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Kings Wild Development Thread
This thread originally started out as a thread just for the Kings Wild Signature Series deck but I wanted to turn it more into a digital sketchbook of sorts. I will be posting all sorts of my ideas, thoughts, and other concepts I'm developing here for you guys to take a look at, enjoy.
I'm throwing the idea around of creating my own set of traditional rider backs. My thought is they would be the court cards that I use in all of the decks that I create that call for a more traditional set of court cards. As of now I'm calling it the Kings Wild Signature Series. This is a back design I've been playing with. I also would love to do this deck OFF of kickstarter and only make these Kings Wild Signature Series decks available via my website. Its also nice to start getting back to creating instead of shipping all day long. I really just need a breath of fresh air.
The design still has a hint of my love of intricate line work.
(http://www.kingswildproject.com/images/KWS/KWSigSeriesRed.jpg)
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I'm throwing the idea around of creating my own set of traditional rider backs. My thought is they would be the court cards that I use in all of the decks that I create that call for a more traditional set of court cards. As of now I'm calling it the Kings Wild Signature Series. This is a back design I've been playing with. I also would love to do this deck OFF of kickstarter and only make these Kings Wild Signature Series decks available via my website. Its also nice to start getting back to creating instead of shipping all day long. I really just need a breath of fresh air.
The design still has a hint of my love of intricate line work.
Ain't nothing wrong with nice linework - the Aristocrat Banknotes are popular for a reason.
That's a serious back - looks very nice. Looking forward to seeing those signature courts you want to make. My advice - tweak away all you want, but for a "traditional" deck, don't stray too far from the basics. Incorporate the standard imagery in terms of cards that are one-eyed, bearded, carry a "bedpost", are committing suicide, etc.
One of my favorite court sets in recent history was from the Virtuoso deck. It had the traditional look and feel but the artwork was more modernized and the Queens were so much more attractive - like women you'd see on the street as opposed to in a history book. Updated, slightly modernized art would do your deck well.
For the card gods' sake, don't go the typical route of taking your friends faces and putting them on your courts! They end up looking contrived and the concept is getting overused. The only person who pulled that off with style was the designer of the White Knuckle deck, and he practically drove himself insane creating that deck...all work and no play make Jack(-son) a dull boy... :)) But damn, aren't those White Knuckles beautiful? He also did a fine job of something I don't often see - depth of field, a real sense of three-dimensionality rather than a flat picture. That, too, would do your deck well.
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This is very nice Jackson. Glad you're back in the game after your short break (: I wasn't a huge fan of your Federal 52 decks but this one really intrigues me. I love the shade of red and the intricate line work is quite appealing! I personally would rather your logo just a tiny bit further out to the edges, but other than that i am very interested!
Wish you all the best and i hope you keep us updated!
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I'm throwing the idea around of creating my own set of traditional rider backs. My thought is they would be the court cards that I use in all of the decks that I create that call for a more traditional set of court cards. As of now I'm calling it the Kings Wild Signature Series. This is a back design I've been playing with. I also would love to do this deck OFF of kickstarter and only make these Kings Wild Signature Series decks available via my website. Its also nice to start getting back to creating instead of shipping all day long. I really just need a breath of fresh air.
The design still has a hint of my love of intricate line work.
Ain't nothing wrong with nice linework - the Aristocrat Banknotes are popular for a reason.
That's a serious back - looks very nice. Looking forward to seeing those signature courts you want to make. My advice - tweak away all you want, but for a "traditional" deck, don't stray too far from the basics. Incorporate the standard imagery in terms of cards that are one-eyed, bearded, carry a "bedpost", are committing suicide, etc.
One of my favorite court sets in recent history was from the Virtuoso deck. It had the traditional look and feel but the artwork was more modernized and the Queens were so much more attractive - like women you'd see on the street as opposed to in a history book. Updated, slightly modernized art would do your deck well.
For the card gods' sake, don't go the typical route of taking your friends faces and putting them on your courts! They end up looking contrived and the concept is getting overused. The only person who pulled that off with style was the designer of the White Knuckle deck, and he practically drove himself insane creating that deck...all work and no play make Jack(-son) a dull boy... :)) But damn, aren't those White Knuckles beautiful? He also did a fine job of something I don't often see - depth of field, a real sense of three-dimensionality rather than a flat picture. That, too, would do your deck well.
Always great content from the Don!
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This is very nice Jackson. Glad you're back in the game after your short break (: I wasn't a huge fan of your Federal 52 decks but this one really intrigues me. I love the shade of red and the intricate line work is quite appealing! I personally would rather your logo just a tiny bit further out to the edges, but other than that i am very interested!
Wish you all the best and i hope you keep us updated!
First off thanks for your input and the Fed is not everyones cup of tea. With that said here is a probably "to much information" explanation of my placement of the logo. Apologies before hand if it comes off pretentious, I just think it might be useful for some to see the process.
This is an age old design method I learned in art school to find the visual centers on any rectangular composition.
Step 1: Duplicate the composition side by side. Then find the center line.
(http://www.kingswildproject.com/images/KWS/E1.jpg)
Step 2: Then find the center lines of each of the single compositions.
(http://www.kingswildproject.com/images/KWS/E2.jpg)
Step 3: The intersections of the two centers will give you the "thirds" of the composition.
