be announced shortly", and that's been up ever since.
This is actually a good thing. It appears they're taking the time and trouble to be certain that they get it right this time. Let's hope so, though there is that old adage about military plans usually lasting about five or less minutes from when the battle begins. They thought they were ready the last two times, and wildly underestimated the demand.
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Theory 11 post a message on their forum :
Time for the results! Drumroll please... the correct answer of the number of cards inside the box is... 50! I just counted and recounted again to make sure the number was correct. Our winner tonight, taking home a sealed, rare deck of White Monarch's is Ivensor. Congrats! Submit a message to our support crew with your address to redeem your prize!
To everyone else, thanks for posting and stay tuned to another White Monarch giveaway next Saturday. We have FIVE releases planned over the next four weeks, so get ready for some action!
Do they mean they are going to release the White Monarch 5 more round ?
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Theory 11 post a message on their forum :
Time for the results! Drumroll please... the correct answer of the number of cards inside the box is... 50! I just counted and recounted again to make sure the number was correct. Our winner tonight, taking home a sealed, rare deck of White Monarch's is Ivensor. Congrats! Submit a message to our support crew with your address to redeem your prize!
To everyone else, thanks for posting and stay tuned to another White Monarch giveaway next Saturday. We have FIVE releases planned over the next four weeks, so get ready for some action!
Do they mean they are going to release the White Monarch 5 more round ?
No, I don't think so. Remember Rebels are going to be hot off the press and I heard something about Daniel Madison. maybe even Andrei Jihk's Genesis vol.3 will be released. I do expect though that theory11 rerelease the White Monarchs
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On this week's Exposé, Zach mentioned that there would be a bunch of releases on June 22nd and he also said that there may be a release of White Monarchs!
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On this week's Exposé, Zach mentioned that there would be a bunch of releases on June 22nd and he also said that there may be a release of White Monarchs!
#hype + crash guaranteed... What kind of info is this: "there maybe a release". T11, will there be one, yes or no?
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On this week's Exposé, Zach mentioned that there would be a bunch of releases on June 22nd and he also said that there may be a release of White Monarchs!
#hype + crash guaranteed... What kind of info is this: "there maybe a release". T11, will there be one, yes or no?
It's nonsense, IMHO. Zach's more known for his antics than his accuracy.
The White Monarchs pages still states "to be announced shortly". This could become something more like the Gold Monarchs release - I didn't even hear about it until it was already over by a day. They might spring open a window with very short notice, let it run 'til sold out and close it.
Bloody annoying is what it really is. I suggested they should just sell them on Amazon - the amount of traffic that crashed their site wouldn't even create a blip on Jeff Bezos' radar, so the Amazon site wouldn't crash.
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i think they are going to released them at one point but they wont put a time. that way the servers didnt crash.
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i think they are going to released them at one point but they wont put a time. that way the servers didnt crash.
Now that's insanity. Excellent way to piss off customers.
"OK, people, we ARE going to sell these decks - but it could be at ANY time. Please keep refreshing your browser window about every five minutes [the masses will interpret this as "every five seconds"] and, if you're unemployed, never sleep and are lucky, perhaps you, too, will own a deck of these babies!"
It would be the Internet equivalent of a riot on their hands from everyone who IS employed, DOES sleep and appears to have been unlucky, at least as far as getting White Monarchs is concerned. Not to mention that there will be people who, either by enlisting assistants or writing a clever script, WILL refresh their browser every five seconds! I'm thinking this would be pretty stressful for their servers...
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i think they are going to released them at one point but they wont put a time. that way the servers didnt crash.
Now that's insanity. Excellent way to piss off customers.
"OK, people, we ARE going to sell these decks - but it could be at ANY time. Please keep refreshing your browser window about every five minutes [the masses will interpret this as "every five seconds"] and, if you're unemployed, never sleep and are lucky, perhaps you, too, will own a deck of these babies!"
It would be the Internet equivalent of a riot on their hands from everyone who IS employed, DOES sleep and appears to have been unlucky, at least as far as getting White Monarchs is concerned. Not to mention that there will be people who, either by enlisting assistants or writing a clever script, WILL refresh their browser every five seconds! I'm thinking this would be pretty stressful for their servers...
