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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Re: Interesting Treasury Deck
« on: June 11, 2014, 03:56:58 PM »
About the coin at the bottom, I found this link : http://cointrackers.com/coins/322/1890-morgan-silver-dollar/

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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Re: Interesting Treasury Deck
« on: June 11, 2014, 03:34:27 PM »
This deck, c1890, was the first Treasury #89. It had this special joker with, I believe, images of real US coins. Can anyone provide more info on the coins?

Thank you very much Tom !!
The deck is fantastic and I really love the back.. Do you have the original box with the deck ?

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Introduce Yourself / Re: Glad to be here!
« on: June 10, 2014, 03:56:33 PM »
Happy to see you here Colin and hoping make beautiful discoveries with you!
Max

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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Re: A few neat decks..
« on: June 09, 2014, 08:27:26 AM »
Thank you so much for the sharing!! All the decks are really magnificent and I contemplated pix a long time..
About the Derby deck, could you put a scan of the back of the 2nd joker to know what he looks like please ?
For the fabulous Eagle Card Co. Steamboats #124, I saw only another copy some time ago on the cowanauctions website (http://www.cowanauctions.com/auctions/item.aspx?ItemId=34432) but finally, boxes seem identical.
Very pleased to see the deck differently ;)


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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Re: 1881 Sportsman's #202
« on: June 08, 2014, 06:44:52 PM »
I compared your Sportsman's deck with mine and I noticed that the index are not identical : the indexes of your deck are the same that your Army #303, Navy #303 decks and are smaller than mine. I also found another difference (noted in purple on the photo)
Does it mean that your Sportsman's deck is more older, more recent or anything else please Tom ?
Yes, mine is a bit older. Russell, Morgan & Co. was used for the earliest decks - then they changed to Russell & Morgan Co after a couple of years - likely 1883. The earliest decks had the smallest indices and they were not as elongated.
I like the way you were able to enlarge the differences - COOL!


Many thanks for the answer Tom. Would you have possibly a pix or scan of a Sportsman's #202 with the special and extremely rare joker please ? I would like very much seeing a copy.
Here it is - best copy I have.

Would you have the scan of the back please Tom ?
On the pix below, do you recognize the Chinese red back to the left ? Do you know if it was only used with the rare joker?

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I won a Consolidated Squeezers #35 a few weeks ago on eBay but the deck is without box and I have no other indication about the date, except the Encyclopedia. Despite this, is it possible to identify more specifically the issue date of this deck please ?

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I'm still wondering why USPC doesn't make this deck today!

I agree entirely with you Don but it will be maybe a future idea for some designers, as Jackson Robinson or Michael Scott who redrew Triplicate decks and Mauger deck.

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Speaking of Tigers: Here's a rare one - only Tigers we have ever seen with this Ace & Joker [Hochman US1a]. We'd be most interested if anyone else has seen one.

Nice deck Tom and very pleased to see a copy outside the encyclopedia! I think this ace is the most beautiful of all the Tigers #101 issues, even if, paradoxically, I love the joker of the US1.
Another US1/US1a version was recently sold on eBay but really has no the same freshness as yours, largely because of the condition but also because of the different Ace & Joker combination used in my view.

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This is probably half of my (entire!) collection.  I realize you can't see much in these photos, but I plan to feature some of my better decks with individual posts in the future.  If you see any decks you want more info on, let me know.

Hi athomas16,

Would it be possible to have a scan of the deck inside the red Russell & Morgan box please?

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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Re: 1881 Sportsman's #202
« on: June 05, 2014, 11:29:19 AM »
I compared your Sportsman's deck with mine and I noticed that the index are not identical : the indexes of your deck are the same that your Army #303, Navy #303 decks and are smaller than mine. I also found another difference (noted in purple on the photo)
Does it mean that your Sportsman's deck is more older, more recent or anything else please Tom ?
Yes, mine is a bit older. Russell, Morgan & Co. was used for the earliest decks - then they changed to Russell & Morgan Co after a couple of years - likely 1883. The earliest decks had the smallest indices and they were not as elongated.
I like the way you were able to enlarge the differences - COOL!