(http://www.kingswildproject.com/images/KWS/E3.jpg)
Step 4: Then find the centerline of the top two middle quads and also the bottom middle quads. This will give you the "visual safe" area.
(http://www.kingswildproject.com/images/KWS/E4.jpg)
Visual Safe Area lines
(http://www.kingswildproject.com/images/KWS/E5.jpg)
Visual Safe Area
(http://www.kingswildproject.com/images/KWS/E6.jpg)
Area of visual interest. The only "rule of thirds" i'm breaking is by not moving the logo over two the side of one of the thirds intersection lines but I can let that slide because it's a playing card.
(http://www.kingswildproject.com/images/KWS/E7.jpg)
Then I arrange my background rosettes so that the negative space always leads the eye back to the logo.
(http://www.kingswildproject.com/images/KWS/E8.jpg)
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I'm loving that red and hope it can get printed like that. Will there be a blue version too like traditional rider backs?
Have you thought of "hiding" or making the logo blend into the intricate line work? Or maybe using the seal version of your logo (ie. the one on the front page of the Kings Wild site"?
And thanks for the design lesson. It's pretty cool to see all the thought that goes into and it's not just "well, let's put it there 'cause it kind of looks good". Best of luck and I can't wait to see the finished version, especially the courts.
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Jackson Robinson is designing a signature deck with more intricate line work?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=aAEux7YZpgk#t=27
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Very nice Jackson. Your signature design looks like Scarlet Rounders meets Aristocrat Banknote.
This is not meant to be as subtle as Madison Rounders? I would like to see your logo slightly larger or Not. I'm trying to visualize it.
Are you customizing the court cards?
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Very nice Jackson. Your signature design looks like Scarlet Rounders meets Aristocrat Banknote.
This is not meant to be as subtle as Madison Rounders? I would like to see your logo slightly larger or Not. I'm trying to visualize it.
Are you customizing the court cards?
Absolutely, my idea for the "signature series" would be for me to create the standard Kings Wild Court cards that I use for all non themed decks that call for a more traditional court cards.
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Hey Jackson, I recommend looking into seeing if there is any demand for a full-bleed back. That red is stunning but, as usual with art work, borders take away from it.
At the very least do thin borders. :)
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Hey Jackson, I recommend looking into seeing if there is any demand for a full-bleed back. That red is stunning but, as usual with art work, borders take away from it.
At the very least do thin borders. :)
I'd dig seeing "fade" borders, gradually lightening in shade to white at the cutting edge.
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Hey Jackson, I recommend looking into seeing if there is any demand for a full-bleed back. That red is stunning but, as usual with art work, borders take away from it.
At the very least do thin borders. :)
I personally like full bleed, serves the art better. I'm open. I don't however like the fade thing that some of the backs do. Always reminds me of songs that just end by fading the music. Seems like the band never got around to writing an ending for the song. Thats just my personal pref though. I would like to here what other think about the full bleed. THX alex
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Very nice Jackson. Your signature design looks like Scarlet Rounders meets Aristocrat Banknote.
This is not meant to be as subtle as Madison Rounders? I would like to see your logo slightly larger or Not. I'm trying to visualize it.
Are you customizing the court cards?
Absolutely, my idea for the "signature series" would be for me to create the standard Kings Wild Court cards that I use for all non themed decks that call for a more traditional court cards.
That's a great idea. Its actually something I wish Ellusionist would do. Making their Artifice court cards their standard. I guess that would depend on the artist, not the company in Ellusionist's case.
Are you going to design the Courts first before launching a Kickstarter? It would make sense that you take your time if you plan on using them as standards for other decks.
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I really liked your federal deck, or decks. I didn't back it on kickstarter, because I have never backed anything there. But you should know that your deck is the project I've been closest to back. I hope I can buy them from your website later on.
I generally like backs with a border. I like to get some borderless for my collection, just to try them out, but I prefer borders.
For me, the rule of thirds demonstration was really valuable. I wonder how this relates to the golden ratio?
I'm not very fond of the logo on the back, I didn't like the Madison Rounders back either, and this reminds me of that.
I'm very fond of the intricate line work.
Generally I like a back with more difference between the present colors, for example, the standard rider back.
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Hey Jackson, I recommend looking into seeing if there is any demand for a full-bleed back. That red is stunning but, as usual with art work, borders take away from it.
At the very least do thin borders. :)
I personally like full bleed, serves the art better. I'm open. I don't however like the fade thing that some of the backs do. Always reminds me of songs that just end by fading the music. Seems like the band never got around to writing an ending for the song. Thats just my personal pref though. I would like to here what other think about the full bleed. THX alex
There's been a long-standing argument between collectors and magicians ever since the original Artifice decks (black-bordered backs, white fronts) about printing to the bleed on the back with a dark, solid color like that when the faces have white backgrounds to the edge. Collectors say "Oh, that's beautiful," while magicians cry "Hey, now I can't do that trick with the flipped card in the middle of the deck because it shows too much." Now if the edge were something more like a Bee Diamond Back, it would work better for both camps - while it's not impossible to spot a flipped card, the patterned edge with alternating light and dark colors makes it more difficult.
But in the end, this is your baby, right? :))
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This back design isn't the Kings Wild Signature Series but only practice. If I have time I try and create two or three back designs a week, just to keep the tools sharp, and to try new things. I have a folder of about 47 backs that are just sitting there.
