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Playing Card Chat ♠ ♥ ♣ ♦ => Playing Card Plethora => Topic started by: vmagic on October 02, 2012, 08:21:45 PM
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Just stumbled upon this on Kickstarter, looks pretty interesting and is completely custom but a little pricier. And for a change there is something different than dice, they offer a shirt! And this deck is already almost funded!
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1537415287/a-deck-of-playing-cards-by-pedale-design (http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1537415287/a-deck-of-playing-cards-by-pedale-design)
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To be honest they do not look half bad. The resemble the sentinels somewhat.
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This deck reminds me of the ghost deck, mostly black and white, doesn't seem to have much of a theme though
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This deck reminds me of the ghost deck, mostly black and white, doesn't seem to have much of a theme though
It does, more of a secret society/cult deck
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To be honest they do not look half bad. The resemble the sentinels somewhat.
I definitely get the Sentinels vibe too, which isn't bad at all. Just saw from the KS video that it will be a USPC deck, but I wonder how many decks will be printed
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Me likey. Simple and minimal. Cool looking court cards. I liked the Sentinel design so I guess this deck appeals to me too.
Will be getting some for my collection.
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I think the deck is awesome and I love it but the price is too high.
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Yeah the price is a bit high but it's definitely not the most expensive deck of cards i've ever bought. It seems like he will be printing a minimum amount of decks unless of course he gets a bunch of backers.
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As of now, the deck is in overfunding territory. It couldn't have been up long; I troll the KS projects looking for deck projects and this didn't show up on my most recent "sweep".
There's no denying that it's a beautiful deck. But it's expensive AND it's rather impractical. A plainly one-way back and face cards with indices on lefts corners for some, right corners for others? It just doesn't work for me. I could deal with the one-way, but that index issue just doesn't go away. In some ways it's an homage to decks that existed in the antebellum years immediately following the American Civil War, but there's a REASON why deck designs changed so much since then. I like the Freemasons-esque vibe, for sure, but that alone isn't enough for me.
It's very plain that this guy's an artist with zero prior experience designing playing cards - this is more of an art project than an attempt at making a serious, practical deck. Beauty and all, I have to pass on this.
See, this is why fledgling deck designers need to hire a project consultant! :))
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Hey Guys,
I was encouraged by some backers of my KickStarter project to get connected on this forum.
I have received a fare amount of positive and negative feedback on the project, and want to say that I am new to this culture and have a lot to learn. This deck isn't for everyone, but I thought that I would share it with you guys.
Thanks!
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1537415287/a-deck-of-playing-cards-by-pedale-design
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Hi Tyler, nice to see you here; welcome to The Discourse!
Just as a head's up, this thread will probably be merged with the existing one about your deck:
http://aethercards.com/discourse/playing-card-plethora/new-ks-deck-misc-goods-co-by-pedale-design/
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Hey guys I am the designer of the above deck. Don Boyer nailed it. My initial market for the cards was for the casual player ... to be honest, I am just now being introduced to the community at large. I was referencing older decks for inspiration, and wasn't considering competitive card players while initially designing it. Looking back, I would probably change this execution ... but what is done is done. The aesthetic is definitely niche, but its what I am into. Thanks for posting this Vmagic.
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Sure no problem, glad to help.
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Hi Tyler, nice to see you here; welcome to The Discourse!
Just as a head's up, this thread will probably be merged with the existing one about your deck:
http://aethercards.com/discourse/playing-card-plethora/new-ks-deck-misc-goods-co-by-pedale-design/ (http://aethercards.com/discourse/playing-card-plethora/new-ks-deck-misc-goods-co-by-pedale-design/)
Done and done!
Your deck is a very beautiful one, without doubt. The art is impressive. The major issue would be how the indices are on all four corners for the "spot" cards of Ace through 10, while the court cards have only two indices, on opposite corners, but not always the same opposite corners. It does make holding a hand of cards a bit more difficult without some major rearranging.
The one-way back design is very attractive. Under most circumstances, card players and magicians tend to prefer either a two-way back design or a one-way back that's very subtly marked and appears two-way at a glance. But flourishers and collectors can be a bit less particular, especially if the card back is very attractive. For some collectors, only the box need look nice - they never actually open their decks, happy to collect them and keep them sealed.
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The deck is gorgeous and unique, indeed. The aesthetics is alluring and I'm sure backing it (and yeah, I'll grab that one nice t-shirt too).
Still, I'm impressed by the amount of attention and backers this project was able to gather (and is still gathering), specially considering the crowded recent scenario on KS.
