I'm split on these two products:
1) I'm loving the fact that they decided to make the Arcanes in red. However, I can't see them going together.
2) I'm not very fond the the borderless Artifices, because they might potentially lower the cost of the v1's.
Think of it how you may.
Woah. This is epic. I also heard Bout a possible v1 green artifice (borderless). I can't wait!
I'm split on these two products:
1) I'm loving the fact that they decided to make the Arcanes in red. However, I can't see them going together.
2) I'm not very fond the the borderless Artifices, because they might potentially lower the cost of the v1's.
Think of it how you may.
I love the Red Arcanes the most, because the originals were among my favorite decks ever.
I'm not as keen on a "v2" of the Red Artifice, especially so close to the Purple release, but based on what I asked it doesn't seem like the v2 will be limited like the v1 release. It seems their goal with v2 is to have it available for mass consumption.
I really don't think it will drive down the value of the v1 RA, and this is coming from someone who has several of them.
EDIT: I have a feeling the Red Arcanes are going to be followed by Blue Arcanes, and I bet those will be limited just like the Gold. A few months ago, Marcus said they were on their last batch of Gold Arcanes, so this seems like a plausible way to restock their prize and special offer pool.
I don't know how i should feel...
E said green artifice was the last of the artifice but obviously that was a big fucking lie x2! Not only releasing a purple with black borders but a red with white borders!
The Red arcane i am totally down with. I always and i mean ALWAYS wanted to open a gold arcane and just use it. And while red obviously isn't the same as gold i assume the color scheme will stay the same.
And i guess sultan republic is put on the back burner : D
Damn, the red Arcane looks sick! Gonna be picking those up for sure, but I'm not all too sure my wallet can hold up to all these releases...
I would also guess that the v2 red artifice will probably be bordered, following the v1 - v2 pattern so far. As some others have said, this probably won't lower the v1's value by too much, but I'm sure the price will definitely take a hit.
Well I guess this goes to show that the community is pretty easy to fool... :\Yes sir. We just got punked.
That Sucks... :(I'm sorry for all the confusion. I saw this photo on my Facebook feed, and was just going off of what I heard.
Upon closer inspection, I can see the photoshop work.
If it was fake, how could they get the picture to "leak" from Ellusionist's site?
You mentioned it being confirmed by a reliable source. Facebook is not always a reliable source lolThat Sucks... :(I'm sorry for all the confusion. I saw this photo on my Facebook feed, and was just going off of what I heard.
Upon closer inspection, I can see the photoshop work.
If it was fake, how could they get the picture to "leak" from Ellusionist's site?
Why is this thread not locked?
I hesitate to say this, but as much as I fancy the idea, I really don't think a red arcane could work. What makes the arcane cards so beautiful - to me, is that they are pretty much a borderless deck - without any of the performance flaws that borderless decks come with due to the subtlety of the border design. I fear that adding red to the back design would significantly diminish this feature of the cards.
Why is this thread not locked?
The decks don't exist, the picture was posted by some guy with photoshop, and the decks most likely will never exist.
I'm sure there is enough interest in them printing non-limited gold arcanes but that won't happen.The decks don't exist, the picture was posted by some guy with photoshop, and the decks most likely will never exist.
What makes you say that?
If we batted the idea around here a bit longer, got enough people interested in it, we could perhaps begin a write-in campaign to request the red designs. There certainly seems to be enough interest in them... Any smart retailer would listen when their customers are clamoring for something that they can deliver.
I'm sure there is enough interest in them printing non-limited gold arcanes but that won't happen.The decks don't exist, the picture was posted by some guy with photoshop, and the decks most likely will never exist.
What makes you say that?
If we batted the idea around here a bit longer, got enough people interested in it, we could perhaps begin a write-in campaign to request the red designs. There certainly seems to be enough interest in them... Any smart retailer would listen when their customers are clamoring for something that they can deliver.
It was more of a hyperbole and not meant to be taken literally.I'm sure there is enough interest in them printing non-limited gold arcanes but that won't happen.The decks don't exist, the picture was posted by some guy with photoshop, and the decks most likely will never exist.
