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http://instagram.com/p/k58WsSsorG/

Tomorrow. Our whole team is stoked. This project is huge (and unique) for several reasons, all of which you will find out soon.

// L

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If anything happened (you missed the discount, or the multi-deck discount didn't work) shoot me a message at support@theory11.com. I will be online all day to fix anything like this for you. A couple companies we rely on for services crashed today, messing up a few things that we now have resolved.

Thanks guys!

// L

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Playing Card Plethora / Re: Medallions - Theory 11
« on: November 28, 2013, 10:34:56 PM »
These look great but I can see a mile away that these are set up for a white counter part.

We will see about that. We don't go in planning additional colors, but we do try to stick with designs that look classy and could potentially work well for aditional color runs in the future. This always depends on how well the deck is received. This deck is actually brown and gold. It looks great (from the photos I have seen), and mine will be to me tomorrow to check out in person for the first time. I am stoked.

// L

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Playing Card Plethora / Re: Medallions - Theory 11
« on: November 27, 2013, 01:35:36 PM »
Secret fifth release?

You've seen all four Black Friday releases by now. The year, however, is young!

// L

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Playing Card Plethora / Re: Medallions - Theory 11
« on: November 27, 2013, 01:30:49 PM »
T11's got a good lineup in the deck department this year.

Glad to hear you think so!
We aren't done yet.
// L

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Your an evil man Lyle, lol

Why, thank you!

// L

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I'm totally glad to be wrong. Any chances of a sneak peek at the cards?

Not quite yet, but you guys over here are good to me so I'll tip you off to a little secret that nobody else knows yet. This is something I hear people ask ALL THE TIME for us to do with our cards. We don't do it terribly often, but we do try to create decks that appeal to several different crowds.

***Spoilers*** Full Custom ***Spoilers***

// L

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I still think it'd be a releasing of an older deck or a re-colour of something. I honestly can't imagine it be a completely new designed deck though I'd be happy to be wrong.

Normally I don't like to simply tell people that they are wrong, but in this case I am more than happy to say it loud and clear. You. Are. Wrong.

http://instagram.com/p/hMrjxIsop_/

Enjoy! ;-)

// L

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Just saw this one, thought I would clear it up. We (theory11) are a customer of Firehost. They know what we do best and were inspired by our work to create their own deck. We did not design or produce it for them (though we did give them pointers along the way to ensure that they ended up with a quality product). We are mentioned in the latest edition of the deck on an ad card, which talks about theory11 being one of their customers.

Super cool honor for us to be mentioned, but not a theory11 project. I had people emailing and begging for us to sell these decks to them, which is hard to do when they aren't ours. I've never held one in my life, haha. Awesome, fun looking deck though, so if you see it, grab it up.

// L

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Playing Card Plethora / Re: Red Monarchs confirmed, October 31st release
« on: October 30, 2013, 01:02:52 PM »
I very well know that unlimited decks (assuming they are attractive of course..) generate more revenue. My point was that limited decks may serve a different purpose than short term profit. Besides the business model to drive sales (e.g. Buy 1 brick get 1 free), they are also mainly for hype/exposure/obtaining customer loyalty and for greater FUTURE prospects. Everything done is always for the benefit of the company. They do that by trying to please their customers (thus generating sales) but always remember that their primary goal is for the sole purpose of generating revenue. There's absolutely nothing wrong with this. However, I do not appreciate companies trying to make it seem as if pleasing customers is their paramount priority.

We all try to play out idea like this as if they are black or white. The answer is always somewhere in between. Limited releases are, of course, designed to benefit the company. On the flip side of that coin, they are also designed to benefit those specific consumers who look for limited releases. This is what legitimate business is - two parties exchanging items or services of value for different items or services of value that are desired more. We give away limited edition decks in contests, this is the value we give. What do we gain? Customer loyalty, a reputation, future business. We put this sort of thing out there for our customers (and potential customers), doing all we can to benefit them, in the hopes that we will be benefited by them in the future. Any company that puts its own needs first quickly finds itself to be irrelevant, and soon after out of business. Businesses that put their customers needs and desires first find that they also gain the benefit that they need to stay in business, and this comes from the customers they benefit.

Say, Lyle, I have a few burning questions - exactly WHICH decks from T11 are strictly limited to one short print run and which are planned to be reprinted as long as demand still exists?  Some of your decks go out of stock and never return, while others go and come back every now and then.  And then there's the decks that you aren't selling on the site, but that are appearing elsewhere, like those Erlanger-made Black Stingers and Propaganda decks - what's the story about them?