I think theory11 is at a point where ppl are going to be mad no matter what happens . Unless they spend a lot of money upgrading there servers. Which i didnt think they would, just for one released when on a normal base there website is fine. They should just released them on a price tiers. I guess we will just have to wait and see.
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Here's a screenshot from instagram, looks like jb will be announcing a time or a how we can get them today.
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see i knew they would do it as a price tier. Where there you go ppl spend 50 and get a free white monarch and 100 and get a uncut sheet and a free white monarch!!!!!!! http://forums.theory11.com/showthread.php?36790-SIX-New-Releases-Free-White-Monarchs-Friday!
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see i knew they would do it as a price tier. Where there you go ppl spend 50 and get a free white monarch and 100 and get a uncut sheet and a free white monarch!!!!!!! http://forums.theory11.com/showthread.php?36790-SIX-New-Releases-Free-White-Monarchs-Friday (http://forums.theory11.com/showthread.php?36790-SIX-New-Releases-Free-White-Monarchs-Friday)!
Count me in!! I'm game!!
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Guess who is makeing a $100 order ;)
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Haha oh man people who bought these for the 60 bucks on Ebay must be kicking themselves right now!! And the people who sold them are making out like fat cats because now they take there 60 dollars, get another white monarch and basically 50 dollars worth of other playing cards and other magic stuff! Don't you guys love how the playing card community works?? I definitely think this is the right route for theory 11 to go on though. Now its not about who has the fastest computer, or who has the fastest fingers,, but now its about what it should be about, WHO HAS THE MOST MONEY!
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Wow, looks like T11 are getting a lot of criticism on their forums for this sale.
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Wow, looks like T11 are getting a lot of criticism on their forums for this sale.
Ehh, a few disgruntled people. I think the majority can agree that this is the best solution aside from printing enough for everybody
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Couldn't they have done this before though? Didn't they know something like this would happen? I'm pretty sure they already had this all in mind: they had talked about giving them away in contests and prizes and such, and it seems like this was a long-though-out plan. It seems frustrating for not only the buyers, but also those who spent hours waiting for their order to process. Also, we can see they printed more than 500, probably even 5,000, since they are pretty sure they'll have enough for everyone for 12 hours.
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I agree, but before is before. I still think this its the best option. I hope they do this again actually because it gives me an excuse to buy a crap load of cool cards and magic stuff!
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Couldn't they have done this before though? Didn't they know something like this would happen? I'm pretty sure they already had this all in mind: they had talked about giving them away in contests and prizes and such, and it seems like this was a long-though-out plan. It seems frustrating for not only the buyers, but also those who spent hours waiting for their order to process. Also, we can see they printed more than 500, probably even 5,000, since they are pretty sure they'll have enough for everyone for 12 hours.
I think what they are doing is good. They sold some people them for cheap, now they are getting rid of them for a bit more money. Why should they give a Sh*t what people paid in the aftermarket, that's their problem. This is IMO the best thing they could do.
For me I was planning on making an order last night but held off, so I am just going to wait until Firday and get these for free with my order. I am extremely happy!
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Well, I'm glad I sold a couple of decks when I did.
After this sale, the value is dropping faster than Facebook stock.
And, to have the uncuts available for 12 hours straight? how many did they print?
If blaine could get 100 people to spend 100 in a few hours, I really think that T11 will get HUNDREDS of $100 orders.. They have almost 70,000 followers on FB. So with the potential of their being 200-1000 uncuts out there, highly diminishes the value of it. I'll pass.
I asked this on the T11 thread..
"If there are no more riddles and speculation...
How many decks of White Monarchs were printed?
and how many uncuts? "
I think more of you should post the same question
They are being very secretive about all of this
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They say they THINK they have enough to support the 12 hours sale... Really? I doubt a 5000 print run can't support that..
they have 69,780 likes on facebook, say 20% of those are willing to buy just something over $50 but less than $100 to get only the deck. That would already be 13,956 decks given away, 14,000 rounded up!!
For uncuts, say just 5% within the 20% of the people willing to buy pays more than $100 to get the uncut as well. That's still almost 700 uncuts!!! :o certainly not limited if you ask me.
Note: My values are in no way related to any statistical data, if any, available anywhere and may not be an accurate assumption. It is just my personal opinion and rough estimate on this matter seeing hot this deck is now.
