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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Re: Norwood 85
« on: March 04, 2014, 08:29:09 AM »
Yes,, I was aware of the existence of that Norwood deck. The exact number of copies that exist is a little uncertain because there is at lest one copy that has changed hands a couple of times so that it possibly gets counted more than once but I am of the opinion that ten or less known copies is about right, As I write this, I can only account for eight copies: one each with the Beinecke Rare Book Library at Yale University, the Library at Columbia University, The New York Historical Society, the United States Playing Card company and three in the hands of individual collectors.

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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Re: Bicycle Brand Vintage Box styles
« on: February 27, 2014, 04:46:12 PM »
HI Joseph,

You are the Man!!   Great contributions to this Forum.  Thanks very much.

Rod Starling.

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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Re: Newley Designed Cards
« on: February 21, 2014, 01:19:03 PM »
Hello bHong, HeartQ and JWats01. It's nice to see some interest in this deck. The scans distort the actual background of the pictures which is what I call a "burnt orange". Definitely not yellow. In the March, 2013 issue of Clear the Decks, I did an in-depth comparison of the court cards in this deck with those of the standard design. That article is still available for viewing on the 52Plus Joker website.

I  had purchased quite a few of these deck directly from the Swiss maker, Muller. When I offered them for sale on eBay for $5.00, I was contacted by a dealer in the Ruby Lane group that goes by the very odd name of "Two For His Heels" He purchased nearly every deck that I had but I kept a few. Some I donated to a drive for the troops fighting in Iraq. I still have four decks left. If you search Ruby Lane and then search that site for Tavaglione, you will find the deck for $20.00 or two for $35.00. I never charged more than $5.00 per deck plus postage and that is where I stand today. Muller, by the way, was taken over by another company and I do not believe that the deck has been in production for a long time. eMail me at cardstar@ptd.net if you wish to buy the deck. To be fair, I will allocate one deck for each of you.
Rod Starling (Watson7)     

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Introduce Yourself / Re: Introducing Watson7
« on: February 20, 2014, 02:42:10 PM »
That's good to hear. Most of my articles can be read on the 52 Plus Joker website. You might enjoy the one I did titled "Sherlock Holmes--Card Player" If you go to the website, click on Newsletter then scroll down to "search the index' and enter my name, Rod Starling, you will see the article listed. All you do then is open it. There are some vey nice decks pictured.     

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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Newley Designed Cards
« on: February 20, 2014, 02:25:54 PM »
I know that it is difficult to design a deck with new court cards. Historically, changes to the standard court card designs have been rejected by the public. That is why the standard designs have remained essentially unchanged for over 600 years. To be a commercial success, a newly designed deck must appeal to the general public, not just to collectors. But even with collectors there is a divide in general interests. The older collectors, of which there are many, generally prefer vintage, antique decks while the younger collectors, of which there are few, generally will accept newly designed decks.

Many years ago, I touted the virtues of a deck in which the Italian artist, Giorgio Tavaglione, designed new court cards. The deck was produced in 1985 and I obtained some copies which I offered for sale to members of the 52 Plus Joker club. Then as now, the membership of the club was mostly comprised of older collectors and the deck did not draw much interest. I sold just five decks. I was surprised by the lack of interest in the deck because although the court cards were newly designed, the artist had retained and even enhanced all of the elements from the standard designs. Now, after nearly 30 years since its production, the deck is beginning to assume vintage aspects. I am attaching scans of the court cards and would like to know what you think of them.

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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Re: Dating card decks by AOS codes
« on: February 20, 2014, 12:03:26 PM »
I called USPCC Customer Service Department some time ago and inquired about the production code on the current Bicycle decks. I was informed that the first two digits refer to the week and the second two digits refer to the year when the deck was made. That was all I was able to learn.The lady had no other information.  As I type this, I am looking at two Aces of Spades from two Bicycle decks. One has the following code: 1613-S6560. According to the information given to me, the deck was made in the sixteenth week of 2013. Interestingly, under the old code, the letter S would have been assigned to 2013. The other Ace has the code 2812-R6730. Here it would appear that the deck was made in the 28th week of 2012 and again, under the old code the letter R would have been assigned to 2012. It appears that USPCC is retaining the old letter code with respect to the year of manufacture but has augmented it digitally to include the week of the year as well. Customer service could not explain what the numbers mean after the letter but over 30 years ago, I spoke with a USPCC employee who told me that they relate to manufacturing elements such as the paper roll used to print the deck on and the particular press utilized in the printing. That sounds reasonable to me and it's all I've got. Hope it helps.