Many thanks for the answer Tom. Would you have possibly a pix or scan of a Sportsman's #202 with the special and extremely rare joker please ? I would like very much seeing a copy.

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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Re: Ask the Experts at 52 Plus Joker
« on: June 05, 2014, 11:15:17 AM »
Tom is definitely the historian amongst us, but I know enough to blow my toes off one at a time if I aim well.

I did find an interesting picture recently that I was told hasn't been published, but I was also told that the two or three gentlemen on the far right are the principles, one supposedly Morgan.  Tom, do they look familiar to you?  I don't know them "on sight".  I was told this shot was taken about 1901 in Norwood (suburb of Cincinnati) before the "clock tower" was added to the front of the USPCC factory.  Looks right for the period clothing-wise and everything.  The photo was obviously taken with an old lenticular I think is the right word - camera.  Notice the bowing in on the right edge of the picture...
I'm afraid I don't recognize anyone Mike, I was pretty young then. It is a fun photo. I do have pix of some of the principles [McCracken, Omawake, etc] somewhere and I'll try and find them.

If you find these photos, I would be very happy to see them if possible. I discovered Omwake and McCracken faces recently but it would be a pleasure to have other interesting informations about the persons of The Printi-playing Card Company..

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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Re: Ask the Experts at 52 Plus Joker
« on: June 05, 2014, 11:13:22 AM »
I do have pix of some of the principles [McCracken, Omawake, etc] somewhere and I'll try and find them.
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If you find these photos, I would be very happy to see them if possible. I discovered Omwake and McCracken faces recently but it would be a pleasure to have other interesting informations about the persons of The Printi-playing Card Company..

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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Re: Ask the Experts at 52 Plus Joker
« on: June 05, 2014, 04:21:49 AM »
Do you know if there is an antique/vintage deck (as the Stage #65 or Monarch Bicycle) or other ephemera which represents the us manufacturers please ? I ask you that because I'm looking for portraits of us makers and I only found Andrew Dougherty for the moment. I'm very interested to find A. O. Russell, Robert J. Morgan and Samuel J. Murray but do you think that it's possible?
There is a Cincinnati souvenir deck that has pictures of some of these people, because US Printing was so important to the city as an employer, etc. However it is very scarce and expensive if you can find it.

Do you have possibly the name of the souvenir deck please Tom ? About the patents, I sent you PDF files in ZIP format on your mail address. At the moment, there are only 17 files but if I find other interesting, I shall also send them to you.

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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Re: Ask the Experts at 52 Plus Joker
« on: June 05, 2014, 04:19:14 AM »
Tom is definitely the historian amongst us, but I know enough to blow my toes off one at a time if I aim well.

I did find an interesting picture recently that I was told hasn't been published, but I was also told that the two or three gentlemen on the far right are the principles, one supposedly Morgan.  Tom, do they look familiar to you?  I don't know them "on sight".  I was told this shot was taken about 1901 in Norwood (suburb of Cincinnati) before the "clock tower" was added to the front of the USPCC factory.  Looks right for the period clothing-wise and everything.  The photo was obviously taken with an old lenticular I think is the right word - camera.  Notice the bowing in on the right edge of the picture...

Many thanks for the sharing Mike, this photo is a real treasure!! Would it be possible to have an enlarged copy in high definition please ?

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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Re: 1881 Sportsman's #202
« on: June 04, 2014, 03:56:54 PM »
I compared your Sportsman's deck with mine and I noticed that the index are not identical : the indexes of your deck are the same that your Army #303, Navy #303 decks and are smaller than mine. I also found another difference (noted in purple on the photo)
Does it mean that your Sportsman's deck is more older, more recent or anything else please Tom ?

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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Re: Ask the Experts at 52 Plus Joker
« on: June 04, 2014, 05:56:06 AM »
Do you know if there is an antique/vintage deck (as the Stage #65 or Monarch Bicycle) or other ephemera which represents the us manufacturers please ? I ask you that because I'm looking for portraits of us makers and I only found Andrew Dougherty for the moment. I'm very interested to find A. O. Russell, Robert J. Morgan and Samuel J. Murray but do you think that it's possible?