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sometimes i think company lie on there print run. cause Ellusionist still have the gold arcane available after all the promotions they have done. Same goes for the red artifice. As for the value i didnt think it will drop a lot cause the ltd decks and red artifice are still around the same price and Ellusionist has had deals like this go for days. But it might im also glad i sold a few on the price i sold them at.
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I can't say that thought hasn't crossed my mind before this. Considering the amount of collectors and playing enthusiasts, companies with this kind of reputation(70,000 likes on fb) generally has enough supporters that I don't think a 5000 print run is enough. Sure not everyone is willing to spend $50, $75 or $100 to get a free deck of cards, but there's definitely sufficient demand.
Not to mention people with the correct contacts could get a brick or two of those deck(RA, LTD, GA from E to name a few) easily. Don't ask me how they do it though as I have no idea, still trying to find out more about this. Learned about this when I recently purchase a brick of RA and was asking the guy how he got his hands on them. Would be great if someone do know about this and could maybe share it.
So yeah.. 5000? I seriously doubt so, 2 or 3 runs of 5000 each? sounds more realistic IMHO.
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They say they THINK they have enough to support the 12 hours sale... Really? I doubt a 5000 print run can't support that..
they have 69,780 likes on facebook, say 20% of those are willing to buy just something over $50 but less than $100 to get only the deck. That would already be 13,956 decks given away, 14,000 rounded up!!
For uncuts, say just 5% within the 20% of the people willing to buy pays more than $100 to get the uncut as well. That's still almost 700 uncuts!!! :o certainly not limited if you ask me.
Note: My values are in no way related to any statistical data, if any, available anywhere and may not be an accurate assumption. It is just my personal opinion and rough estimate on this matter seeing hot this deck is now.
They're saying "I think" so people don't get on their backs about them printing a whole lot and still saying these are "rare and limited". And they can preserve their market value as well.
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From what it looks like, it is not necessary to purchase from the six new releases, correct? Any $50 order gets the White Monarchs & Uncut... Correct?
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From what it looks like, it is not necessary to purchase from the six new releases, correct? Any $50 order gets the White Monarchs & Uncut... Correct?
I believe so. Well, atleast I hope so. They haven't stated anything about that specifically yet though.
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From what it looks like, it is not necessary to purchase from the six new releases, correct? Any $50 order gets the White Monarchs & Uncut... Correct?
Yeap, from what I read about their replies on T11 forum. As long as your order amounts to at least $50 or $100 before shipping/taxes, with at least one item in the order being shippable, you'll automatically get the reward. To confirm, you should see the reward(deck/uncuts) in your cart before you check out. It should be the same and if you've bought from E before, you'll know what I mean. :)
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WEll T11 responded to my question about the quantities of White Monarchs... it looks like there may be another deck release this Friday..
"Hey Jason. Exact quantities have not been announced, but we have said that the decks are among our rarest, and that they will not be reprinted. So what we have is what we will have. But speaking of playing cards, White Monarchs might not be the only thing to look forward to on Friday...
Be there.
L "
Hmmmm Rebels?
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Okay, a few more questions:
1. Would you say that the WM uncuts are more rare than the deck?
2. How prepared do you believe you are? Because after tons of hype, you'd expect their to be much, much more traffic.
3. How quick do you believe you supply of WM, decks and uncuts, will last?
1. Absolutely so. That said, we should have enough to last during the 12 hours of this event.
2. Since this event is spread out over 12 hours, there's no rush. It starts on Friday morning and lasts until Friday night at 11:00pm EDT. As long as you're within that 12 hour range, and our supply lasts, you should be totally fine.
3. Both are rare commodities, but we expect both supplies to hold strong throughout this event.
4. I know there wasn't a fourth question, but I wanted to say that RAPTURE is crazy awesome. The end.
This makes me think. When he says, " ...we expect both supplies to hold strong throughout this event" one has to question how much they have in stock. Right?
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I'll toss in my two cents on this.
First, if a company says "we're making X amount of decks", they're usually telling the truth. T11 never said they made only 500 - they said they were RELEASING 500 back when they tried the two sales windows. This indicates that there may be more, but it's still limited.
CBJ or someone mentioned about the quantity of uncut sheets that would be released. I can't imagine it's going to be as high as all that - and in the same breath I can't imagine they''' last the whole twelve hours.