Lots of decks to answer this about, but I will try to generalize. No decks are ever truly "unlimited". There will always be an end somewhere along the line. If the deck is labeled as "Limited", it will be gone when the stock is out, plain and simple. We have seen other companies do much the opposite, reprinting decks that would 'never again be avaialble', and we don't think this is right. If a limited deck ever comes back into stock, it will be a new version (new color or a design refresh).

If a deck is a part of what I (personally) refer to as our signature line, decks that have defined our company and clearly fit our evolving style, these are going to be 'unlimited'. In my mind, these decks are, in order, Guardians, Centurions, Propaganda, Sentinels, Monarchs, Rebels, and Artisans. These decks are, or have been, the lifeblood of theory11. These are all unlimited. Sometimes, when demand slows, we can't justify the massive print runs we typically use. When this happens, the deck goes out of print. This has happened with Guardians, Centurions, Propaganda, and Rebels. This is not a permanent deal. The Guardians came back after a long time gone, and the Rebel reprint is in the works after a shorter time away. Centurions and Propaganda are always being evaluated for the right time to release a V.2. Not guaranteed, but very much possible, maybe even likely.

We do have some decks that have special circumstances because they are licensed products. Stingers and the entire Titanium line are a part of this group. Not our designs, but we did indeed produce them. We have less control over these decks. That doesn't mean that we won't reprint them, they are just a little more complicated, and as such we have to be very confident that the time is right to reprint. The Titaniums are not out of stock yet. The Stingers have already come back once, and I would be very surprised if they did't come back for a V.3 eventually. There is always demand for these.

Not 100% sure on the Erlanger printed Stingers and Propaganda decks. Let me do some digging. To my knowledge the only authorized versions of these decks are our printings. The last printing of the Propaganda deck was an Erlanger printing, and is labeled as such. I just checked one of mine that came from our last printing. I don't have a Red Stinger deck myself, but I suspect that the last printing of these came from Erlanger as well.

As always, hit me up with any questions.

// Lyle

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Playing Card Plethora / Re: Red Monarchs confirmed, October 31st release
« on: October 30, 2013, 02:50:05 AM »
I am extremely disappointed. The red used is very bland. Though i might be contradicting myself in saying that I love the red on the tuck box. Even though the two colours seem pretty identical, the tuckbox is simply much more elegant as the colours blend in with the gold and makes it look premium/exquisite. I wish T$$ could have changed it up by implementing different shades of Crimson in the different parts of the back design.. or had gone with a darker, more blood-like/premium shade of red.

Surprisingly, the shade is very distinct from the tuck case. Just like the original Monarch deck and the Silver Monarch deck, the color scheme of the Red Monarchs is not the same as the back of the tuck case. I will admit, when I first saw a photo, I had the same reaction. For a moment. The more I saw the red used on the cards, the more I loved it. It is bold, but not obnoxious. The white on red gives you the simple, classy, elegant feeling the Monarch deck is known for. You may not be a fan of the simple card style of the Monarchs, but if you like what you have seen before, you will love this.

// L

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Playing Card Plethora / Re: Red Monarchs confirmed, October 31st release
« on: October 30, 2013, 02:41:24 AM »


I couldn't say anything before (we don't release details until things are pretty much set in stone), but JB just posted this publicly, meaning it is fair game. Unlimited. This will join the original Monarchs and the Silver Monarchs as unlimited decks on our site for the foreseeable future.

Limited decks are fun, however trust me - that is not where the money is AT ALL. When we released 1,100 White Centurions a while back, we paid a premium to print under the US Playing Card Company's 2000 deck minimum. Those cost a lot to print per deck because of the quantity. Then, we only sold a portion of these decks, at a NORMAL DECK price. This ensures that the profit per deck is small. Then, in the end, we gave away tons of these decks through contests and special events. We gave away huge numbers of this deck, and sold the rest at a small profit. People then run to eBay, see a deck selling for $300, and say that theory11 makes TONS of money off that kind of release, haha. Limited Edition decks aren't the bread and butter of theory11. They are simply icing on the cake, a fun way to interact with the playing card community. There are ALWAYS people who hate limited releases because they can't get lots (or any), and there are ALWAYS people who hate unlimited releases because the deck's don't inflate in value sitting unopened at home for two years like a limited deck. We can't keep both sides of the party happy with every release, so instead we try to give both sides what they want individually.

Our goal, as it has always been, is to give the magic, cardistry, and playing card communities what they are looking for. We try to be as high quality as possible. We do everything we can go make sure that our products are exceptionally well designed. In the end, we are a business. We do try to make money on our sales (else we wouldn't be around for a long time). We try to bring you products you want, and we bring them to you at as fair of a price as possible. Yes, we are in it for the money. I have student loans to pay off and a family to take care of. I probably wouldn't be working for theory11 if I didn't need to earn money. That said, we are also in it for something far greater than the money. Pick up a deck of the Red Monarchs when they release, and when it arrives pick it up, hold it in your hands, and look at the detail that was put into it. That will give you an idea of what we are really in the game for. Onward and upward.