@Don Is there a thread that we can use to just dump our work in progress stuff onto. I'm a member of some illustration forums and they have a "digital sketchbook journal" Its a thread that you start simply to keep a visual / comment journal about you work in progress.
(http://www.kingswildproject.com/images/S1.jpg)
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@Don Is there a thread that we can use to just dump our work in progress stuff onto. I'm a member of some illustration forums and they have a "digital sketchbook journal" Its a thread that you start simply to keep a visual / comment journal about you work in progress.
You could put such a topic in the Design/Dev board and it would be perfectly at home. The whole membership can see it and comment.
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Hey Jackson, I recommend looking into seeing if there is any demand for a full-bleed back. That red is stunning but, as usual with art work, borders take away from it.
At the very least do thin borders. :)
I personally like full bleed, serves the art better. I'm open. I don't however like the fade thing that some of the backs do. Always reminds me of songs that just end by fading the music. Seems like the band never got around to writing an ending for the song. Thats just my personal pref though. I would like to here what other think about the full bleed. THX alex
There's been a long-standing argument between collectors and magicians ever since the original Artifice decks (black-bordered backs, white fronts) about printing to the bleed on the back with a dark, solid color like that when the faces have white backgrounds to the edge. Collectors say "Oh, that's beautiful," while magicians cry "Hey, now I can't do that trick with the flipped card in the middle of the deck because it shows too much." Now if the edge were something more like a Bee Diamond Back, it would work better for both camps - while it's not impossible to spot a flipped card, the patterned edge with alternating light and dark colors makes it more difficult.
But in the end, this is your baby, right? :))
Would a color ring on the face of the card to match the back be a good idea? Would that be beneficial to a magician?
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Would a color ring on the face of the card to match the back be a good idea? Would that be beneficial to a magician?
Maybe it would be, but it could also end up looking butt-ugly. It would really be a matter of how it was pulled off.
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Hey Jackson, I am a big fan of your work, I backed your Federal 52 cards.
I cant wait to see what you do next! I like were you are going with the Red signature series.
Best of Luck!
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Ahh Mr Robinson, you are a freaking genius!! You are quite easily one of my favourite deck designers :) doesn't mean much, but hey, I love your work.
A question for you though, why Kings Wild? Why not Jacks Wild? Would've worked great with Jack being part of your name too, just a thought :)
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I have a folder of about 47 backs that are just sitting there.
I'm looking for a card back. It's the part I hate!! :)
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This back design isn't the Kings Wild Signature Series but only practice. If I have time I try and create two or three back designs a week, just to keep the tools sharp, and to try new things. I have a folder of about 47 backs that are just sitting there.
@Don Is there a thread that we can use to just dump our work in progress stuff onto. I'm a member of some illustration forums and they have a "digital sketchbook journal" Its a thread that you start simply to keep a visual / comment journal about you work in progress.
(http://www.kingswildproject.com/images/S1.jpg)
I would not use that. It's not one of your better back designs. Someone with your skill, that back took you 10 minutes.
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That back is so close to being amazing. I can't describe it, but it somehow looks a tad off and dis-proportioned. I have to agree with Anonymous. You definitely have something awesome going with the knot design, but it's not quite there yet for me. Doesn't mean it's not amazing work! A slight retooling could make it absolutely superb.
In regards to the folder-o-backs, you should dump a few in this thread. (Watermark them if need be) Someone of your caliber having an old folder of designs it sounds like Blackbeard's treasure!
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Really smart work Jackson, nice to see your process. You know your brushes ;) And don't sit still for long. Awesome stuff
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Really smart work Jackson, nice to see your process. You know your brushes ;) And don't sit still for long. Awesome stuff
Speaking of brushes, I actually only use one brushes for all of my work in photoshop. I call it "12" its 12 pixel wide and its a simple round brush thats standard in photoshop.
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Regarding the second design - I agree with Anonymous
Regarding the first design...
Jackson, are you trying to invent a new kind of one way backs? :)
(http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/6421/tjre.jpg)
Happy Friday, eagles ;)
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Really smart work Jackson, nice to see your process. You know your brushes ;) And don't sit still for long. Awesome stuff
Speaking of brushes, I actually only use one brushes for all of my work in photoshop. I call it "12" its 12 pixel wide and its a simple round brush thats standard in photoshop.
Care to comment on your new avatar logo? Might that be the new project your working on with Encarded? Rumor has it your also working on a project for D&D?
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nothing both Paul and I have shown as of late is what we are working on together. Paul and I are working through a few really great ideas, we are taking our time and letting it come together. Our styles are very different so it is very interesting to see how they meld together. I probably speak for both Paul and I when I say that our collaboration is mostly about leaning and soaking as much info from each other as possible, "iron sharpens iron".
As for D&D, I have had a few great conversations with them both about working together and also just getting to know each other. This world of cards and card designing seems to be getting smaller and smaller and I like it that way.
My avatar is from Chinese bank note. I'm drowning myself in incredible art and mostly art from the east to get a breather from western currency. I'm trying some new ideas and designs, but nothing really yet that I want to share ;)
(http://www.kingswildproject.com/images/eastasia/Chns1r1f.jpg)
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nothing both Paul and I have shown as of late is what we are working on together. Paul and I are working through a few really great ideas, we are taking our time and letting it come together. Our styles are very different so it is very interesting to see how they meld together. I probably speak for both Paul and I when I say that our collaboration is mostly about leaning and soaking as much info from each other as possible, "iron sharpens iron".