I noticed this is the only deck allocated into the Graphic Design category, over the traditionally used Board & Card Games category. Can this possibly be the reason for the mentioned phenomenon?
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Sway, I have been asking my self the same thing. Why is this deck so successful? I don't know. It was featured on uncrate.com ... which has led to 40% of my sales thus far. It also made an impression on some of my favorite designers, and they Retweeted it ... reaching tens of thousands of people.
It is also interesting to me the differences in the design market and the card collectors market. Most collectors have scoffed at the deck being $15 dollars (which I didn't realize this was abnormal until I launched the deck), but the rest of my backers have shown awe in it being so cheap. This is because I come from a community that gladly charges $30 a poster that only displays one illustration. The deck has 20+ illustrations, although small.
I appreciate everyones perspectives. I can't guarantee a second edition that will work for magicians and competitive players ... but it is certainly on my radar.
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Sway, I have been asking my self the same thing. Why is this deck so successful? I don't know. It was featured on uncrate.com ... which has led to 40% of my sales thus far. It also made an impression on some of my favorite designers, and they Retweeted it ... reaching tens of thousands of people.
It is also interesting to me the differences in the design market and the card collectors market. Most collectors have scoffed at the deck being $15 dollars (which I didn't realize this was abnormal until I launched the deck), but the rest of my backers have shown awe in it being so cheap. This is because I come from a community that gladly charges $30 a poster that only displays one illustration. The deck has 20+ illustrations, although small.
I appreciate everyones perspectives. I can guarantee a second edition that will work for magicians and competitive players ... but it is certainly on my radar.
Design items generally tend to cost more, true - and playing cards tend to cost less. I've seen a number of "high design" decks that sold for a multiple of what a custom deck normally does - compared to theirs, yours is actually cheap!
If you want a consultant for design, feel free to ask. Also, throwing your design on the Design and Development Board will get you many, many minds chiming in.
Congratulations on your astounding success!
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It is also interesting to me the differences in the design market and the card collectors market. Most collectors have scoffed at the deck being $15 dollars (which I didn't realize this was abnormal until I launched the deck), but the rest of my backers have shown awe in it being so cheap. This is because I come from a community that gladly charges $30 a poster that only displays one illustration. The deck has 20+ illustrations, although small.
I appreciate everyones perspectives. I can't guarantee a second edition that will work for magicians and competitive players ... but it is certainly on my radar.
Tyler, you have a lot to be proud of --- over 700% funding in just 5 days! Congratulations to you :D
We certainly hope to see more from you, and $15 for your deck is mighty affordable when it comes to graphic design prints. Are you planning a 5,000 deck print run for this edition?
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Wow! 700% funding within a few days! I just hope that with this funding the cards will be made in premium stock and finish. I like the simplicity of the cards with intricate design 8) The pricing for a 10 deck pledge should be upgraded to a brick so customers who pledged for it can also get a custom box! lol
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It's nearly at 800% already...
I've predicted in the NDR that this will quite possibly be the first deck project at KS to break into the six digits and earn over $100,000 in pledges. I think it could even go much higher, if the present rate of investment continues - maybe even in the $150,000-200,000 range. I've never seen any deck literally leap off the starting blocks like this one has.
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If your right Don, I will buy you a beer(s).
Thank you all for the support. Working hard on meeting all of the new demand.
Here's a sneek peek of the Joker card ... still early stages, working hard on it.
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This is a very interesting project. I wonder how many people buying this are "card people" vs regular folk who stumble upon it. It's certainly making me think hard about the pricing of these custom decks that have months of hard labor thrown at them. Certainly, people aren't being shy about throwing $15/deck at this one....
Well done. Perhaps the card market needed an outsider who simply jumped in to show what is possible.
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As of now, the deck is in overfunding territory. It couldn't have been up long; I troll the KS projects looking for deck projects and this didn't show up on my most recent "sweep".
There's no denying that it's a beautiful deck. But it's expensive AND it's rather impractical. A plainly one-way back and face cards with indices on lefts corners for some, right corners for others? It just doesn't work for me. I could deal with the one-way, but that index issue just doesn't go away. In some ways it's an homage to decks that existed in the antebellum years immediately following the American Civil War, but there's a REASON why deck designs changed so much since then. I like the Freemasons-esque vibe, for sure, but that alone isn't enough for me.
It's very plain that this guy's an artist with zero prior experience designing playing cards - this is more of an art project than an attempt at making a serious, practical deck. Beauty and all, I have to pass on this.
See, this is why fledgling deck designers need to hire a project consultant! :))
I have to recant some of what was said here. Even I was swept up by the attractiveness of the project and kicked in for two decks. It's still a very impractical deck, but it's no less beautiful for it.