Who was it that commented about Gold Arcanes still being in stock at E? Ellusionist employees have been around here, and this is what I know. As of about a year ago, they had about 1000 BG1E and 4000 GA remaining, and this was before RA was released. As of post-Christmas-New-Year's, I was told that VERY LITTLE of ALL the rare cards remain. Furthermore, you stated something about those decks retaining their worth - sure they do, until E throws a "buy $50 of stuff, get a free X deck" specials. Then the price drops because the market gets flooded with them. But it doesn't take long for the glut to disappear and the prices to go back up again.
A few of you were trying to guess what the new releases would be on Friday. The White Monarchs deck and uncut sheet were being counted as TWO of those releases. Guess what? Judging from this quote, posted by Bayme in the T11 forum on this release, they ARE NOT being counted among the six releases. This was in response to someone griping about why they didn't just sell the decks like normal.
Nevertheless, if the White Monarchs aren't of interest, then by all means disregard that part of my message and look forward to SIX new releases on Friday. The White Monarchs were just something nice we thought we would do as icing on the cake.
So, six releases, AND the White Monarchs deck, and the WM uncuts. Lotsa stuff going up for grabs...
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Thanks for pointing that out Don. And since there won't be the Rebel deck in there, it's hard to guess what they'll all be!
http://forums.theory11.com/showthread.php?36790-SIX-New-Releases-Free-White-Monarchs-Friday!&p=386957#post386957 (http://forums.theory11.com/showthread.php?36790-SIX-New-Releases-Free-White-Monarchs-Friday%21&p=386957#post386957)
This is what was in that post from Bayme:
(http://forums.theory11.com/images/misc/quote_icon.png) Originally Posted by Justin.Morris (http://forums.theory11.com/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png) (http://forums.theory11.com/showthread.php?p=386956#post386956) I'm hoping for rebels, and I'd be excited about Totally out of Control.
Just to prevent any false hope, the mystery releases are neither of those - yet. ;) This is a set of something that we have never mentioned - and it hasn't existed to my knowledge in over a century.
So, it seems like Totally Out of Control DVD will be coming out pretty soon!!!!!!!!! I'm SO EXCITED!
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saw this on another board and thought i would share. Sorry if this is repetitive.
On two occasions, we have attempted to sell White Monarchs. On two occasions, we have failed. The demand was astronomical, and even after ramping up our servers 500%, the surge in traffic tore our servers apart. So this Friday, we're NOT going to sell White Monarchs. We're going to give them away.
For 12 hours only - from 11am to 11pm EDT - we will be including one deck of White Monarchs with every shipped order over $50. For each shipped order over $100, we'll be including a White Monarch UNCUT SHEET and a deck of White Monarch Playing Cards - on the house. A gift, a present, from us to you.
Join us on Friday and be a part of the action. 12 hours only. From 11:00am EDT to 11:00pm EDT."
Posted on the other board at 3:20 pm June 20th.
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@theory11: White Gold Monarchs. The first release window: ONE HOUR ONLY this Friday at 11:00pm EST. http://t.co/cIAc8OXUpT
I believe these are a 2nd printing or v2. They have the new stamp cut seal.
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I would love for the card backs to be inverted so there is more gold ink on the back, but I think that is wishful thinking.
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Guys, I broke this out into a separate topic. While it looks like the same deck, the fact that they're using a different name for it might be a sign of something different. Msp062 might have hit the nail on the head. Wouldn't be the first time they made all-metalllic-ink backs.
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Guys, I broke this out into a separate topic. While it looks like the same deck, the fact that they're using a different name for it might be a sign of something different. Msp062 might have hit the nail on the head. Wouldn't be the first time they made all-metalllic-ink backs.
Per JB on expose, "the most distinguishable difference" to this deck and the 1st white monarchs is the foil seal. It sounds like, while they are different from each other the cards are the same. Also theory11 called the original white monarchs on the 2013 Christmas contest wheel "White Gold" monarchs. White Gold is just a name to better clarify it for customers.
Update: theory11 posted the back design today. They are essentially what we used to know as white monarchs. Still a great deck and I'm happy for people who never got one. Let's call a duck, a duck. It's a v2 white monarch.
