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Design & Development / NEW DECK DESIGN + GAFF DECK
« on: August 02, 2012, 12:10:56 PM »
Hey Guys,
     I was thinking about working on a new deck design, but also include a new, 52 card gaff deck with it.I was wondering what you guys thought of this, and if this would even be a good idea to pursue??This is a lot of work, and I want to at least make sure a lot of people are interested before I even start. Tell me what you guys think!   :karrit:

Thanks
Juan G Perez

Hidden Mirrors Magic

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Hey Guys,
     My friends over at Mecha-Muse made a kickstarter project with 3 custom decks!!This is the first time I have ever seen anything of this magnitude!!I like the back designs, but I really like all of the custom court cards!You guys really need to check this out!!

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/mecha-muse/spider-kingdoms-playing-card-series-3-decks

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Playing Card Plethora / Re: [New Deck] Bicycle Eclipse Playing Cards
« on: June 07, 2012, 12:41:35 PM »
The Discourse! Thank you guys so much. I know you guys have been here long before I came around, and I really appreciate all the hard work that you guys put into building a strong community that has a love for playing cards. This site has one of the biggest platforms that helped bring attention to our project and we thank you so much from the bottom of our hearts.

Thanks you all for the kind words, the honest input and the passion you all put into not just my topics, but all the topics about playing cards. I am sure that every Kickstarter deck and many more owe you guys a debt of gratitude.

It is important to us that we are active members on any forum we use for promotion, While we are hard at work on our project, we will try to stop by and chime in on any topic we might be able to add value to. We want people to know we are dedicated to the people, so if there is every a question or topic we are not responding too fast enough, please reach us directly at HiddenMirrorsMagic@gmail.com

Again, we can't thank you enough.

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Playing Card Plethora / Re: [New Deck] Bicycle Eclipse Playing Cards
« on: June 04, 2012, 06:10:19 PM »
Congratulation! :)
If his has been stated already in this thread,then i´m sorry and it has passed me but what is the 2nd gaff card (the first one seems to be a double backed card).


The fist card is a double backer and the second card is a double facer  8)

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Design & Development / Re: vivd deck
« on: June 04, 2012, 12:32:31 PM »
I like your Diamond alot. The back could be cool, I am trying to picture it, Might be best if you just do the back and see what people think. Also, a great writer once said you should never show people your unfinished work. If you have some vision in your head, untill you get it done, we are not all going to be able to understand what you see.

But the concept sounds cool, all those colors, probably look cooler then the bicycle rainbow deck.

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Design & Development / Re: Worth another try?
« on: June 04, 2012, 12:28:35 PM »
Hey Man, I just wanted to say, I feel for you. A Kickstater Project is an Emotional Roller-coaster when you have a project, but the best thing is that you learn from your mistakes, be honest with yourself and keep trying.

I would like to See Ultra Ape with a goal closer to $4k, $5k.

Then focus on Push Goals, if you get to $8k then you print with USPCC or something, that's what The Grind did and I think it worked for them.

Also, Post on Forums, Related to Monkeys, Comics, Board Games, anything you think is even remotely related to your deck. Besides that, try to make real friends, one at a time on youtube, facebook and twitter.

Then, if you really want to just get the cards made, make your Pledge Bracktes as Low as Possible, but offer better  deals for people that spend more money. Your going to need those 3 or 4 guys that put up $1k, so make them a good deal. Think of other ways to make the Art a Reward, Your Joker is my favorite card BTW, just my 2 cents. Also, Study every thing about the Kickstarter Projects that made it. See what mistakes they made and what right moves they had in common. Half of it is the art, but the other Half is Business. Think of other things you can get made that go with the cards, but keep it related to the art on the cards.

Last, I will say, I am personally not that into Apes, which you mentioned might be a problem, But, if you like them, others will too. Just take your time, be flexable and work with the people. Your already on the right path, best of luck, E-mail us anytime, even if you just want to chat. HiddenMirrorsMagic@gmail.com You can do it  :) Don't let it get to you.

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Design & Development / Re: Need some Help
« on: June 04, 2012, 12:12:04 PM »
Here is a little teaser.

I am looking for 2 more people for input.

I will give it a look HiddenMirrorsMagic@gmail.com

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Playing Card Plethora / Re: [New Deck] Bicycle Eclipse Playing Cards
« on: June 04, 2012, 12:09:51 PM »
Congrats on getting it funded! With 27 hours to go, it would be nice for you to get past 11,000$ because there always are a certain amount of credit card failures that you need to take into account. But still, great job!

