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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Re: Interesting Treasury Deck
« on: June 11, 2014, 03:56:58 PM »
About the coin at the bottom, I found this link : http://cointrackers.com/coins/322/1890-morgan-silver-dollar/
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This deck, c1890, was the first Treasury #89. It had this special joker with, I believe, images of real US coins. Can anyone provide more info on the coins?
Here it is - best copy I have.I compared your Sportsman's deck with mine and I noticed that the index are not identical : the indexes of your deck are the same that your Army #303, Navy #303 decks and are smaller than mine. I also found another difference (noted in purple on the photo)Yes, mine is a bit older. Russell, Morgan & Co. was used for the earliest decks - then they changed to Russell & Morgan Co after a couple of years - likely 1883. The earliest decks had the smallest indices and they were not as elongated.
Does it mean that your Sportsman's deck is more older, more recent or anything else please Tom ?
I like the way you were able to enlarge the differences - COOL!
Many thanks for the answer Tom. Would you have possibly a pix or scan of a Sportsman's #202 with the special and extremely rare joker please ? I would like very much seeing a copy.
I'm still wondering why USPC doesn't make this deck today!
Speaking of Tigers: Here's a rare one - only Tigers we have ever seen with this Ace & Joker [Hochman US1a]. We'd be most interested if anyone else has seen one.
This is probably half of my (entire!) collection. I realize you can't see much in these photos, but I plan to feature some of my better decks with individual posts in the future. If you see any decks you want more info on, let me know.
I compared your Sportsman's deck with mine and I noticed that the index are not identical : the indexes of your deck are the same that your Army #303, Navy #303 decks and are smaller than mine. I also found another difference (noted in purple on the photo)Yes, mine is a bit older. Russell, Morgan & Co. was used for the earliest decks - then they changed to Russell & Morgan Co after a couple of years - likely 1883. The earliest decks had the smallest indices and they were not as elongated.
Does it mean that your Sportsman's deck is more older, more recent or anything else please Tom ?
I like the way you were able to enlarge the differences - COOL!
Tom is definitely the historian amongst us, but I know enough to blow my toes off one at a time if I aim well.I'm afraid I don't recognize anyone Mike, I was pretty young then. It is a fun photo. I do have pix of some of the principles [McCracken, Omawake, etc] somewhere and I'll try and find them.
I did find an interesting picture recently that I was told hasn't been published, but I was also told that the two or three gentlemen on the far right are the principles, one supposedly Morgan. Tom, do they look familiar to you? I don't know them "on sight". I was told this shot was taken about 1901 in Norwood (suburb of Cincinnati) before the "clock tower" was added to the front of the USPCC factory. Looks right for the period clothing-wise and everything. The photo was obviously taken with an old lenticular I think is the right word - camera. Notice the bowing in on the right edge of the picture...
Do you know if there is an antique/vintage deck (as the Stage #65 or Monarch Bicycle) or other ephemera which represents the us manufacturers please ? I ask you that because I'm looking for portraits of us makers and I only found Andrew Dougherty for the moment. I'm very interested to find A. O. Russell, Robert J. Morgan and Samuel J. Murray but do you think that it's possible?There is a Cincinnati souvenir deck that has pictures of some of these people, because US Printing was so important to the city as an employer, etc. However it is very scarce and expensive if you can find it.
Tom is definitely the historian amongst us, but I know enough to blow my toes off one at a time if I aim well.
I did find an interesting picture recently that I was told hasn't been published, but I was also told that the two or three gentlemen on the far right are the principles, one supposedly Morgan. Tom, do they look familiar to you? I don't know them "on sight". I was told this shot was taken about 1901 in Norwood (suburb of Cincinnati) before the "clock tower" was added to the front of the USPCC factory. Looks right for the period clothing-wise and everything. The photo was obviously taken with an old lenticular I think is the right word - camera. Notice the bowing in on the right edge of the picture...
You do realize that "U S Printing Company" is the same company that became US Playing Card Company, right? Omwake is one of their major early designers, and one of the two patents you showed of his is a major well-known back produced by "Bicycle" brand cards.
I would be happy to get copies of the pdf files as they may provide information that would be relevant to the next edition of the Encyclopedia.
As far as patents go, there are literally thousands involving playing card design and hundreds if not thousands of people who applied for patents. I guess the purpose of the Encyclopedia is to catalogue all the brands of all the makers, so that collectors can identify them. A secondary purpose is to provide information and color about the companies themselves. There never was an intention to make Hochman a scholarly treatise on the people involved in the manufacture, other than a few principals of the major companies. The type of research and information need to delve in the history of each design is a subject for another study - by someone with a lot of time on their hands!
We already have one topic that's covering Bee antique backs. I'm going to combine the two.
You're definitely in the right place to kick such a project off!
I'm curious, what purpose does the Progressive Euchre card serve? I've never even heard of one until I read your post.
Nice find and one of my favorite pieces of playing card ephemera - full of good info on USPC'S/Russell/Morgan earliest issues. Now your challenge will be to find the other 4!!
About The United States Playing Card Museum, would you have some additional photos of the decks of their archives? Both which are here were published on the official Bicycle Facebook page.
If you're referring to the one that USPC created at the company plant in Cincinnati, the museum was shuttered for good a handful of years ago and in 2009, the entire operation was moved to a suburb of Cincinnati called Erlanger, Kentucky. Some of the 52+J members who got a chance to visit might have photos, but many of us newer collectors only learned about it after it was gone.