What makes you say that?
If we batted the idea around here a bit longer, got enough people interested in it, we could perhaps begin a write-in campaign to request the red designs. There certainly seems to be enough interest in them... Any smart retailer would listen when their customers are clamoring for something that they can deliver.
Are you sure they could? I thought they said the destroyed the plates or something? and do we really want gold arcanes to be common? and not rare at all? all the people who spent a lot would feel bad.
A non-limited Gold Arcane deck is not a new deck or even a new color - it's the same deck as the present Gold Arcane, so no, they wouldn't do that, and there's a few thousand people who would agree that it's not a good idea, all of which own the Gold Arcane.It was more of a hyperbole and not meant to be taken literally.I'm sure there is enough interest in them printing non-limited gold arcanes but that won't happen.Are you sure they could? I thought they said the destroyed the plates or something? and do we really want gold arcanes to be common? and not rare at all? all the people who spent a lot would feel bad.
Why are you being so bitter about people discussing playing cards?It was more of a hyperbole and not meant to be taken literally.I'm sure there is enough interest in them printing non-limited gold arcanes but that won't happen.The decks don't exist, the picture was posted by some guy with photoshop, and the decks most likely will never exist.
What makes you say that?
If we batted the idea around here a bit longer, got enough people interested in it, we could perhaps begin a write-in campaign to request the red designs. There certainly seems to be enough interest in them... Any smart retailer would listen when their customers are clamoring for something that they can deliver.
Are you sure they could? I thought they said the destroyed the plates or something? and do we really want gold arcanes to be common? and not rare at all? all the people who spent a lot would feel bad.
Come on now, who wouldn't buy a Red/Black Arcane and a Blue/White Arcane?
The RED arcane deck was actually part of a prototype deck, according to Daniel Madison in his weekly webcast with Ellusionist - Revelations. He mentions it somewhere in the middle of the webcast.just before the 5 mins mark. Enjoy.
Yeah of course now Red Arcane is a "prototype" after my mock up proved to be so in demand. :P
Yeah of course now Red Arcane is a "prototype" after my mock up proved to be so in demand. :P
HEY! Remember who told you to make the mock up!
Yeah of course now Red Arcane is a "prototype" after my mock up proved to be so in demand. :P
If there going to make this Red Arcane similar to that of the Gold Arcane, I can say that I'll be down for it. Just please don't make an endless line of color variations, and just don't make a few colors unlimited and the rest rarities. Just some food for thought...
I guess Don was right about when there is a demand there will be a suply.
I really hope these are released sometime soon because they are going to be awesome. I wonder if they will go like the gold arcane and just do accents and pips with red or go like the white and black artifices and go all red.
I think traces would look best.
All the pips on the court cards are gold, which in this case would be equivalent to black, and all of the values are gold.Wait. I'm confused. i thought gold was equivalent to red. If the pips were red on a black background, wouldn't that be easy to read?
All the pips on the court cards are gold, which in this case would be equivalent to black, and all of the values are gold.Wait. I'm confused. i thought gold was equivalent to red. If the pips were red on a black background, wouldn't that be easy to read?
ALL of the court cards, regardless of card "color", have GOLD PIPS. This means that spades and clubs are the same color as hearts and diamonds.Oh, okay. i understand you now. I forgot the part about the Gold Arcane having all gold pips . Now, that makes sense! With that new persespective, I can say I'm very curious to see how Ellusionist pulls off this deck color...IF THEIR DOING IT AT ALL!
They should create red arcanes, send it out to black club members (just like Madison rounders) and see what members have to say .. Then again, greedy people might just sell them on eBay hmmmm ...
Wow. Talk about conspiracy theory and conjecture!
Red Arcanes exist, yes... As a prototype. I think they may have actually been created BEFORE the Gold Arcane, but without actually looking at Pre-Press dates, I couldn't be sure. I'd take the rumors you hear with a grain of salt - the prototypes that exist, exist in an unconventional way - are we going to make those prototypes available? Well, wh7n I sycg th88; &&&GI FL --sorry-- p9yhcew ;iucuhi g6go --going through a tunnel-- 88uj (^OT%(*P#g u%%......
