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Congratulations! Gorgeous decks.

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Playing Card Plethora / Re: Mantecore Playing Cards
« on: May 27, 2015, 03:05:38 AM »
Maybe make the M look like it's got fangs, to tie in with the tiger theme.

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Playing Card Plethora / Re: The Iconic Deck by Charles Wallace (KS)
« on: April 22, 2015, 06:17:17 PM »
I like it! I especially like the subtle one way back, the theme coherence and the all original art...

...chose to honor tradition by painstakingly drawing his courts exactly like the standards. I applaud that effort.

I don't see anywhere on the project that says the artwork is original or that the courts were drawn. The icons all look stock and the courts look like a generic printer's proof. Nothing about this project seems original or looks like any effort was put into it at all.

He was being facetious.

Right on! At least trying. And I had to look that word up.

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Playing Card Plethora / Re: The Iconic Deck by Charles Wallace (KS)
« on: April 22, 2015, 05:32:01 AM »
I like it! I especially like the subtle one way back, the theme coherence and the all original art. And,  seriously guys, isn't this custom courts fad really overrated? It's good to see someone pay homage to the standard courts that we all know and love. I mean, he could probably spank out some great custom courts, as evident by the excellent back, I'm thinking JR or Linnea from Uusi, or, he could have used different, unrelated icons as courts, but instead he chose to honor tradition by painstakingly drawing his courts exactly like the standards. I applaud that effort.

The only thing I don't like in this deck is the spider-excavator in the lower right of the back.

It scares me.

For this reason, I'm out, but good luck with the deck.

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Playing Card Plethora / Re: Norse Mythology playing cards on KS
« on: April 02, 2015, 09:51:21 AM »
I have had a look at your deck. Unfortunately, I'm not a great fan of art decks, which I think this is. Nevertheless, I can offer some suggestions:
I would like to see some more of your art up close, because I think you are rather talented, but in the tiny images the faces becomes a grey, undefined blob to me.
To me it seems rather unpractical to have the number and the pip in different corners.
Some of the courts seem a bit unfinished to me, like if they are preliminary sketches, that holds the promise of something truly magnificent, but it's not there just yet.
What does the number cards look like?

Best regards and good luck


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Playing Card Plethora / Re: Bicycle Four Seasons (KS)
« on: March 30, 2015, 04:49:00 AM »
It looks cool, I think. I'm afraid that the intricate pip design might get lost in the printing, at least in the indices. What do you others think?

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I don't know, I kinda like some of the separate elements, but together with the aged paper and those thingies at the sides, the frame fetish and the banners behind the indices, it's just too much. What's up with all the banner-behind-the-indices decks, btw? And those eyes really does look rather lifeless. I think they could remove some stuff and get a better looking deck.

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Playing Card Plethora / Re: Contraband by theory11
« on: March 12, 2015, 07:06:31 PM »
I like it. This last year or two I have been much more drawn to T11's than E's decks.

It might be more accurate to say you've been preferring T11 over Madison/McKinnon decks!

Probably, I hope someday E will find the path back to the Infinity/Artifice styled decks. These two decks were the ones that made me choose E for my first decks.

Some of the prohibition decks look really good, I just don't like the theme.

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Playing Card Plethora / Re: Contraband by theory11
« on: March 12, 2015, 04:03:42 AM »
I like it. This last year or two I have been much more drawn to T11's than E's decks.

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Playing Card Plethora / Re: New NOUVEAU Bicycle deck
« on: December 16, 2014, 02:49:26 AM »
If I may point out one little thing I notised. I do apologize if it has been brought up before. The court looks great, I like the first one, especially. But in the middle of the yellowish tint, there is a crisp white line around the figure. To me that line breaks the spell of niceness that the rest of the court evokes. Would it be ok to try to give that line a slightly more yellow tint, like the cards background, maybe? 

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Playing Card Plethora / Re: Steve Cohen's "Tycoons" (an Interview)
« on: December 11, 2014, 03:57:16 AM »
Very interesting read. Thank you!

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Design & Development / Re: Updated standard court
« on: December 11, 2014, 03:16:44 AM »
It does look very good as a slightly more modern design with lots of nods to the original. But in my very humble opinion it doesn't set it apart enough from other designs I've seen. Is it possible to distill it even more so that it shows more of rjtomlinson in it?