As for D&D, I have had a few great conversations with them both about working together and also just getting to know each other. This world of cards and card designing seems to be getting smaller and smaller and I like it that way.
My avatar is from Chinese bank note. I'm drowning myself in incredible art and mostly art from the east to get a breather from western currency. I'm trying some new ideas and designs, but nothing really yet that I want to share ;)
(http://www.kingswildproject.com/images/eastasia/Chns1r1f.jpg)
"Iron sharpens Iron" - I like that. Don't sharpen each others Irons too much. :)
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Speaking of brushes, I actually only use one brushes for all of my work in photoshop. I call it "12" its 12 pixel wide and its a simple round brush thats standard in photoshop.
One PS brush? Wow nice one. Must be a fair amount of illustrator in your details too. Love the eastern art, so much flair. Be nice to see where you take it.
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Speaking of brushes, I actually only use one brushes for all of my work in photoshop. I call it "12" its 12 pixel wide and its a simple round brush thats standard in photoshop.
One PS brush? Wow nice one. Must be a fair amount of illustrator in your details too. Love the eastern art, so much flair. Be nice to see where you take it.
I despise illustrator and the evil hell winged spawn from wence it came. I do not use illustrator for any of my designs. Lol I guess you know how I feel.
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I had some time tonight to start from scratch again and try some more pattern driven designs for my Kings Wild Signature Series. I've been pushing my bank note line work more modern lately for a fresh change. Trying to use more geometric shapes rather than engraving.
(http://www.kingswildproject.com/images/KWSig/KWSig2.jpg)
(http://www.kingswildproject.com/images/KWSig/KWSig1.jpg)
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I like the first one much better. This one has too much going on and the black dots in the negative spaces attracts more attention than it should.
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I like the first one much better. This one has too much going on and the black dots in the negative spaces attracts more attention than it should.
Good word, lol you should have seen mine first one. :) Talk about busy?
(http://www.kingswildproject.com/images/KWSig/KWSig3.jpg)
Here is a more toned down version
(http://www.kingswildproject.com/images/KWSig/KWSig4.jpg)
You were totally right Froggo, I like it much better without the black dots!
(http://www.kingswildproject.com/images/KWSig/KWSig5.jpg)
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Absolutely LOVE that middle one!
I think that is shows off the linework the best. It's kinda obstructed in the first one. I don't think the diamond pattern is necessary in the third one either.
This just keeps getting better and better!
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I despise illustrator and the evil hell winged spawn from wence it came. I do not use illustrator for any of my designs. Lol I guess you know how I feel.
Haha I do, I curse it most days. Still what else is there, Freehand?? What do you use? That latest back is.. on the money..
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It's amazing how small changes can result in such big differences! Loving these designs, keep revised/new concepts coming Jackson!
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I despise illustrator and the evil hell winged spawn from wence it came. I do not use illustrator for any of my designs. Lol I guess you know how I feel.
Haha I do, I curse it most days. Still what else is there, Freehand?? What do you use? That latest back is.. on the money..
I also avoid Illustrator like the plague! I still run Freehand on my Mac. They haven't updated since Adobe bought them out, but it's still head-and-shoulders better than Illustrator, in my eyes. As long as they keep making patches for Freehand to work on newer Macs, I'll keep using it! Most of my work is all Photoshop though. I like Photoshop's Path tools quite a lot.
Great Back design Jackson!
thanks, Randy
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(http://www.kingswildproject.com/images/KWSig/KWSig3.jpg)
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(http://www.kingswildproject.com/images/KWSig/KWSig3.jpg)
I really like the top one. It looks like a v3 Magic Con Deck.
It reminds me of the newly released Bicycle Madison deck (shown below). I prefer the last one much more.
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I had some time to sketch out my thoughts on the King of Spades.
(http://www.kingswildproject.com/images/KWSig/KW_KoS.jpg)
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I really like the top one. It looks like a v3 Magic Con Deck.
Really? 'Cause there's only two versions of the Magic Con deck... The first of the three cons had no deck to go with it. :)) (You know I'm just having some fun with you...)
I had some time to sketch out my thoughts on the King of Spades.
Overall appearance - really gorgeous.
Those facial features - absolutely frightening! At first glance, he looks like "that creepy uncle!"
I like that you amped up the level of facial detail, but to make some realistic details while leaving others more symbolic/traditional kinda makes my brain slip a gear. I'd say make a more realistic face. The recent trend, which I like, is to go for younger courts - when you think about it, many people back in the days of royalty really were young when they held their office because they simply didn't have long life spans. But even if you want to keep the traditional, older look, that's fine - just either scale the details up or down, not in-between like this. Give him a real beard and hair, with color, something that you might actually see in a portrait. The skin can remain white, that's fine - perhaps you can "warm up" his expression some, though.
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Really? 'Cause there's only two versions of the Magic Con deck... The first of the three cons had no deck to go with it. (You know I'm just having some fun with you...)
Nothing like getting my chops broken by a fellow New Yorker. Yes I know about the two magic con decks. Do I assume you knew that I was insinuating this new design should be the third?