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WHo gets HUNDREDS of prototypes made??
I'm pretty sure they owe me and a few others here $$ for marketing this for them. :P
So...
1. They just happened to "misplace" an extremely valuable "Prototype".
2. As CBJ said, why does one company need loads of proto's
3. If I am wrong please correct me. But doesn't a prototype deck cost $400 a pop?
4. They just happened to be offered to be printed and were accidentally overrun.
Do you think they will be released for non black club members? If not, ellusionist may have a new member soon.
Surely after they first discovered a supposedly misplaced/hidden several hundred uncut sheets in the warehouse they would have gone looking for more treasures.
I don't think E would want to release a limited deck anytime soon. Everytime on their facebook page when a new deck is being released half of the comments are along the lines of, "I hope this deck isn't a limited release." It shits me to tears...
Surely after they first discovered a supposedly misplaced/hidden several hundred uncut sheets in the warehouse they would have gone looking for more treasures.
Hmm... I've never heard of anyone or anything being "shat to tears"... I'm not even clear on what that means!
Hmm... I've never heard of anyone or anything being "shat to tears"... I'm not even clear on what that means!I guess it's more of an Australian thing (slang). If I'm not wrong, agera94 is from the Gold Coast. It means really annoyed or being pissed off. I actually haven't heard the phrase for a while though.
Btw, Red Arcane are here...the uncut sheets.
When we decided to print a limited edition Arcane deck, we played with idea of two different colors. Gold and Red. After reviewing them both, we decided to go with gold. We had a small run of Red Arcane sheets printed that we intended to use for E staff and exclusive artists.
We recently pulled them out and offered them to Black Club....
The response was amazing. We're offering a small number for general release, after which we've reserved another 50 sheets which will go into the Black Club until they're gone.
Only 250 sheets will be offered.
This has been the topic of discussion in this exact thread. Please just scroll up and you won't have to post what we've already seen.
Anyone know how come the international shipment for ellusionist is more expensive than other company ?
Anyone know how come the international shipment for ellusionist is more expensive than other company ?
Anyone know how come the international shipment for ellusionist is more expensive than other company ?
I'm pretty sure the wide variations in shipping prices between companies are due to some including full insurance for loss and damage and some only partial or none at all.
Anyone know how come the international shipment for ellusionist is more expensive than other company ?
No idea, but I made a comment on one of the revelations videos about opening up a UK based ellusionist. One of the E crew replied that they have some big news regarding international shipping - this was a couple months back though so god knows when it will come into play, unless it already has :/
250 prototypes... Still smells a little fishy. Oh well, if someone here buys one please let us all know when they were printed please.
I wonder if you'd still get the deck if you joined now.
I don't think I will believe anything any of these companies say any more on the forums or elsewhere. Ellusionist are liars, D&D are liars, Blue Crown are probably the worst, and Theory11 ain't no saint either, lol. That being said though i'm still getting the deck, lol. I think they are really doing this to try and entice people to join or rejoin the club now that the 1 year memberships are almost done.
I think Don's point 6 hit is best. When a company sees an opportunity of course they're going to take it. I can't fault them for it. I wish I was a Black Club member to get a complimentary deck. I'll have to wait until the Holiday Sale to see what kind of promotion they're running.
I don't think I will believe anything any of these companies say any more on the forums or elsewhere. Ellusionist are liars...
1) They considered and designed a red Arcane deck.
2) They did a test print of uncuts.
3) For whatever reason, it wasn't made.
4) The uncuts go on sale.
5) People eat 'em up, love the design, beg E to actually make the deck.
6) Seeing an opportunity, they make the deck as a holiday 2013 premium.
7) They toss Black Club members a free deck - in essence, tossing them a bone to make them happy they're members, also making them more inclined to renew said membership, which by now has pretty much paid for itself or is close to it for most members.
I'm happy I'm in the Black Club, that's for sure. It wasn't cheap, but it was worth it in the end.