I'm damned if I don't us the old thread, damned if I do! :))
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Guys, I broke this out into a separate topic. While it looks like the same deck, the fact that they're using a different name for it might be a sign of something different. Msp062 might have hit the nail on the head. Wouldn't be the first time they made all-metalllic-ink backs.
Per JB on expose, "the most distinguishable difference" to this deck and the 1st white monarchs is the foil seal. It sounds like, while they are different from each other the cards are the same. Also theory11 called the original white monarchs on the 2013 Christmas contest wheel "White Gold" monarchs. White Gold is just a name to better clarify it for customers.
Update: theory11 posted the back design today. They are essentially what we used to know as white monarchs. Still a great deck and I'm happy for people who never got one. Let's call a duck, a duck. It's a v2 white monarch.
I'm damned if I don't us the old thread, damned if I do! :))
Fair enough - I'll reunite them! Also found another White Monarchs topic and attached it here as well.
It's a shame they didn't do something more special. But then again, did they or didn't they at some point announce they weren't creating any new colors for the Monarchs?
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I grabbed a few of these. I really enjoyed the Silver monarchs and now that they've released these gold on whites, I think I'm going to enjoy them as well. I don't know how well the gold will pop on the card backs yet, don't have them in hand to play a game with. Pretty excited though haha. Granted, I get excited over the simplest things sometimes, don't hold it against me haha.
What's this new colors they were supposed to be creating for monarchs? Will we see a black/silver deck?
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What's this new colors they were supposed to be creating for monarchs? Will we see a black/silver deck?
I was mentioning the opposite - that I thought they decided to release NO more new colors. I could be mixing them up with E and the Artifice deck - that one ended with the Gold Artifice for Black Club members.
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What's this new colors they were supposed to be creating for monarchs? Will we see a black/silver deck?
I was mentioning the opposite - that I thought they decided to release NO more new colors. I could be mixing them up with E and the Artifice deck - that one ended with the Gold Artifice for Black Club members.
Yea, I see that now haha, learn to read Fes. Probably shouldn't hit the comp first thing when I stumble in the door. I think you're right, that was E with the Artifice deck. I don't recall any mention of no new colors on Monarchs out of T11. Still holding out hope for a black/silver to be a reality there.;)
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What's this new colors they were supposed to be creating for monarchs? Will we see a black/silver deck?
I was mentioning the opposite - that I thought they decided to release NO more new colors. I could be mixing them up with E and the Artifice deck - that one ended with the Gold Artifice for Black Club members.
Technically, its not a "new" color. You are still correct.
You really start to appreciate companies that continue to be fair to customers at this point in the playing card game. They got me thinking about Black Friday.
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Yeah, hats off to Theory 11! I truly appreciated the opportunity to buy these. I picked up a couple bricks.
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What's this new colors they were supposed to be creating for monarchs? Will we see a black/silver deck?
I was mentioning the opposite - that I thought they decided to release NO more new colors. I could be mixing them up with E and the Artifice deck - that one ended with the Gold Artifice for Black Club members.
Yea, I see that now haha, learn to read Fes. Probably shouldn't hit the comp first thing when I stumble in the door. I think you're right, that was E with the Artifice deck. I don't recall any mention of no new colors on Monarchs out of T11. Still holding out hope for a black/silver to be a reality there.;)
I dunno. Metallic ink is darker than most realize - it's why the shine is so hard to photograph, I think. Silver's a bit brighter than gold, to be sure, but they'd probably have to beef up the size of the line work for it to really look good.
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So, if i get correctly: T11 said the white gold monarchs will never be printed again.
Then, on the release windows, a V2 version shows up.
Although i'm sure they both are limited edition, it's still unclear to me if they are that rare after a 2nd print, and how many decks they have.
i know i'm annoying, but i like transparency when a company is promoting a product, otherwise could be just be a bait for costumers (this is not the case, but you get the idea).
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Well just like the other company like D&D as well as E, they are all running business.
They will say something similar along that line, to attract more buyers or collectors.
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yes, i understand that.
but on the other hand it's like declaring false: they said they would never be reprinted.
suppose they'll make a v3 white monarchs... would you still consider that deck a limited edition?
NOTE: i'm personally glad they reprinted the deck, now i can own one too, but that lowers the intrinsec value at the same time.
from a collector's point of view of course
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I agree with you there, but for them it is not something that bother them.