@ Jackson:
You put court cards like that on the back design I picked of the three, you can forget about a signature series. That design blows away every deck you've made to date. Talk about an instant classic. People know how picky I am... That will become my second Kickstarter backer along with Royal Optik.
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I had some time to sketch out my thoughts on the King of Spades.
(http://www.kingswildproject.com/images/KWSig/KW_KoS.jpg)
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/8dd34ca3741a8bc6bc78e012d2467cd1/tumblr_mhhpw0074B1s29y53o1_250.gif)
That has got to be one of the classiest court cards I've ever seen.
I do agree that the face could be improved on, but the rest is freakin COOL.
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I like this one but I still like the first one better.
I had some time to sketch out my thoughts on the King of Spades.
(http://www.kingswildproject.com/images/KWSig/KW_KoS.jpg)
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/8dd34ca3741a8bc6bc78e012d2467cd1/tumblr_mhhpw0074B1s29y53o1_250.gif)
That has got to be one of the classiest court cards I've ever seen.
I do agree that the face could be improved on, but the rest is freakin COOL.
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I like this one but I still like the first one better.
First one? Uh, you mean the Fed 52 deck?
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I put together some more studies, really focusing on the designs and how they look in fans. I also adjusted the King just a bit, I made him a little younger and not so ugly. Let me know what you think, I labeled each image so you could point out each design easier. Thanks guys for you input.
My favorite is A1
(http://www.kingswildproject.com/images/KWSig/KW_Back1.jpg)
(http://www.kingswildproject.com/images/KWSig/KW_Back2.jpg)
(http://www.kingswildproject.com/images/KWSig/BackFanA1.jpg)
(http://www.kingswildproject.com/images/KWSig/BackFanA2.jpg)
(http://www.kingswildproject.com/images/KWSig/BackFanB1.jpg)
(http://www.kingswildproject.com/images/KWSig/BackFanB2.jpg)
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Just as a single card back, I like the B1 best. The A1 does have a great fan effect though.
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Just as a single card back, I like the B1 best. The A1 does have a great fan effect though.
I'm agreed here - it's a matter of deciding if you want a more classic and classy look or really impressive fans.
What would the back look like if you made it a smaller, repeating pattern, akin to the Bee Diamond Back?
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Just as a single card back, I like the B1 best. The A1 does have a great fan effect though.
I'm agreed here - it's a matter of deciding if you want a more classic and classy look or really impressive fans.
What would the back look like if you made it a smaller, repeating pattern, akin to the Bee Diamond Back?
-Maybe I will produce two back designs when I release it 1 more classic with a border and 1 full bleed for cardists.
-Good idea about the tight pattern version I'll put one of those together and post it up and see what people think. My only reservation with the tight patterns is that this being my first "Signature Series" deck what ever design I choose for this one I will have to continue it throughout the rest of my signature series decks. I would like to come out with a sig deck maybe once a year or so and I will want them to make a really nice set for people so I will want them to feel like they belong together.
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(http://www.kingswildproject.com/images/KWSig/KWSig3.jpg)
This is the best one. Please give it the highest consideration.
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(http://www.kingswildproject.com/images/KWSig/KWSig3.jpg)
This is the best one. Please give it the highest consideration.
Totally will, im gonna do a full bleed version of that one as well and a even smaller tiled version for Don.
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Just as a single card back, I like the B1 best. The A1 does have a great fan effect though.
I'm agreed here - it's a matter of deciding if you want a more classic and classy look or really impressive fans.
What would the back look like if you made it a smaller, repeating pattern, akin to the Bee Diamond Back?
-Maybe I will produce two back designs when I release it 1 more classic with a border and 1 full bleed for cardists.
-Good idea about the tight pattern version I'll put one of those together and post it up and see what people think. My only reservation with the tight patterns is that this being my first "Signature Series" deck what ever design I choose for this one I will have to continue it throughout the rest of my signature series decks. I would like to come out with a sig deck maybe once a year or so and I will want them to make a really nice set for people so I will want them to feel like they belong together.
First of all, I love the idea of releasing both versions of the back! If you have the resources, why choose, right? I know you're fond of branded and unbranded versions - perhaps make one of them the borderless version and the other the bordered version, creating an actual (if minor) difference between the two designs beyond the branding and appearance of the box.
Second, I know you want a certain amount of consistency among your Signature Series decks, but just as one's handwriting evolves over time, so does one's signature. Don't feel that you must be locked in to a single design type for your signature works. Give them consistency with the faces or the KWP logo. Don't be afraid to one year pay homage to the Bee Diamond Back and the next, the Tally Ho Circle Back (or one of the older backs), followed by the Hoyle Shellback or something that looks like road rash, etc. - only you get to determine what your signature will look like.
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This round is for Don, I actually like these.
(http://www.kingswildproject.com/images/kwsig/kwsig_bee.jpg)
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This round is for Don, I actually like these.
Oooooooh. Sexy. :))
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This round is for Don, I actually like these.
Oooooooh. Sexy. :))
Agreed!
Jackson, not that you don't have anything else to do, but have you done a fan mockup for this set?
Depending on what that looks like-possibly a higher contrast on the diamond pattern. Might make a great classic look and cool fan.
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This round is for Don, I actually like these.
Oooooooh. Sexy. :))
Agreed!
Jackson, not that you don't have anything else to do, but have you done a fan mockup for this set?