The deck could EASILY be made into something more practical, without a major design overhaul. It would be as simple as tweaking the court cards, either through flipping the art or making other, more detailed adjustments, so that the corner indices appear in either the left corners OR the right corners, rather than some one way and some the other.
And yes, Paul - this does show what can be done. But this is no ordinary deck, and it's initial and still-strongest support is coming (I would wager) more from design enthusiasts than from card enthusiasts - first and foremost, I see this as a beautiful DESIGN project, and its category clearly shows the designer's intent in this as well.
BTW: Pedale Design - I don't drink beer (or any alcohol) any more, but maybe I could talk you into a nice steak dinner somewhere here in New York! :))
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New Update: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1537415287/a-deck-of-playing-cards-by-pedale-design/posts/324956
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Heres that Joker I was talking about.
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Heres that Joker I was talking about.
I like this, a lot. Elements of Celtic knot design, but very unique. Your corner indices are also very, very cool - I've never seen one quite like it.
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Wow! I can't believe this topic doesn't have more views... I just saw your decks, and it is amazing. The artwork and design are beautiful and sooooo intricate. It is plainly splendid (no surprise it's gotten such a high funding with almost 2 weeks left)! Now, despite the fact that it isn't very practical for magic and cardistry, it is, after all, a graphic design project more than a deck of playing cards itself. I mean, it is both, but it's main points seems to be design rather than use. Now, I think the reason why some collectors, magicians, flourishers and resellers complained about the price is that many tend to buy multiples of each deck so they can use them to their heart's content while still having reserves left just in case. However, the cheapest price on your page is 10$ per deck if we buy 10 decks. On kickstarter deck projects, that is usually the maximum price for 1 deck w/shipping, with prices reaching as low as 5$ (if you buy a gross).
Anyways, your project is amazing, and I wish you the best of luck.
Sincerely,
Nathan
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Your deck is incredible looking! I absolutely love the artwork! I would pledge for a bunch but $15 is too much for me.
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Wow! I can't believe this topic doesn't have more views... I just saw your decks, and it is amazing. The artwork and design are beautiful and sooooo intricate. It is plainly splendid (no surprise it's gotten such a high funding with almost 2 weeks left)! Now, despite the fact that it isn't very practical for magic and cardistry, it is, after all, a graphic design project more than a deck of playing cards itself. I mean, it is both, but it's main points seems to be design rather than use. Now, I think the reason why some collectors, magicians, flourishers and resellers complained about the price is that many tend to buy multiples of each deck so they can use them to their heart's content while still having reserves left just in case. However, the cheapest price on your page is 10$ per deck if we buy 10 decks. On kickstarter deck projects, that is usually the maximum price for 1 deck w/shipping, with prices reaching as low as 5$ (if you buy a gross).
Anyways, your project is amazing, and I wish you the best of luck.
Sincerely,
Nathan
Nathan, this project is hardly starving for funds... He's not going to lower the price! :))
Your deck is incredible looking! I absolutely love the artwork! I would pledge for a bunch but $15 is too much for me.
If it was a plain old pack of Bicycle Rider Backs, I could understand that. But it isn't.
Collectors are a little hesitant to invest because they're used to finding Kickstarter decks that are cheap - cheaper than retail. I can't say that I blame them, really - who doesn't love a bargain. But it's become ingrained in them that a Kickstarter deck is cheap, so when someone comes along with a deck that costs more, well...
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Collectors are a little hesitant to invest because they're used to finding Kickstarter decks that are cheap - cheaper than retail. I can't say that I blame them, really - who doesn't love a bargain. But it's become ingrained in them that a Kickstarter deck is cheap, so when someone comes along with a deck that costs more, well...
I think their issue is that the deck doesn't cost more, nothing Tyler has done sets this deck apart price wise from other decks on Kickstarter.
Kickstarter is set up as a way to "kickstart" ones ideas, so the idea of getting in on the ground floor is kind of part of it, as well as getting in on the ground floor people expect ground floor prices.
That being said, Kickstarter has turned into more of a market place in the last few months than just a place to starter your project or business. Many established businesses are putting projects up on Kickstarter that would be made anyway, sometimes at the same quality or sometimes because of kickstarter they get those last bit of funds. They offer their product at just below retail as an incentive, however they still make profit on them since they don't have to go through retailer.