Yeah, I hear ya, that's why we are trying to push as hard as we can. I think people will really like the Referral program and the Art prints on the next Deck are Very cool looking. It's amazing how much everyone has helped, kind of too much to take in right now  :karrit: but in 24 hours, it might hit us. Special thanks to you Natahan, i have seen your name alot as I been swimming threw threads and forums and such. I appreciate all help

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Playing Card Plethora / Re: [New Deck] Bicycle Eclipse Playing Cards
« on: June 04, 2012, 10:59:59 AM »
Thx so much for the post CBJ and yes, we have reached are goal. We are so excited about this and we have 1 last program to introduce to all of you that may be interested.

We would like to introduce to you, The Backer Referral Program.  For the last 24 hours, any new backer  who pledges at least $10 who was referred by a current backer, Both People  will received a free 8x10 Laminated and Singed Print of the Official Art of our Upcoming Deck “Codenamed: Bonfire”.  These prints will Never be Sold and WILL NOT be included in the next Project. The only way to get them is the Backer Referral Program which only last for the next 24 hours. 

We cannot post Pictures of the print online of the 8x10 print (We will once the next project launches), but I can tell you it will have 4 pictures on it, the Back of the Card, Our 100% Custom King of Hearts,  10 of Spades and the 2 of Diamonds. All the cards on this deck will be 100% Custom with a concept that will blow your mind! Just a little token of our apparition to everyone that not only pledged, but also took the time to spread the word and make so many dreams come thru.

F.A.Q.

If you are a 100% new backer, and want the print, all you would need to do is get one other person to pledge atleast $10 and you both get the prints. We wanted to make sure old and new people could get this reward and no one would be left out. Just send us a comment on kickstarter saying who referred. We need mails from both people to confirm the link between both parties. Mail us if you have any questions.

Again, thank you to the Mods and Owner/s of the Discourse, this Site has had the most conversation about the Deck and I think that had a great deal to do with our success. Please let us know if you are a Mod here or a Owner and you pledged, we be more then happy to send you a free deck for all your help. It really means alot to us that you guys spread the word and gave helpful tips about the art and the kickstarter project in general. We will never forget you.

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Playing Card Plethora / Re: [New Deck] Bicycle Eclipse Playing Cards
« on: June 03, 2012, 08:06:58 PM »
Thx for all the support guys. we are getting close and pls don't fight over this, I am not sure what all that was about, but we have contacted many wholesalers that are willing to buy decks after they are made and we understand that move. While we call for people to spread the word, pls don't bother about our deck if you think they may not want them. We really don't want people seeing this project in any kind of bad light.

But on topic, we are so happy to see the increase in our last few days. In response to extra brackets and extra rewards on top of the already mentioned rewards, be sure, after we get everything, we are thinking of ways to reward people even further, but do not want to put our foot in our months and promise on anything we can't afford to deliver. We already thru our accounting sheets out the window to give everyone the deals we mentioned, we don't want to promise to much stuff, but after we get everything, if there is extra, rest assure people we see posting on forums and trying to help us will be remember in this card project and future card projects. We can't do it with out you.

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Playing Card Plethora / Re: [New Deck] Bicycle Eclipse Playing Cards
« on: June 03, 2012, 12:59:51 AM »
In the future, you can expect alot more creative deals from Hidden Mirrors, we are learning alot from the backers and people on the forums and you will see that we will be shaped and molded by the people.

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Playing Card Plethora / Re: [New Deck] Bicycle Eclipse Playing Cards
« on: June 01, 2012, 01:15:52 PM »
nice deal ... but what does it mean by any back that upgrades ?? will i get 2 free deck and 1 free uncut if i pledge for $45 or more?

If we get funded, every backers gets a free deck, we will sign it if you like. If you are $45 or above when we get funded, you get a Free-Uncut Sheet Signed.

There is also the Upgrade bonus, this is for people that already backed us. If they increase their pledge we will reward them with ANOTHER FREE Deck, singed.

So for example, if you already backed us, and you increase to the $45 bracket, you get the 6 decks from the reward, 1 deck for the upgrade, 1 deck when we get funded, and the uncut sheet, a total of 8 decks and 1 uncut sheet for $45! And these are now decks that will never be reprinted past this kickstarter run. the left over will get sold at $8, you can get them for half that on kickstarter now.

another example is if you are new backer and you come it at 45, you would get those 6 decks, the uncut and the 1 deck when we get funded. The Increase pledge bonus only happens if after you entered 45 you went up to the next bracket, which is 52. Any backer that increase there bracket gets that bonus deck. So again, if a new backer comes in at 10, then upgrades to 45, they get the upgrade bonus too, which is kind of cheating, but we don't care :) we want everyone to get the best deal on Kickstarter. We have come too close to let that supported us down, we will do anything we can to make these decks a reality for them.