Depending on what that looks like-possibly a higher contrast on the diamond pattern. Might make a great classic look and cool fan.
I wasn't sure I'd like that diamond shading throughout the pattern, but it really grows on you. Just tweak it a bit so it isn't a one-way back anymore! :)) The pattern looks different between the left and right edge of the back design - it would be subtle but not too hard to spot. You'll probably need to scale the pattern a little higher or lower in size, but that's the stuff you know better than I do.
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Awesome backs! I still think that this back is the best one thus far, though.
(http://www.kingswildproject.com/images/KWSig/KWSig4.jpg)
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Awesome backs! I still think that this back is the best one thus far, though.
(http://www.kingswildproject.com/images/KWSig/KWSig4.jpg)
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I don't have any problem with the King of Spades. The face + clothes = a normal combination. I just don't think it fits the back. I will be glad to see two different fully custom decks :)
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Been doing lots of quick ideas seeing if anything grabs me.
This one is called Two Guns, I was inspired by the spaghetti westerns that I grew up on. Trying to keep it super simple to give my self a break from all the super detailed stuff that I mostly do.
Jackson
(http://www.kingswildproject.com/images/twoguns/twogunstuck.jpg)
(http://www.kingswildproject.com/images/twoguns/twogunback.jpg)
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Been doing lots of quick ideas seeing if anything grabs me.
This one is called Two Guns, I was inspired by the spaghetti westerns that I grew up on. Trying to keep it super simple to give my self a break from all the super detailed stuff that I mostly do.
Jackson
Nice - very nice. For this, I'd go for a gritty print look akin to the opening credits of one of the Eastwood Spaghetti Westerns - but no aged-look paper! Old-style courts (maybe even faro-style courts), small indices. Consider as a possible alternative back one with a man on horseback firing the gun to replace the lone gun - also, much like the movies' opening credits. Kinda makes you wish a deck of cards could have a soundtrack...
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This is hilarious.
Who the hell designs a brilliant minimalistic deck based off a fully cohesive theme with near perfect design while he's "just taking a break"? Freakin' Jackson Robinson.
Dude, this is better than like 90% of what's on Kickstarter now. Some simple custom courts, slightly modded number cards, and some cool jokers and you'll have an absolutely amazing deck. I'll bet those would look awesome in a fan, too!
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That is a great looking card back, I'm curious to know what font did you use?
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Jackson... first off, I'm a huge fan of your work. I just wanted to say the backs look amazing!
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Had to take a quick break from Sherlock Holmes last night and did some concepting for a possible Kings Wild Signature Series back design. This one is much in line with my Federal style.
The blue line work would be a metallic blue and the back ground lines would be metallic silver.
Hope you enjoy.
(http://www.kingswildproject.com/images/KWbackhero.jpg)
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Had to take a quick break from Sherlock Holmes last night and did some concepting for a possible Kings Wild Signature Series back design. This one is much in line with my Federal style.
The blue line work would be a metallic blue and the back ground lines would be metallic silver.
Hope you enjoy.
(http://www.kingswildproject.com/images/KWbackhero.jpg)
I love this one Jackson. I know you're trying to effectively use negative space, however i feel like something is missing in the centre. Perhaps design a Kings wild 'Signature Series' logo in silver metallic ink and slam it right in the middle?
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(http://www.kingswildproject.com/images/kwsig/kwsig_bee.jpg)
Jackson, this card back looks great! I really like the intricate geometry, the fine line work, the subtle, almost argyle look to it.
Any way we could see the left card back without the white diamonds? I am loving the look of this but something is off and I can't quite place it...
Still excited to see you do a classic English tartan/plaid design with some of your signature print-pressed-esque line work embellishing..
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Had to take a quick break from Sherlock Holmes last night and did some concepting for a possible Kings Wild Signature Series back design. This one is much in line with my Federal style.
The blue line work would be a metallic blue and the back ground lines would be metallic silver.
Hope you enjoy.
(http://www.kingswildproject.com/images/KWbackhero.jpg)
This is incredible. I would be curious to see a design of a white deck from you one of these days.
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That is the most America thing I've ever seen. I know that that would be a HUGE seller. It would appeal to tons of people that wouldn't normally collect cards or back a Kickstarter project. I think it'd be much more successful than the other back designs you posted.
You could have one of the red back designs be your "signature series" deck and this be something completely different. Like The Freedom Deck, The Liberty Deck, etc.
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That is the most America thing I've ever seen. I know that that would be a HUGE seller. It would appeal to tons of people that wouldn't normally collect cards or back a Kickstarter project. I think it'd be much more successful than the other back designs you posted.
You could have one of the red back designs be your "signature series" deck and this be something completely different. Like The Freedom Deck, The Liberty Deck, etc.
Activate Patriotic Deck!!! The colors aren't there yet but it's on white...
(http://www.kingswildproject.com/images/kwbackhero2.jpg)
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In case you couldn't see it.
Disclaimer: This is a rough concept so it is very messy and far from tight or finished.
(http://www.kingswildproject.com/images/kwbackherot.jpg)
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I'm mind blown at how amazing that looks. I'm definitely in few 2 when the time comes!
Edit: Jackson, would you be making the red in the flag a little brighter? It seems to almost match the brown of the eagle. I know this isn't your finished project but just a question.
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My god, Jackson, those are AMAZING.
I love the colored version.