We have LOTS more coming. This is NOT the end of the decks for the year. I just saw one of them off the press for the first time today. I am also helping with the final details of the biggest playing card project we have ever been involved with (to be released later this year). Call it a "money grab" if you want. We do indeed hope to do a lot of business this  holiday season (look up the origin of the name Black Friday). Instead, I call it a passion, an obsession, a drive. We don't care about being the best, we care about being better each and every day than we were the day before.

The other Monarch release is really cool, but the real highlight of the day will still be the Red Monarchs. The other release has a specific focus, and I don't know that you here will be that focus. Maybe you will be. It is regardless an awesome product, but I wouldn't worry too much about it until you see it on Thursday. This sounds weird, but you will understand once it is released. I'll pop back and answer any questions about it after the release if you have any.

Anyway, sorry for the long post. My personal stash of Red Monarchs showed up today, so I am off to go enjoy these more before turning in for the night. For the first time since the original Monarch deck was released, it has been seriously challenged for the position of my all time favorite deck. The warmer red color is more striking than I ever expected it to be. Unquestionably my favorite red deck of all time. I am off to consider this terrible situation I have found myself in, haha.

As always, hit me up if you have any questions. Have a great week!

// Lyle

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Playing Card Plethora / Re: Red Monarchs? T11 Hype train
« on: October 23, 2013, 01:09:48 PM »
Toned down, in large part, because we don't have to prove anything dealing with the Monarch deck anymore. It was a BIG leap for us, and most of our team still consider it to be the best deck we have ever created. It is BY FAR our best selling deck, has received attention from BIG names in design, and has been featured in Hollywood movie(s). Of all of our decks, none have a larger or more obsessive fan base (myself included) than the Monarch deck. Since the first release, big hype has not been something that was needed, these decks are simply in demand.

Everyone remembers the hype of the original release very vividly, in large part because there was a HUGE issue on top of the hype (the now dubbed "Gold Monarchs"). When people talk about hype and theory11, it is the Monarch deck release they talk about. We certainly DID hype it before the release, but we knew we were onto something before the release. Look at our decks before the Monarch deck, and look at the decks since. The Monarch deck was a revolution of sorts for us. The hype itself hasn't ever really been a problem for people, but everyone still has a negative association with the Monarch hype because of the whole mess with the initial Monarch printing.

All that said, the Red Monarchs are incoming. They look amazing. If you are a Monarch fan, you won't be disappointed. This is also only the beginning of our fall playing card releases. I am obsessed with Monarchs, but this release is only my second favorite release slated for the rest of this year. Something HUGE and insanely cool is in the works right now, unlike anything we have ever done before. I can't say more just yet, but if you have felt that theory11 has had a quiet playing card year, you won't feel that way by the time the year is over.

// Lyle

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Playing Card Plethora / Re: Red Monarchs? T11 Hype train
« on: October 22, 2013, 09:31:44 PM »


 ;)

//L

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Playing Card Plethora / Re: White Artisans - theory11
« on: May 08, 2013, 03:16:27 PM »
Well, he did say no changes but the color - but since the border's also white...  It will have a white border that blends into the back design!  :))

Lyle, thanks for stopping by and please feel free to be more than just a lurker.  We love hearing from company reps such as yourself, especially when they're helping to set the record straight and give us news about their new products.  Come back ANY TIME you like, comment on anything you like!

Technically, not borderless. You will see the card back design very soon (tonight or tomorrow). We didn't just swap black and white on these cards. What we did makes for a surprisingly bold look. Same design, plus the colors you would expect, but not just a swap of color. There is a white border, and it is very obviously a border.

I will still be around here. I am now with theory11 full time, so you may see me more often. There is always lots going on, and I am happy to shed some light for you.

// L

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Playing Card Plethora / Re: White Artisans - theory11
« on: May 07, 2013, 05:45:37 PM »
Hey guys!

Its me again. I lurk around here sometimes. Just thought I would throw a little something out there for you. We do advertise, and when we have a big product getting ready to roll out, we stress it more than normal. It is a part of selling a product. The Monarch deck has had the largest hype to date, simply put, because it had the potential to be the greatest deck release we ever had. It has since become, by far, our best selling deck. It has also ended up in more than one movie, in the hands of professional magicians around the world. and into places in the design world we never expected. The Artisans have, in our opinion, the highest potential of any theory11 deck since the Monarchs. We were recently blown away when David Copperfield called these cards "the greatest playing cards ever produced" in his interview with Departures Magazine. We are honored and thrilled by this.