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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Re: Ask the Experts at 52 Plus Joker
« on: June 04, 2014, 01:25:38 AM »
You do realize that "U S Printing Company" is the same company that became US Playing Card Company, right?  Omwake is one of their major early designers, and one of the two patents you showed of his is a major well-known back produced by "Bicycle" brand cards.

Thank you very much Mike but yes, I know that :)
However, could you speak me a little more about J.D McCracken ? What place had he exactly in the company please ?

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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Re: Ask the Experts at 52 Plus Joker
« on: June 03, 2014, 10:20:08 PM »
I would be happy to get copies of the pdf files as they may provide information that would be relevant to the next edition of the Encyclopedia.

As far as patents go, there are literally thousands involving playing card design and hundreds if not thousands of people who applied for patents. I guess the purpose of the Encyclopedia is to catalogue all the brands of all the makers, so that collectors can identify them. A secondary purpose is to provide information and color about the companies themselves. There never was an intention to make Hochman a scholarly treatise on the people involved in the manufacture, other than a few principals of the major companies. The type of research and information need to delve in the history of each design is a subject for another study - by someone with a lot of time on their hands!

Thank you very much for your quickly answer Tom and no problem for the copies. I can send you an archive (RAR or ZIP file) with all the PDF files on your mail address, if you want.

As you say, the research work must be enormous and I understand completely that these names do not appear in the Hochman for that reason. However, when we see what these people have create (major ace of spades and very known backs), I admit that it would be interesting to see them (the most important) in the encyclopedia, if only to pay tribute to their nice work.

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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Re: Ask the Experts at 52 Plus Joker
« on: June 03, 2014, 08:13:42 PM »
Here are other pictures of the patents

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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Re: Ask the Experts at 52 Plus Joker
« on: June 03, 2014, 08:10:38 PM »
Hi  ;)

I have some questions for the experts because I found recently several very interesting documents about the creation of some antique decks, antique backs and especially, with the name of the creators. Did you know these documents and the existence of these patents ? If yes, can you explain me why the name of these people (John Omwake, Alfred J. Manning, etc...) do not appear in the Hochman encyclopedia ? Thank you in advance for your help.
 

Here are some photos of these patents and I have all the PDF files if you are interested.

a+ Max

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We already have one topic that's covering Bee antique backs.  I'm going to combine the two.

You're definitely in the right place to kick such a project off!

Thank you Don for the movement and sorry to have create a new subject for that..

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I'm curious, what purpose does the Progressive Euchre card serve?  I've never even heard of one until I read your post.

I could not say more to the answer of Tom. However, you can look at this link to have some additional pictures and information :

http://www.wopc.co.uk/usa/uspcc/cabinet.html

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I would want to open a new subject  that is very close to my heart, concerning a project about antique playing cards which I would like to realize.

I wish to combine in an article or a booklet, most of the backs which were used by several us playing card makers.

I have already begun this work and for the moment, it concerns the standard monotone and antique backs.

I attached some pictures of the names of back which I have now. I know that I am lacking a lot of names or back design and for that reason, I would like to ask your help, because I can not do it alone.

If you are volunteer to help me, if you have interesting information, scan, ephemera, and if you wish to share them for this project, you are really welcome. I think that it would be really enriching that several people can participate.

If you have ideas, remarks, advice to create that, please feel free.
The last photo corresponds to the books which could certainly be very useful to facilitate the development of the project.

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Nice find and one of my favorite pieces of playing card ephemera - full of good info on USPC'S/Russell/Morgan earliest issues. Now your challenge will be to find the other 4!!

You are right about the challenge!! I hope to find soon one new edition. Have you all of them ?

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About The United States Playing Card Museum, would you have some additional photos of the decks of their archives? Both which are here were published on the official Bicycle Facebook page.

If you're referring to the one that USPC created at the company plant in Cincinnati, the museum was shuttered for good a handful of years ago and in 2009, the entire operation was moved to a suburb of Cincinnati called Erlanger, Kentucky.  Some of the 52+J members who got a chance to visit might have photos, but many of us newer collectors only learned about it after it was gone.

Thank you for information Don. About the USPCC posters, do you know if it's still possible to find and buy them?

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