Out of curiosity, is this a back concept for your Signature deck, or a Patriot deck?
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My god, Jackson, those are AMAZING.
I love the colored version.
Out of curiosity, is this a back concept for your Signature deck, or a Patriot deck?
Both.... I'm patriotic. :)
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You've got some great ideas kickin' around there Jackson, can't wait to see what comes to fruition. 8)
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That is the most America thing I've ever seen. I know that that would be a HUGE seller. It would appeal to tons of people that wouldn't normally collect cards or back a Kickstarter project. I think it'd be much more successful than the other back designs you posted.
You could have one of the red back designs be your "signature series" deck and this be something completely different. Like The Freedom Deck, The Liberty Deck, etc.
Activate Patriotic Deck!!! The colors aren't there yet but it's on white...
(http://www.kingswildproject.com/images/kwbackhero2.jpg)
Can I buy a brick of these, like now? PLEASE. Unreal.
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My hope is to come out with the Kings Wild Signature series decks every year around my birthday. (Fed 23)
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My damn, your idea of a "rough concept" is enough for me to lick the screen. In the classy, admirable way, not the weird way.
Every one of your designs in this thread makes me nervous, as I just pledged the heck out of your Sherlock campaign, and my disposable income is, well, disposed. Well done sir.
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This was a Federal 52 version of the Rider back I developed to pitch to USPC corporate. USPC loved it but Jarden legal shot it down.
(http://www.kingswildproject.com/images/GreenBack/BikeGreenBack1.jpg)
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That's too bad Jackson, that's probably the best green back version of the riders I've seen.
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Wow Jackson! Your designs surprise me every time. Makes me want to say what the hell are you doing here. I can see why the USPCC is interested. There is so much low hanging fruit at the USPCC; Just pick it. In the future, you could single handedly change the way we play cards. Can't wait to say, "Yea I saw that guy when he first came on the UC. He made a money card design with a "1-way" back"
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This was a Federal 52 version of the Rider back I developed to pitch to USPC corporate. USPC loved it but Jarden legal shot it down.
Of course THEY would... They're the company's biggest party poopers.
Why didn't you consider something like the Bicycle Mandolin Back or (my preference) the Maiden Back? Both were specifically created and approved by USPC to look close enough to the Rider Back that the typical spectator wouldn't notice the difference, but different enough to allow for alterations without treading on the "trademark" Rider Back design. I have some marked decks in those patterns - a Mandolin Back "GT Speedreader" and a Maiden Back "Gambler's Deck" (stripped, marked, stacked all in one). You could have altered one of those to look very similar - the Maiden Back would be well suited for it.
Attached below is a sample of each deck back, with the Mandolin Back on top.
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This was a Federal 52 version of the Rider back I developed to pitch to USPC corporate. USPC loved it but Jarden legal shot it down.
Of course THEY would... They're the company's biggest party poopers.
Why didn't you consider something like the Bicycle Mandolin Back or (my preference) the Maiden Back? Both were specifically created and approved by USPC to look close enough to the Rider Back that the typical spectator wouldn't notice the difference, but different enough to allow for alterations without treading on the "trademark" Rider Back design. I have some marked decks in those patterns - a Mandolin Back "GT Speedreader" and a Maiden Back "Gambler's Deck" (stripped, marked, stacked all in one). You could have altered one of those to look very similar - the Maiden Back would be well suited for it.
Attached below is a sample of each deck back, with the Mandolin Back on top.
Great idea! If I remember correctly, that's what Burton Snowboards did when they couldn't use the riderback design.
(http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0200/7616/products/back_8897505_1024x1024.png?v=1374547748)
You could also try designing custom figures for the center crests and corner characters. I think if you replaced that maidens in the maiden back with Lady Liberty, it would look amazing.
I can't believe those numbnuts at legal shot you down, Jackson. Even someone with a blindfold could see that your designs are phenomenal.
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I can't believe those numbnuts at legal shot you down, Jackson. Even someone with a blindfold could see that your designs are phenomenal.
Sure, they're phenomenal, but unfortunately they actually have a legitimate reason for prohibiting alterations of the Rider Back. As a 120-year-old back design (first printing was 1893), any protection it may have had from copyright law went out the window a long time ago. This leaves USPC to prevent people from duplicating their work by defending it under trademark law, as it is one of their more ubiquitous deck backs.
For such a defense to hold water, however, they can't allow the trademark to become "diluted" by permitting alterations to it. USPC Legal came down with this decree over two years ago - no alterations to the assorted trademarks of the company, including the Rider Back.
Also forbidden are any of their "standard" backs such as the Bee Diamond Back, etc., and any of their unique jokers or Aces of Spades. Even the Mandolin Backs and Maiden Backs can't use an altered version of their jokers and Aces of Spades, though you can replace them entirely with different designs.
I have several Ellusionist gaff cards for decks like the Bicycle red/blue, Ghost, etc. that will no longer be reprinted as a result of that ruling, and it was among the many reasons that Ellusionist drifted away from Bicycle-branded products and created more of their own designs. Those decks were meant to share nearly the same gaffs with the Black Tigers - the video "Army of 52" covers using the gaffs in all of those decks because most are shared throughout the gaffs for them - but my new Black Tigers gaffs are either missing some of the old cards or have redesigned newer versions of them that don't infringe on the trademark.