However this is not the case with Tylers project. Something Don has said before and something that I feel justifies the asking price of this deck is this. Tyler set this project up as a art / design project. I will not comment on if it was done for profit or out of a love of the art form, because that doesn't matter, the fact is he made a great and well thought out deck. If you look at the other playing card projects that were set up as design / art projects you will see they are all in the range of $15 - $20 a deck (the Redraw and Tacoma projects for most recent examples). This is the difference between a deck design/company and a design / artist. The art / design projects are never meant to be as big or go as far they are meant to display the work and talent of the creator first and be a usable deck of playing cards second (I am not saying this deck is not usable). A artist / designer wants to get one or two decks into the hands of multiple people but wants to make sure they get paid for their work. A deck design/company wants to get many decks into the hands of as many people as they can to spread the name of their company and the image of their cards.
Neither of these approaches are right or wrong. Of course the quality of a $15 deck may be the same as that $5 early bird special you picked up. You just have to decide if you like their decision and approach, and then decide if and how you wish to back it.
The thing that makes Tyler's deck different from other art / design deck is the advertising / coverage that his deck has gotten. His deck has been featured on a lot of websites that people with surplus money go to. This has caused his art / design deck to move into the mainstream market and be able to be produced at the levels of the card design/companies.
The only odd example here is probably Uusi. This is a company you probably could hold up against Tyler as why Tyler is asking to much. They are artist / designers selling their decks at the lower "kickstarter" rate. So if you want to compare the two then you could have an argument against Tyler. The point is though that Tyler's is a justified position if you agree with it.
(on a side note though I like Tyler's deck a lot and am glad to see it doing well, I personally feel it does not hold a candle to Uusi's new deck and wish that they could get the buzz going about their deck that Tyler has about his)
Anyway You wasted another perfectly good hour listening to my rambling
and although the IT department permanently wipes all the mainframes when I say it
This is Utterfool
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Utterfool, you're my hero... :))
Seriously, many awesome points made.
I wouldn't say this deck went mainstream. It went main-design-stream. I discussed this with Uusi not long ago.
The kind of people who love "high design" would go crazy for this type of project. These are the kind of people who have a good deal of disposable income (or like to spend like they do). The artist felt his labor was worth more and the market appears to agree.
Many of the companies that are still "Kickstarting" are doing so not because they have to but because they can grow a customer base quickly and easily. Kickstarter seems out to promote the creation of new businesses, mainly in the fields of art and design of one kind or another, be it game design, live theater, motion pictures, watchmaking, etc. But on the other hand, they're not out to be a crutch to companies that have already gotten off the ground - hence the recent restrictions placed on projects regarding rewards. (Any project can give out no more than ten of the item{s} that the project is creating in any given reward tier. An exception was made for playing card projects increasing the limit to twelve, since decks are usually sold in brick boxes by the dozen.) They want to get people at the ground-roots level a shot rather than become just another marketing/sales avenue for people making a buck. That's not to say that they're against profit, but it draws them from their intended mission - without limits, they might as well be Brookstone or (back in its heyday) the Sharper Image.
My rambles are a little less clear than usual right now...I'm getting over an intestinal infection and only started solid food earlier today. :))[/s]
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As Don astutely predicted, this deck is just hours (or minutes) away from crossing the 100K mark on Kickstarter!
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1537415287/a-deck-of-playing-cards-by-pedale-design
Congratulations Tyler!
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The thing that is really the most amazing to me is how well this deck is doing despite Tyler's lack of involvement/interaction with his backers.
The projects I have seen that usually do the bests are the ones where the creator keeps in near constant contact (throug updates and the comments) with the backers. One where they offer plenty of stretch goals and teasers for "cool stuff" to come, which will be revealed when the project reaches some number.
Tyler has done none of this, he has only had 7 updates, done an addition of new items once, and offered no stretch goals. He hasn't really even posted on these forums that much.
It really is amazing how far advertising and getting noticed in the right place can take you. I think The reason you don't see him here or on other card forums that much, is that he realized that we are a small community and early adopters of a deck, we either like it or don't and unless the creator makes major adjustments ( which some have), will probably not change our minds.
I bet you can find Tyler quite busy in some other communities (not card collectors but ones that his deck would still appeal to) with larger populations trying to win them over, and then I bet on to the next.
This is not a criticism it is a observation on why he has been so successful on this campaign. If it is the case it is quite clever
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The thing that is really the most amazing to me is how well this deck is doing despite Tyler's lack of involvement/interaction with his backers.
The projects I have seen that usually do the bests are the ones where the creator keeps in near constant contact (throug updates and the comments) with the backers. One where they offer plenty of stretch goals and teasers for "cool stuff" to come, which will be revealed when the project reaches some number.
Tyler has done none of this, he has only had 7 updates, done an addition of new items once, and offered no stretch goals. He hasn't really even posted on these forums that much.