The White Artisan deck should have been expected, as was pointed out. We didn't label the original deck "Black Edition" for no reason. The plan from the beginning was to have more than one color of this deck. It was not just an add-on, but rather a completion of the original idea. The deck is the same, except color. Don't go looking for the next big thing in playing card evolution. We all seem to get caught up in this idea that the next deck of playing cards is going to magically create world peace or solve world hunger. They are just playing cards. That said, the Artisan White Edition is another member of the Artisan family, and these cards represent where theory11 is currently at in our progress of improvement. We strive to be better and better every time we produce a new deck, and when you get your hands on the Artisan White Edition deck, you will both see and feel what these cards mean to us.

Factoids, just for confirmation's sake:

Artisan: White Edition decks are unlimited.
They will cost the same as the previous Artisan: Black Edition.
They will be available Friday, 11 AM EST at http://www.theory11.com/playingcards/white-artisans

There will be limited edition decks again in the future. Our customers want them. That said, this is not that moment. We are not the least bit afraid of a limited release, and we are more than ready for the next one. It is simply not yet the time for it.

Keep it real guys. Hit me up with any questions.

// L

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Playing Card Plethora / Re: NEW DECK- Silver Monarchs Deck from Theory11
« on: September 05, 2012, 04:12:28 AM »
Hey guys,

Lyle here from theory11. I am the guy you will get 99% of the time when you send off an e-mail to theory11 support. I just thought I would hop in here and give you theory11's two cents on the topic.

Don hit this one right on the money. Yes, there are four different decks of Monarchs. No, they are not all that different from one another. Here is the reasoning for it all.


Gold Monarchs (Gold on Navy) - These were meant to be the original, but the gold ink turned out to be really dark looking on a navy background. This was an oversight on our end, and 144 decks ended up in the hands of collectors because we were rushing to get things shipped (delays with delivery) after our pre-release. These decks were shipped out to customers before we made the call to shred them, as the decks we got in our hands from that 144 were the ones that failed to impress us after final printing. We shredded the rest.  These were never intended to be rare, and we really don't consider them an official part of the Monarch line, though they certainly are our cards.

Monarchs (White on Navy) - The standard Monarch deck. Like them or hate them, you can't ignore them. We hyped these things to death because we knew they were something special. They are the best selling deck we have ever released. They are also my personal favorite deck. They represent a striking change in the direction theory11 was heading with playing card design.

White Monarchs (Gold on White) - Intentionally limited. This is our way of catering to card collectors. If you don't think there is demand for exclusive and limited decks, you were not around when we released these. Twice our site was crashed from incredible numbers of button mashers refreshing on our site. This deck was created specifically as a collector's item.

Silver Monarchs (Black on White, Silver Foil on Tuck Case) - We had a TON of mad people after each White Monarch release. They weren't mad about the crashes, they were mad about the fact that they liked the White version of the deck but couldn't get their hands on it to USE IT DAILY. These were not collectors, but people who wanted the White Monarch to be their standard deck. The Silver Monarchs were created to give these people what they wanted, an unlimited white variation on the Monarch deck.


We try to cater to as many people as we possibly can. Yes, we are a business. Yes, we want to make money (shocking, I know!). That said, we do it by trying to give our customers what they want. If you don't like the Silver Monarchs, you don't need to buy them, and absolutely no harm done. If you do like them, suddenly you have a new playing card option. If you just like to collect every deck that comes along, that too is your call and you now have something else to get your hands on. We get accused a lot of trying to "suck people dry." We aren't forcing anyone to buy anything, but instead attempting to give our customers what they want. We simply hope to make a buck along the way, as that is what a business does.

Some people don't like the color variation trend. To each his own. Again, nobody is forced to buy anything. Instead, we offered (primarily) two colors of the Monarch deck because not everyone liked the Navy. The same is likely to happen with other decks of ours. The Rebels were recently released too, and we already have complaints that it is a black and white deck. Black and white fits the theme, but obviously does not fit everyone's style. The Rebels may have color variations to cater to more people. It all depends on what our customers tell us. We take feedback very seriously. You guys keep us in business, so you are the most important people to us.

Sorry for the long reply. I hope it clears things up for you all. There is a reason behind all this madness. There is more to come. The next deck release is something VERY different from what we have done until this point. Many of you are not going to like it or use it, but it caters to another group of people that has been mostly ignored in recent playing card production.

Hit me up via PM or here is you have any questions. I am happy to answer anything I can!

Keep it real guys.

// Lyle
theory11 Interactive

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