So you can get decks as low as 4.30 a deck, that's basically 50% off suggested retail AND free shipping. We listened to our backers and we are really pulling to give them everything they could ask for and more, no exaggeration, check update #6 and update #7 and see how we listened to everything they wanted and then some :)

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Playing Card Plethora / Re: [New Deck] Bicycle Eclipse Playing Cards
« on: June 01, 2012, 11:00:49 AM »
We Heard you loud and clear, here come the Rewards for all our loyal backers!

·         Any Backer that Upgrades gets a FREE Signed Deck added on to their selected reward.
·         Any Backer that Upgrades to $45 or more gets the already mentioned FREE Signed Deck AND a FREE Signed Uncut-Card Sheet added onto their selected reward.
·        Any Backer already above $45 will get the Free Signed Uncut-Card Sheet automatically, Thank you for your support! Still consider upgrading to get the FREE Signed Deck.
·         Please message us and let us know you upgraded so we can make sure everyone gets their free decks!!! :)

·         As an Added Bonus, if we get Funded, EVEYONE GETS AND ADDITIONAL FREE DECK (Signed by Request) that means, if you upgrade AND we get funded, you would be getting 2 FREE DECKS! 1 for the Upgrade and 1 as a Reward for the funding.  And remember, if your Pledge is $45 or higher, you get that Free Signed Un-Cut Sheet as well!
·         Last but no not least, this Deck will Never be Re-printed after the Kickstarter Project is over. This is your only chance to Own Hidden Mirror’s First deck ever created.

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Introduce Yourself / Re: Hello from Hidden Mirrors
« on: May 10, 2012, 06:07:26 PM »
Welcome to the Discourse.  I admire your work with kids - I perform magic for young patients at a hospital in Brooklyn once a week.


That is amazing, it is great that you can make the sick forget about their injuries and illnesses.Even if its only for a few minutes or seconds...I think its always worth it...Magic is wonderful.

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Introduce Yourself / Re: Hello from Hidden Mirrors
« on: May 10, 2012, 06:04:15 PM »
I started doing magic back in the 5th grade, when one of my family members pulled a quarter from behind my ear, I was amazed, so he taught me the trick, and I went around pulling quarters out of all of my friends ears and they were all amazed....then a few years later in 1997 I saw David Blaines 1st Street Magic special,and it changed my life completely!!!!!! My brother then gave me a book and A dvd:Michael Ammars Easy to Master Card Miracles Volume 2.....best gift ever lol...........Years later I found Ellusionist and all of the coolness they brought to magic...Now Im here trying to what I love doing. Trying to be a better Magician and Artist!!! (That was a very brief summary lol)

Juan G


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Playing Card Plethora / Re: JUST GOT MY PROOFS!!
« on: May 10, 2012, 01:47:12 PM »
yeah, the color is a mix of reds and a little pink to brighten it up, and the blacks are alittle on the grey side as well to make them also stand out on the black backround. And no I have not received a Prototype deck from them yet.

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Playing Card Plethora / JUST GOT MY PROOFS!!
« on: May 10, 2012, 12:35:54 PM »
Hey guy we got the proofs to all of our cards for the "BICYCLE ECLIPSE" deckl!!Check them out, and let me know what you guys think!!I made the red in the pips a lot  brighter for the red cards, and now they pop!  ;)

Also, you can now see where the word "Bicycle" will be on the Card Case.

Thanks Guys
Juan G

Check it out!!

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/juangperez/bicycle-eclipse-playing-cards-by-hidden-mirrors?ref=activity

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Pure Smoke is ok - I have a friend that used it to propose to his girl, it blew the room away to say the least, but, he told me it was a pain to wear all day. And there was things on it that broke on day one. He has ideas on how to modify it, which is no big deal since this is something all magicians should be willing to do, E already went thru the trouble of making a good product. But there are just not very up-front with some of there claims.

As far as Cards Go, I think Infinite is the best deck around, or Green Artifice. These are both cards you can use all the time on people are are cool enough to look at, without people asking too many questions about them. I personally enjoy the free "Master Series" Blue deck they give out too, I use them for practice the most because they feel a little better then regular card, but are basically free so I don't mind as much when they get damaged.

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Introduce Yourself / Hello from Hidden Mirrors
« on: May 07, 2012, 09:00:47 AM »
Hi guys, I am a stickler for trying to respect every forums rules, so even though I already started posting, I wanted to take some time to officially sign in.

I am Juan G. from Hidden Mirrors, we are a small rag tag Magic Company that wants to focus on helping people get in-touch with there hidden talents and understand the value of feeling important. We are really big into charity work, especially with children, mostly in Camden, NJ at the moment. Besides that, we also want to bring people together from different hobbies or trades so we can learn from each other, not really the secrets, but more of the presentation and reasons behind why we all do what we do.

For now, we are just card lovers with dreams, so you can follow us at our website which is almost done (the page there now is temporary) or just catch us here on the forums. Take care.