If I may ask: what would your courts look like if you'd never seen a court card before? Of course, that would be rather hard, but I hope you understand what I mean.

If you did that jack just from your own head, and then added a few nods to history, would it look any different?

EDIT: I went back and reread the thread, and I think I understand what you mean. You want them to be very clearly recognizable as standard playing cards courts, yet with a modern touch? In that case you can't change all too much, but you have to keep them conforming to the standard. You've done great with these.
How important is it to you to stick to the standard design? For example, Jackson Robinsons standard courts deviate rather much from standard, yet they are clearly recognizable?

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Ow, so close, yet so far away. Congrats to the winners!

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Well, I for one, hope that people are busy with cyber Monday. Y'all can att tell us what you bought on Wednesday, OK?

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Playing Card Plethora / Re: Best New designer of 2014
« on: November 04, 2014, 04:51:38 PM »
I second the Rick Davidson nomination.

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Playing Card Plethora / Re: Best Face Design Cards of 2014
« on: November 04, 2014, 04:45:45 PM »
Origins by Rick Davidson.

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Origins by Rick Davidson.

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Playing Card Plethora / Re: Best Back Design of 2014
« on: November 04, 2014, 04:33:50 PM »
Origins by Rick Davidson.

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Playing Card Plethora / Re: Best Deck of 2014 Award Nominations
« on: November 04, 2014, 04:31:51 PM »
Origins by Rick Davidson.

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December 3.

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Design & Development / Re: Joker 809
« on: October 08, 2014, 05:44:27 PM »
Great to see you are still trying to get this done. However, I have to second Dons advice:
"I still think you'd stand a far greater chance of success if you altered your designs to match the Bicycle Rider Back and USPC standard faces, only getting the extra cards printed." 

The new court cards is already a stretch to get people to accept, no need to make it even more difficult with custom courts and pips and colors, especially if you are going to get the casinos on the train.

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Design & Development / Re: Is it Just Me, or is Something Wrong?
« on: October 01, 2014, 07:15:20 PM »
Don, it's not just you. I agree with everything you say.

But from a business standpoint:
Limited sells, because collectors feel that they might be left behind if they don't buy, when there's a limited supply. Example: iPhone.
Bells and whistles sells because the more extra perceived value you can add to an item, the more it sells, and the more you can charge. Example: iPhone
Series sells, because collectors tend to want a complete set.

Fever items at a higher price works like this:
When you sell something at a higher price you need to sell fewer items to recoup the initial investment.
By charging a premium you create a perceived sense of extra value.
By charging a premium only the ones who easily can afford to buy, buy it, those are often the least prone to return stuff. 

If you try to sell many decks cheap, you get much more competition, those standard bikes for example, and there's always someone willing to sacrifice some profit, and sell theirs even cheaper.

From a customer standpoint.
Awesome design and bells and whistles, at a cheap price, and no limited stuff, yes, please.

As much as I enjoy using my iPhone (MOST of the time!), it's not a good example.  IPhones aren't in limited supply, at least not here - it's been a few years since they had total sellouts all over the place, especially on launch day.  But that doesn't really matter, as I get the general gist of what you're saying.

If you want to talk about limited supplies, look at the customer base.  There's only so many people that are willing to pay the kind of prices collectors pay for a brand new pack of cards - in the eyes of most people, it's just a stack of paper, barely more valuable than a newspaper.

Obviously, going the mass market Rider Backs route is a losing game - they're just barely this side of being commoditized.  But as a famous Buddhist once taught, why must we choose from extremes?  There's a sweet spot, a point where decks are looked at as premium merchandise, but are also less expensive and thus more desirable - more desirable than a pack of Rider Backs AND some uber-premium deck that goes for 20 or 25 bucks a pack and only a small number of people ever get the chance to own them.

The premium end stuff has a limited audience.  If there are companies capable of doing this, even without having to dip in the Kickstarter pool - and we all know which companies they are - then why aren't more people aiming for that sweet spot and turning a project here and a project there into an honest, ongoing business of their own.  I would love to see more people using Kickstarter merely as the launch pad it was meant to be, weaning themselves off of it and becoming businesspeople and employers rather than someone else's employee.