I don't think I will believe anything any of these companies say any more on the forums or elsewhere. Ellusionist are liars...
Uh, excuse me? Say what you will of other companies (actually, that said I can't think to fault Dan and Dave on the honesty front either) but I'm not going to sit here while you libel against a company where I personally have been in charge of the marketing and public outreach for three years.
At no time has anything we've said been a lie. There have been cases beyond our control where timeframes have changed (Pure Smoke Colors anyone?) and instances where our business decisions have changed over time, always to the benefit of the customer - but no point when we could be accused of being 'liars'.
Jake, I honestly think the kid was just kidding, despite my responding to him as the straight man. He ended that sentence with "lol" and followed with a statement about how he's getting one - he's likely a Black Club member. ... I felt, on a second reading, that Victor (vmagic) was simply spoofing one of those rants.
Now, if only the Black Club ring came in a better variety of sizes... :)) I still need to get mine resized.I hear you on that point. Mine's just slightly too small to be worn on any of the three middle fingers, and just slightly too large to be worn as a pinky ring.
I know this is kind of off topic of the rest of the conversation, but has any other club member not recieved te promotional email?
For those who aren't Black Club members and want the deck - you will have a chance to get them at the end of the month as part of our Holiday Giveaway. Think 'LTD' of two years ago.
I'm not a black club member.
I emailed ellusionist support and they were really good at getting back to me, very prompt.
I tried what they suggested - no joy on the code putting a red arcane deck in my cart.
Putting the black club membership in my cart did activate the 5% discount, but not the red arcane offer :(.
So looks like non members can't join and take advantage of the offer.
Although, if anyone does join and the code works AFTER you've bought the membership... please tell me/post here? Pretty please :D?
As Jake (Xntrix) mentioned below, if you have problems getting the deck deal after joining, contact him. His email address is in his signature at the bottom of all of his posts. He works for E and can get you squared away.
If that's the case, then Victor - I apologize. I missed the context of your post.
QuoteIf that's the case, then Victor - I apologize. I missed the context of your post.
No need to apologize. I don't think he is kidding.
https://twitter.com/vjose32/status/394586473564880896 (https://twitter.com/vjose32/status/394586473564880896)
As Jake (Xntrix) mentioned below, if you have problems getting the deck deal after joining, contact him. His email address is in his signature at the bottom of all of his posts. He works for E and can get you squared away.
On one hand Don, thanks for pointing that out to me :D. I missed that Jake works for Ellusionist.
On the other hand... dammit now I have more things to try and stretch my limited funds over XD *prepares to crunch budgeting numbers*
As Jake (Xntrix) mentioned below, if you have problems getting the deck deal after joining, contact him. His email address is in his signature at the bottom of all of his posts. He works for E and can get you squared away.
On one hand Don, thanks for pointing that out to me :D. I missed that Jake works for Ellusionist.
On the other hand... dammit now I have more things to try and stretch my limited funds over XD *prepares to crunch budgeting numbers*
It worked for me when I was joined to the Black Club :) I've got the two limited Black Artifice decks per member in the same order. Too bad I didn't join BC before the two or three orders that I've made. I hesitate to make that decision...but sometimes wishes do not coincide with money and other problems.
QuoteIf that's the case, then Victor - I apologize. I missed the context of your post.
No need to apologize. I don't think he is kidding.
https://twitter.com/vjose32/status/394586473564880896 (https://twitter.com/vjose32/status/394586473564880896)
Not to mention he's said it on one of his YouTube videos. Has anyone received a deck yet?
QuoteIf that's the case, then Victor - I apologize. I missed the context of your post.
No need to apologize. I don't think he is kidding.
https://twitter.com/vjose32/status/394586473564880896 (https://twitter.com/vjose32/status/394586473564880896)
Not to mention he's said it on one of his YouTube videos. Has anyone received a deck yet?
If that's the case, then he's acting like an idiot and deserves what he gets.
BTW: that Twitter link points to a recent post about Dan and Dave's supposed S&M v8 deck release which never happened. He was assuming the purple deck was v8, I believe.