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Hi Lance! You are another designer that I was much looking forward to speaking with, I have a steam punk deck I think made by Theory 11 and I must say, your deck really surpasses that one. I was not around when you where getting funded but I will try to track down a pack of your cards for purchase because they are truly impressive.

I will address the English grammar issues just to clarify, the simple problem is that my associate LC Roman did most of the writing for this project. As far as the spelling goes, I will take your advice and hire someone to do this for us in the future. I know in business you should know your weakness and bring people in to help you, but we have no money for this sort of thing yet, so we do the best we can with what we have at the moment.

And some designers may question our ideas and experience, but again, we are self taught in design and what we bring to the table is our experience with magic. In time, we will get better with design and also work with more experiences artist once we can afford to hire them, this attempt on kickstarter has already attracted 2 young talented artists to our cause and you can be sure to see future work from them.

I just ask that people keep in mind what we are trying to do, we are people with ideas, and we are turning to kickstarter to see if we can get the funding to bring these ideas to life. And so far, we have seen great support from people and have made great strides to reach our goals.

We also have taken the time to respond to each and every post on every website and every e-mail to address everyone's thoughts on the deck, simply because we want people to know we truly care and we will not rest until people know that Hidden Mirrors is a group that cares and listens to the people.

There is more then one way to solve a problem, and I think people are jumping to conclusions on our design, stating, as if it is fact, that our ideas don't solve problems, or work. A truth is our boarders are inkless and it is not possible for them to chip, since there is Zero ink. The Bicycle Template is one of the most easiest to understand and recognize by the average person, and we did not stray from the traditional red and black color palette to further reduce confusion. Combine this with the alternate pip on each card, and the outlines, when a card appears in front of you, or if you are standing a few feet away, everyone knows what card it is. We know this from our test crowds, with these horrible hand printed cards, we know, the real cards will be even better, and this is something we will just have to prove once we have the real cards. We did not want to include any of these videos on this project because honestly there is no reason for any viewer to trust the crowd is real, so why waste anyone's time.

I thank you guys for your support and ask that we just keep in mind what it is people on kickstarter are doing, this is not a contest, or a way to prove who is better then who. This is a chance for small businesses to secure funding to go on and do what they want to do. I may not agree or like every product or idea out there, but I do understand that those people behind it work hard and have alot on the line with there ventures. We all may come from different schools of thought, or have different ideas about cards, but in the end, we are all doing our part to provide consumers with as many options as possible when it comes to picking a deck. And that's always a good thing. I will stay in touch.


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Wow, first I have to say thank you guys so much for checking the deck out. It really means alot to us. And you guys have some great points about the deck. The hardest thing about Design is trying to find that place where you make everyone happy, so for what it's worth, just know in our future decks, your words will be on our minds when we work.

I especially want to address Paul from Encarda, I got to say, I am really excited to be able to talk to you, you developed a great deck man, and we hold you in the highest regaurds, especially on Kickstarter. Your the Alpha Male of the pack as it stands and will always be the guy that started the kickstarter tread in my eyes, for all kinds of reasons.

The White on White boards was a evolution of a idea. I am sure we both are fans of ellusionist, and I have to give credit to ellusionist for the White on White Boards. There New Artifice Series was the Card that showed how nice an important White Boarders are on dark cards. They Sealed the deal with Infinite. So they Basically hand feed Hidden Mirrors the idea of doing the same exact thing to the faces. It was just a progression. Dark Faces was also there idea when they changed the Card world with Black tigers, those guys are the true innovators in my humble opinion.

We only claim originality because as far as we know, we are the first Deck to have pure white on white boarders, but I am sure ellusionist is right behind us. So how original are we? We just slightly improved on the idea they showed us. And in the end, it doesn't really matter who did what first, people only card about weather they want to buy the product or not.

I say this because I want you to know, in no way, did we look at Tendril and then copy your idea. I have praised Tendril in many forums, your shadow boarders are bit different then ours, the fade concept wasn't actually something that crossed our minds, and it was a really good idea. And here is my promise that you will never see us make a deck that fades from black to grey on the border, I saw your youtube video where you explained the shadow boarder concept, and we will never try to steal that from you. It's important to us for you to know how much we respect your work and success.

Also, to address some other popular points from other posters, Deck is Bicycle Brand, the Prototype were hand made by me and my friends on a home printer with Bicycle card stocks. And there are several places I misspelled Mirros instead of Mirrors, we are going to be more careful in the future. We are new at this, but trust me when I say we are dedicated to being the best, we are consumers and we know how much the consumers should be respected, which Is why we are going to every topic we can find and making sure everyone knows we are listing and learning.

Thank you guys so much, you can always reach out to us directly at HiddenMirrorsMagic@gmail.com and if you have any questions or ideas or complaints, we are so driven to proven our selves, we will get back to you. You will see us around here too. So take care.

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