It really is amazing how far advertising and getting noticed in the right place can take you. I think The reason you don't see him here or on other card forums that much, is that he realized that we are a small community and early adopters of a deck, we either like it or don't and unless the creator makes major adjustments ( which some have), will probably not change our minds.
I bet you can find Tyler quite busy in some other communities (not card collectors but ones that his deck would still appeal to) with larger populations trying to win them over, and then I bet on to the next.
This is not a criticism it is a observation on why he has been so successful on this campaign. If it is the case it is quite clever
The biggest reason for the success he's experiencing is that he never went strongly after the playing card community in the first place - it was the deck's appearance in a few design blogs that sent it through the roof. He drew people to the deck that normally wouldn't bother with a playing card deck but would bother with anything considered "high design".
It's not entirely true that he's overlooked the card community. He did take the suggestion to make the deck more practical, moving all the court indices to the left corners. The deck went from a curiosity to a functional, useful design at that point and this was because of the card community.
It's much more accurate to say that the card community ignored him. Many, many people here said "Too expensive, I'll pass." I didn't complain on price, but I complained on practicality, and since that was rectified, I'm invested.
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Sorry to bring up an old topic!
BUT i do love this deck!
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Sorry to bring up an old topic!
BUT i do love this deck!
If you have something worthwhile to add, reviving old topics is welcomed here.
I think the deck is still available at http://misc-goods-co.com
Edit: just checked - if you can find it you're a better man than I am...
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Sorry to bring up an old topic!
BUT i do love this deck!
If you have something worthwhile to add, reviving old topics is welcomed here.
I think the deck is still available at http://misc-goods-co.com
Edit: just checked - if you can find it you're a better man than I am...
Sorry, for some reason the rest of my comment was deleted!
I managed to bag one deck, number 6000 or so and as well as the design being great, the handling of the deck, i feel is fantastic.
I would recommend picking one up if you can! Like Don said they are tough to find, and arent available direct at the moment. I read something about a possible re print but not individually numbered like the first batch!
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Hey guys,
Some news from Pedale. New decks (RED and BLACK) and some cool accessories are now available for pre-order at:
http://misc-goods-co.myshopify.com/
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Whoa. That's a pretty sweet card case.
I like the red deck, too. It reminds me of the chinatown deck, and the details on the back will probably show up better than the original gold on black.
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Whoa. That's a pretty sweet card case.
I like the red deck, too. It reminds me of the chinatown deck, and the details on the back will probably show up better than the original gold on black.
Although the cards in the red deck look like they're gold backed. But I do agree about them resembling the Chinatown deck... Except for the "red" was actually more of an orange. I doubt these will be quite as disappointing though.
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After some earlier sarcastic remarks regarding this deck, I am glad I was able to pick it up as well as the others... The wooden case is also very serious... It perplexes me that people are bidding on this deck at $25 when it's still available on the website for $15...
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After some earlier sarcastic remarks regarding this deck, I am glad I was able to pick it up as well as the others... The wooden case is also very serious... It perplexes me that people are bidding on this deck at $25 when it's still available on the website for $15...
Well, there's no account for brains - or lack thereof... :))
But yes, gorgeous deck, and I really want v2 in both colors. Backers get 15% off if they order in the first two weeks! (Corrected - just one week, and only for backers; follow directions on the latest project update.)
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Huckberry (similar to touch of modern) has these on sale. $50 for black, red, blue, and teal. The red and black are available for $25 as well.
http://fbuy.me/WnQl
This link will get you $5 off, so essentially your shipping is free.
Full disclosure, I do get a bonus for you signing up, but that isn't why I posted, just thought I would pass on the savings. 4 decks with shipping would be $71 from Misc Goods Co, it is $49 here with the sign up bonus.
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Huckberry (similar to touch of modern) has these on sale. $50 for black, red, blue, and teal. The red and black are available for $25 as well.
http://fbuy.me/WnQl
This link will get you $5 off, so essentially your shipping is free.
Full disclosure, I do get a bonus for you signing up, but that isn't why I posted, just thought I would pass on the savings. 4 decks with shipping would be $71 from Misc Goods Co, it is $49 here with the sign up bonus.
To be clear, none of those decks are the original limited edition, but are the newer editions that Tyler's been selling for months on his misc-goods-co.com website, right?
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Yes Don, they are all newer "unlimited" editions. Cheaper price, and cheaper shipping than Misc Goods Website. They have the wood hard case as well.
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That's a pretty good deal for someone that would like a full set. Save $10, and shipping only $3.98. I've been thinking about buying these, but just haven't pulled the trigger. Too many other decks I want more. I might jump on this one.