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I thought I was strong enough to NOT work for just one day, but then I picked up my pencil and started sketching while sitting with family watching the Christmas Story Marathon.
Heres what came out, I really like it. Possible Tuck Case design for the Kings Wild Signature Series.
(http://www.kingswildproject.com/images/kwsig/kwsigtuck1.jpg)
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more back concepts
(http://www.kingswildproject.com/images/kwsig/back1.jpg)
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I love both that and the eagles/rifles back design for the signature series. Still thinking February launch? KS?
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I love both that and the eagles/rifles back design for the signature series. Still thinking February launch? KS?
Yes, my hope is to release a Kings Wild Signature Series deck every year on my birthday Fed, 23. Unfortunately I don't have enough time to design and produce a deck before that date so this first year I will open up pre order sales on my birthday to at least start the tradition "kind of". From then on out I will have the decks produced and ready to ship by Feb 23. Once I finish up the Sherlock art January will be focused on designing the final KW Signature Series to get ready for the Feb release.
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Doing some more sketching...
(http://www.kingswildproject.com/images/kwsig/kw_koc.jpg)
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Doing some more sketching...
Nice king. Mongol, right? Planning different "suit factions"? :))
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Doing some more sketching...
Nice king. Mongol, right? Planning different "suit factions"? :))
I guess the weird mustache makes him look Mongolian. It is actually Henry VIII garb
(http://www.kingswildproject.com/images/kwsig/h8.jpg)
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Doing some more sketching...
Nice king. Mongol, right? Planning different "suit factions"? :))
I guess the weird mustache makes him look Mongolian. It is actually Henry VIII garb
I got news for you - my next guess was going to be Manchurian. :))
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Mercy me oh my... Being new here I got the privilege to read this whole thread through at once. My goodness, you've got some insane talent. I loved every single concept and would back/purchase any one of them. I discovered the whole kickstarter thing about two days after your second Fed 52 project I believe. It's been bugging me ever since. I guess I'll just have to spend all the money I would've put towards those on future releases.
I would say keep up the good work, but I have no doubt you already have. Looking forward to seeing what blows my mind next!
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Mercy me oh my... Being new here I got the privilege to read this whole thread through at once. My goodness, you've got some insane talent. I loved every single concept and would back/purchase any one of them. I discovered the whole kickstarter thing about two days after your second Fed 52 project I believe. It's been bugging me ever since. I guess I'll just have to spend all the money I would've put towards those on future releases.
I would say keep up the good work, but I have no doubt you already have. Looking forward to seeing what blows my mind next!
Most of those Federal 52 decks are for sale on his website - though they aren't cheap.
http://kings-wild-project.myshopify.com/collections/cards
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Another scrapped Kings Wild Signature Series concept. The design is getting closer but not 100% there just yet.
(http://www.kingswildproject.com/images/KWSig/KW2014SigTuck.jpg)
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(http://www.kingswildproject.com/images/KWSig/KWSIGBACKBLUE.jpg)
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These look good. Some will draw comparisons to both your F52 decks and the Aristocrat Banknote reprints.
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These look good. Some will draw comparisons to both your F52 decks and the Aristocrat Banknote reprints.
Great! that is exactly what I was going for, as the American Bank Note decks are my biggest inspiration.
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VERY cool design! This is the kind of deck that Aristocrat stock is made for! The leaves fill the center space in much better than the crest, too.
Although, I loved the concept for the box you sketched out.
Are you making this a one deck project, or will there be an alternate color?
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Your line work is, as usual, great and I am sure that you will produce a final, very good product but right now I would like to ask you what the status is of your "Baker Street" deck. I see many of your Federal decks on eBay but never "Baker Street"
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Your line work is, as usual, great and I am sure that you will produce a final, very good product but right now I would like to ask you what the status is of your "Baker Street" deck. I see many of your Federal decks on eBay but never "Baker Street"
The Sherlock series won't be finished being printed and delivered until late March early april.
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Jackson, I know you are just brainstorming ideas here, but I would probably buy nearly every design you have posted so far! But I'm sure that your signature series will be perfect!
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I have a problem paying the goods from KWP. I wrote also a email, but no body answered. Please, let me know about that issue. I want 3 tshirts, a box, etc...it's all in mail that I've send to KWP. Thanks
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I am having problems viewing photos in this thread. I think the links are out of sync.
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I have a problem paying the goods from KWP. I wrote also a email, but no body answered. Please, let me know about that issue. I want 3 tshirts, a box, etc...it's all in mail that I've send to KWP. Thanks
Resolved :)
I am having problems viewing photos in this thread. I think the links are out of sync.
Me too. I've tried with mozilla and chrome.
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Im doing some website construction so thats why the images are broke, it is on my list of things to do to fix all the links.
Thanks for your patience
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Hey, just to say that limited tuck is so nice Jackson, and great campaign again. Congrats! You've got this thing down all round, great to see the shipping side coming together as well. Inspiring stuff
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Back Design Exercise from last night.
(http://www.jacksonbrobinson.com/navigator/navigator1.jpg)
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Damnit. Now I'd want a split brick of those and the Scarlett Arrows.
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Back Design Exercise from last night.
(http://www.jacksonbrobinson.com/navigator/navigator1.jpg)
I like this a lot better than the arrow design you posted already - and I liked that, so that's saying something.
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Jackson, what's the deal with all the dead photo links?