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The Pasteboard Bazaar - Sales, Trades & In Search Of (STISO) / Re: [EBAY] Deck lot w/ minor dents - Hotcakes, Spectrum, Warrior Horse, Thorn
« on: April 19, 2015, 08:38:47 AM »
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This is going to be a rather unusual project from this point out. There will be no new backers unless someone backs out, so the only way to breathe more money into the project would be by enticing the present backers to spend more money... I can't say I've seen a project like this before.
I haven't seen one like this before either. It's an interesting experiment. Looking forward to how it plays out.
It has to be a fun problem to be faced with. I have never seen another Playing Card Kickstarter sell out entirely before. What bigger compliment could there be?
+1 for Don's ability to make a constructive remark with out verbally vomiting useless gripping or whinning. Why on earth do you think that I still visit the Discourse?
QuoteIt's a shame to take them out of their tuck case since you have to break the seal, but frankly I don't think you really have any choice unless you want to end up with one solid piece of gold welded together.
I know I already said elsewhere, but you basically have to take them and (VERY!) carefully fan them out, and 'un-gunk' or un-stick them from each other, taking great care not to bend or otherwise "break the back" of the individual cards like you do when you shuffle them. Placing them back in their case is of course a minimum of care for these items, but I'd like to be able to display them inside the case but without the tucks on them
Saw this quote from Mike over at UC, can anyone else confirm this is how you should be treating gilded decks? Is he saying if you don't handle them then all the cards will eventually be stuck together?
No, the deck will not stick together more the longer you wait on breaking it. Once the sizing (which is really just linseed oil) has set with the gold leaf the gilding process is essentially finished. Since traditional gilding is more an art form than a machined process, the drying time for the sizing can be anywhere from 2 weeks to 3 months depending on the climate and conditions the deck is kept in (moist climates have longer drying times). But once the sizing has set, a hand gilded deck will break the same way in 3 months as it will in 10 years or more.
All gilded decks "stick" when you break them as the gilding has created a solid metal surface on the deck's edge. But after you thumb the cards apart, the deck is completely playable and has zero stickiness. The great thing about using this traditional method of gilding and solid gold leaf is that it allows the cards to remain flexible. I know one or two of you have already broken your decks and played with them and have mentioned that they work great. No one ever gilded a deck to make it more playable – its definitely an artistic, decorative process – but if done right you should be able to enjoy it in any casual game of cards you play. Of course, with constant, repeated use eventually the deck's gilding will begin to wear, but really all decks do if used regularly. And even when they wear, some of the very old gilded decks we have look super cool with that distressed gold edge.
Here is a longer explanation that Peter recently sent to a backer:
The gold (or silver) leaf is applied when the sizing is at a drying point – when it has just an ever so slight tack; almost dry but not quite. Once the gold (or silver) leaf is applied it deprives the sizing of oxygen and dramatically slows down the final drying/curing rate, thus making it important to wait a minimum of two to three weeks before handling or breaking the deck. Waiting longer is better as it ensures the sizing has completely cured. There are old historical English records of gilding drying times taking up to three months (of course there are many factors involved in drying time). It's not an exact science, really the entire process is about having a feel for it – hand gilding is an art form, not a production process.
One of the other things floating around out there is the "flaking off" of the gilding - this isn't going to happen with a traditionally gilded deck. To the best of our knowledge, all the other gilded decks that have been available in recent years have either been some sort of imitation gold or most likely foil stamped with gold foil or silver (not real gold or silver). I believe we are the first people to traditionally hand gild playing card decks in a long, long time. Artificial gold was patented and used on card decks some time in the 1920's and has been widely used in machines as well as hand gilding ever since. Its cheap and easy and makes sense if you are doing large production numbers.
We use gold leaf that has the highest amount of gold in it. The layer of gold leaf on our decks is incredibly thin, so of course it will wear the more you play with the deck - but this has always been the case. Gilded decks are somewhat of a novelty, definitely a collectors item and all collectors are different with how they interact with their collection. Some like to be able to use their collectables (by the way Linnea plays with one of the gilded decks here at the studio and after she broke it in, she says it plays great) and some just display them on a shelf, never to be used. Whatever your plans, gilding a deck is not done to make it more playable, it is again, essentially an artistic and highly decorative process, but if done right, they can be enjoyable to play with in casual card games and will actually look really cool as they wear.
QuoteIt's a shame to take them out of their tuck case since you have to break the seal, but frankly I don't think you really have any choice unless you want to end up with one solid piece of gold welded together.
I know I already said elsewhere, but you basically have to take them and (VERY!) carefully fan them out, and 'un-gunk' or un-stick them from each other, taking great care not to bend or otherwise "break the back" of the individual cards like you do when you shuffle them. Placing them back in their case is of course a minimum of care for these items, but I'd like to be able to display them inside the case but without the tucks on them
Saw this quote from Mike over at UC, can anyone else confirm this is how you should be treating gilded decks? Is he saying if you don't handle them then all the cards will eventually be stuck together?
i love this deck for sure, but they are promoting it like its the "First Ever Foil Stamped Deck" what does that mean about the few hot foil stamped decks I have on my shelf right now that are not these decks? I'm sorry I'm such a debbie downer cuz this deck is awesome.
Are these printed by EPCC? I am very curious about the handling. But at this price point I can only assume no one will even open the deck lol. Very pretty though.
If the foil isn't under the finish, this is a deck not meant for any actual use - the foil will start rubbing off pretty quickly. If they used leftover decks from the USPC run, perhaps they "re-laminated" them with something like smoothing spray.