They might be able to print v3 but again with different seal, and that will change the price entirely, for both v1 and v2. They also never reveal how many are printed, so they can release that in smaller batch and wait for the price to fluctuate before releasing the rest of the batch. They make these collector crave for their decks.
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NOTE: i'm personally glad they reprinted the deck, now i can own one too, but that lowers the intrinsec value at the same time.
from a collector's point of view of course
I think reprints of limited decks raises the value of the V1s assuming there is a way to tell the two apart. I know that if I wanted a deck of cards I would seek out the first run when I could, not the reprint, and pay a premium for it.
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Reprints, from the perspective of a collector of a modern deck, harm the value of the original. The design, now suddenly available in larger numbers, is less sought-after as some collectors will buy the second printing and consider it to be good enough for their purposes.
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As a collector, I agree wholeheartedly with Don. I already had examples of both versions, but decided not to buy any from this release. I checked the V2 selling prices (actual completed auctions where the item sold), and most decks were only a few dollars more that the price of this release, with a few decks even selling for the "new" price. If they are selling at list price before the "last ones ever/we found some in the warehouse/last of our stock/et cetera" group is released, then the value will remain flat at, or near, retail price. In my mind, the new version released did hurt the value of the first version significantly. Based on selling prices, I'd say that it's a similar thing.
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As a collector, I agree wholeheartedly with Don. I already had examples of both versions, but decided not to buy any from this release. I checked the V2 selling prices (actual completed auctions where the item sold), and most decks were only a few dollars more that the price of this release, with a few decks even selling for the "new" price. If they are selling at list price before the "last ones ever/we found some in the warehouse/last of our stock/et cetera" group is released, then the value will remain flat at, or near, retail price. In my mind, the new version released did hurt the value of the first version significantly. Based on selling prices, I'd say that it's a similar thing.
Consider, as I play devil's advocate to you as well (!), a different possible outcome. Granted, while there will be some collectors that will "settle" for the second edition instead of shelling out the extra for the first, thus causing the first to drop in value, there's also the factor that there will be people buying the second who would never have bought the first, as it was out of their price range or otherwise too difficult to obtain. If an adequate distinction is created between the two editions, there's a chance they can co-exist without having too heavy a negative impact on the market value - but there'd have to be a CLEAR, easily-distinguished difference between them, something akin to a design change, thus making the second edition not a true copy of the first and giving it a value in its own right, albeit a lower one (unless it happens to be rarer than the first)!
I finally went and took a look at the differences between the original and 2nd edition White Monarchs. T11 is clearly making a money-grab with this and I'm not a fan. They've been known to do this before - many people don't realize that they actually continue reprinting some of their older decks long after they've sold out on their website, selling them to retailers rather than direct to consumers. The original "black" Stingers and the Propaganda deck are the two most blatantly-obvious examples of this. Both were originally issued in the Cincinnati plant, but both are also to be found in the market with Erlanger markings as well from at least one subsequent printing made since the original release - something that T11 doesn't exactly advertise. There's a comment about this somewhere on this forum where someone contacted a rep from T11 who confirmed that this is their practice. No one knows just how many of each of their "rare" and "sold-out" decks are out there, my friends.
This deck would be among the infrequent instances that the company admits to making a second edition, to the point that they advertise it as a feature. Previous such occasions came with the second editions of Bicycle Guardians (not counting the USPC version), DeckONE Industrial Edition, Bicycle Titanium (both colors) and Sentinels.
Guardians are a very interesting example - those were printed TWICE in the first edition, with a slight variation in the company logo between printings being the giveaway. (The variation was pointed out to someone who claimed the second printing was in fact a second edition when I was buying second edition Guardians from him - the old logo had what appeared to be hand-drawn digits ("11") in the logo in white with a yellow circle drawn around them; the first printing had shorter serifs on the digits than the second printing, where they are elongated almost to the point of looking like "77" instead of "11." The second edition (third printing? :)) ) had a completely revamped logo, the one they're still using today, with a more modern-looking stylized chrome-esque "11" in a circle, done with metallic ink.
No one knows how many printings were made of the decks that were first printed in Erlanger, but judging from prior company practice, I'd be inclined to say that at least some have since been reprinted and sold to retailers, despite being no longer available at theory11.com.