how much do you wanna bet that they end up doing some kind of "join the guild" thing for this deck

I'd bet a lot on that happening

all I'm saying is that if I had a nickel for every overhyped, underwhelming deck that came out recently, I'd have at least more than a couple nickels. I'll wait until I see more from the deck but I'm sick of blurry photos that show basically nothing of the deck accompanied by a bunch of words about how awesome the deck will be, and that's basically what this is so far: all words. Let the deck speak for itself.

as far as the deck still being in stock, you'd figure it would have sold out by now given the past history of limited ellusionist decks, but I think there are a few good reasons why it hasn't. One is that they did release the link on their facebook page, but the deck is still hidden on the site. Anyone who didn't see the facebook posting or see it from a 3rd party site isn't going to know about it. Granted, they have over 100k likes on their facebook page, but I highly doubt anything but a small amount of those people are really concerned with hardcore collecting to the extent that a lot of people here are (me included). A lot of E's consumer base is concerned with magic first and foremost, which I guess could be considered reason #2.

Another reason is that E has severely limited the amount anyone can buy in one order. Other decks may have collectors getting bricks of these, and resellers buying multiple bricks which would have the deck running out significantly quicker than it is right now. I actually like the way E is limiting orders because not limiting the deck really only hurts collecters and benefits resellers who are looking to make a profit off the deck (although that didn't stop people in this case given the whole secret thing). I think we would've seen this deck sell out very quickly if it weren't for these factors, or at least way quicker than it already has.

in the situation where the deck was kept a secret and sold out before being completely available, everyone and their mother would buy the next deck by E that had a "secret" because they would want the chance to get a rare deck.

update on the shipping situation:

Im sorry I cant tell you what another companies business model or shipping rates are compared to ours. I asked the warehouse to get the actual cost to ship your package via UPS and it came to $8.68 so I refunded you in paypal $2.46

- Jennifer.

not a huge refund but I didn't really expect any refund so I can't complain. Hopefully E can take care of the whole situation and keep its customers happy. Overall I think they handled the situation pretty well, with realizing their mistake through these forums and eventually taking some responsibility and helping their customers. $8.68 is still pretty high for shipping but E has always had pretty high shipping rates so it's not a big surprise.

question. Have we all decided to waste our entire night telling evan how wrong he was for what he did? I was pissed but I feel its old news.

well I've just about realized it's totally a lost cause. Doesn't really matter what he says anyway

Quote from: sr15 on November 06, 2012, 01:52:07 AM

Quote from: Evan on November 06, 2012, 01:49:14 AM

Quote from: brown_baggs on November 06, 2012, 01:46:47 AM

Yeah I also noticed Evan trying to keep info from possible buyers. I posted a comment on his playing cards page on facebook and it was deleted. I posted it again so people would have the info and would pay an ungodly price for a deck they could get for less than 10 bucks and that comment was deleted and I was blocked from posting on the page! That's going a long ways to stop people from knowing basic information. I find it extremely dishonorable and I would consider him an ambassador for the card community like CBJ and others. Tis a shame

This is ridiculous and yet again false! I banned one person and clearly it was you, and the reason was because you that person was repeatedly posting the link to the decks, and every time I deleted it, it was posted again, so I to banned that person from posting on my page.

someone who runs a facebook page about playing cards is deleting information about playing cards on the page...

well that's just great

Deleting information that is not for everyone. In the past, I have been asked by the companies to remove information like that because it is not meant for people who in this case, did not decipher the Sultan deck.

yet you didn't delete your ebay auction that revealed the deck, and you ordered at least twice the amount of the deck you were supposed to. who are you to say that the information isn't for everyone?

are you saying that what I said here is false:

When you were advertising your original auctions, I mentioned that the deck was available on Ellusionist and that the first person who bought your deck was massively overpaying. This was before E changed the link. All my comments were deleted by you. If you want to make this your word vs. mine, I'm fine with that because your word has no credibility right now.

or are you saying that you don't agree that it's suppressing information

Quote from: sr15 on November 06, 2012, 01:26:12 AM

Quote from: Evan on November 06, 2012, 01:23:43 AM

Quote from: sr15 on November 06, 2012, 01:21:06 AM

Quote from: Evan on November 06, 2012, 01:17:46 AM

@Don, I believe I've even heard you say this: "An item is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it"

"an item is worth more when I hide information from others"

That's a fantastic quote and I thank you for sharing it, but I haven't done anything like that.

you deleted my posts specifically from the facebook page where I informed others about the deck. what do you call that?

I deleted comments of people who were posting the link to the deck. I did not delete comments that were just telling people about the deck. I even told people that it was available on Ellusionist.com, but only to people who deciphered the Sultan deck.

not once did I post the link to the deck, yet you deleted multiple comments made by me. you deleted posts informing about the deck when the link was revealed and easy to find, and then told people about the deck once Ellusionist changed the link because you had nothing to worry about then.

@Don, I believe I've even heard you say this: "An item is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it"

"an item is worth more when I hide information from others"

The first one you sold you sold for like $40. that is a huge profit.

the first three he sold at 40 bucks...not sure when evan became such a bullshitter

anyway, I'm not sure if Ellusionist is trying to avoid responsibility, but I've now gotten two responses from two different people that are essentially saying that we'll all have to eat the cost from their mistake (assuming it is a mistake and not just them trying to get extra money from inflated shipping costs). Obviously they don't have to do anything, but it would be great for their reputation if they fixed it in some way.

I'm not concerned about 33 cents, I'm concerned about the nearly 7 dollar difference between an order I placed on E last week and an order I placed today for a different company. These prices are for the same delivery method. USPS priority mail was quoted at nearly 12 dollars last week, while it was 4.50 on an order I placed today.

I just checked the shipping for 3 regular sultan republic decks, and it seems like it's been fixed for that since it's now 7 dollars for priority and 4 dollars for first class, but these weren't there when I made my order. I don't have the link for the treasury decks and I don't know if shipping for them is different, but there is obviously a large disparity between the shipping on my order for 3 decks and the shipping for 3 decks right now.

edit: It also doesn't explain why first class USPS shipping is available now but wasn't available for my order last friday.

edit2: for reference, I actually used UPS ground to ship these, because at the time it was cheaper than the quote for USPS priority mail.