Oops, well, iPhones used to be in short supply, at least here, and I still hear about people waiting in line several hour on release day. Great that you understood my meaning anyway.

The problem seems to be that designers today apparently thinks that their decks must have all the bells and whistles, a box made of unicorn skin, and be hand numbered by the Lord above and then some extra features on top of that, in order to sell. Or is it us collectors that are creating this circle by buying decks with extra everything?

Those companies you mention, they seem to pound out custom, and even semi-custom decks regularly, decks that seems to sell rather well. There is no reason why, as you say, someone could create a thriving business there. However, I can't keep from wondering, how big part of E's or T11's sales are decks? (Assuming those are the companies you meant.)

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Design & Development / Re: Is it Just Me, or is Something Wrong?
« on: October 01, 2014, 06:49:58 AM »
Don, it's not just you. I agree with everything you say.

But from a business standpoint:
Limited sells, because collectors feel that they might be left behind if they don't buy, when there's a limited supply. Example: iPhone.
Bells and whistles sells because the more extra perceived value you can add to an item, the more it sells, and the more you can charge. Example: iPhone
Series sells, because collectors tend to want a complete set.

Fever items at a higher price works like this:
When you sell something at a higher price you need to sell fewer items to recoup the initial investment.
By charging a premium you create a perceived sense of extra value.
By charging a premium only the ones who easily can afford to buy, buy it, those are often the least prone to return stuff. 

If you try to sell many decks cheap, you get much more competition, those standard bikes for example, and there's always someone willing to sacrifice some profit, and sell theirs even cheaper.

From a customer standpoint.
Awesome design and bells and whistles, at a cheap price, and no limited stuff, yes, please.




 









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I really want to love these, and I do, mostly. But there are some tiny, tiny issues I would like to ask my fellow collectors about:
1. The color of the number and the letters part of the Indices seems to be black on the red cards too.(and white on the black deck) Aren't they usually red on the red cards? It looks a little strange to me.
2. On the Verana deck the index pips seem to all be with the white little thingy, except for the Ace of Spades?
3.Those white thingies, some seems to be blurred, some seems to be sharp, some seems to be of a brownish color. Is my computer or my eyes fooling me?
4. On the Inverno deck, only one of the middle pips of the Ten of Spades have the extra line, but on the Verana deck, The Ten of Diamonds have it on both middle pips.
5. To be honest, I don't feel those white thingies in the pips at all. The more I look at the cards the more I think the white lines detract from the pure awesomeness of the courts and backs.

I'm afraid I might be obsessing with tiny details too much.

And I only have 38 hours to make up my mind, Arrrgh.

I'll take a stab at it. :)

1. Yes usually. Since the two decks go together I believe he's making an artistic point with the colors of the letters and numbers on the indices. Usually I'm pretty anal about indices, with these I kinda get it.
2. Looks like it, solid pip on the AoS with the flamboyant spade placed center of the card. Again, I think it's an artistic choice there.
3. They all look pretty sharp to me with a slight shadow effect. Yes, some of them have the golden color added to the pip, the different color may make blend a bit and make it appear blurry on your screen. Personally I think the golden color looks nice and tie in well with the summer theme for that deck.

I think it's the little things that can set a deck apart, and the little things that can ruin the appeal of a deck. Hard to know which it will do. For me, I've been enjoying the little things with these but I can certainly see how they could bring about a different reaction. I really hope he reconsiders those limited seals if it cracks $65,000. I don't like those kinds of seals much. Happier knowing I have one of a thousand than it being stuck to the deck with a specific number.

I've been in the same boat before, limited time to make a decision and not knowing which way to go. The beauty of KS is you'll be able to pick them up retail after the fulfillment so there's no real lose strategy if you decide you like them later. :)

Thank you for clearing up my questions in the most clear way possible. I should have guessed myself that it is intended, just look at the courts, everything is refined to perfection. Thanks also for the excellent advice, I can always get them later, and I probably will ;)

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Playing Card Plethora / Re: Drawing? ? ?
« on: September 30, 2014, 02:33:10 AM »
Ok, I'm in. This looks awesome. That king made it for me. I like how you use parts of the same pattern for almost all art. 

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