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Introduce Yourself / Re: Introducing Watson7
« on: February 20, 2014, 08:48:06 AM »
You certainly are diversified. Your real name has an interesting literary "namesake". You may already know this: Sir Arthur Conan Doyle was friends with a certain Doctor James Watson. Both were members of the same  literary society. Sir Arthur's Sherlock Holmes stories were narrated by Doctor John Watson but is believed that "John" was just an attempt to hide the real source of the stories. In fact, in the story "The Adventure of the Man With the Twisted Lip", Doctor Watson',s  wife actually refers to him as "James". Sir Arthur slipped up there and 20 years later he did so again in a letter to his publisher in which he suggested a new set of stories based on the reminiscences of James Watson, M.D. If you search Yahoo for my article, The Case For the Real Doctor Watson, you may enjoy it.   

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Design & Development / Re: Kings Wild Development Thread
« on: February 19, 2014, 05:53:04 PM »
Your line work is, as usual, great and I am sure that you will produce a final, very good product but right now I would like to ask you what the status is of your "Baker Street" deck. I see many of your Federal decks on eBay but never "Baker Street" 

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Time for an early American deck. I was going to begin with......This is one of my favorites.... but if I go down that road, every deck I post will start that way. I love them all. So, here we have a complete Russell & Morgan Printing Company poker sized, c.1888, gold edged Euchre deck consisting of 32 cards, a Joker, four counter cards and the rules for playing the game. It is listed in the Hochman Encyclopedia as US12. The four counter cards have a back design that is different from the rest of the deck with the words "Progressive Euchre" printed thereon. The Ace of Spades is elaborately engraved and the Joker shows representations for the then seven cabinet Secretaries of Interior, War, Navy, State, Treasury, Attorney General and Postmaster General. Click on the picture to enlarge.

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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Re: French hand colored cards c.1850
« on: February 19, 2014, 11:17:48 AM »
The Carey catalog is comprised of four volumes, two of which contain black and white pictures of cards sorted by country. The other two volumes contain text relating to the cards. That arrangement makes reading somewhat cumbersome but the catalog is certainly a good place to find and identify many decks. The Fournier catalog is a one volume work. It contains many entries and pictures of cards which are also sorted by country and are colored. Not as knowledgeable as Carey but much easier to read. 

The backs of the French costume cards appear to come in just three versions: plain white, plain blue or plain pink. No design whatsoever. I seem to recall from somewhere that at one time, plain backs were considered best to deter the practice of marking a deck. However and inevitably, normal usage results in unintended marks of some sort which could tip off the identity of the card.  I have never found any of these decks in the original box.   

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Introduce Yourself / Re: Introducing Watson7
« on: February 19, 2014, 10:33:58 AM »
Thanks< James,
What is you area of interest?
Rod. 

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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / French hand colored cards c.1850
« on: February 18, 2014, 03:51:06 PM »
I have been asked to post more cards from the mid-nineteenth century French hand colored costume decks. I am pleased to oblige and grateful for the request because I am in a bit of a quandary as to whether I should post scans in any particular order. I don't suppose that it makes any real difference but I will attempt to provide scans of cards from "across the board' so to speak. That away, I hope to satisfy as many areas of interest as I can. I have already posted an early American deck, Norwood 85, and now a second French Costume deck. I hope to follow with some thing from the European arena and eventually some good repo decks but based what I have so far seen here in the Forum, I think that early American decks will be taking priority. I am informed that only a very small percentage of the Forum membership are also members of the 52 Plus Joker club. I am hopeful that my postings along with posting by others will persuade many to join the 52 Plus Joker club. It holds yearly conventions, yearly auctions, publishes an informative quarterly news letter and all for a very nominal membership fee.
The suit symbols in this particular deck are rendered in two types of gold. Hearts and Diamonds are done with pink gold, Spades and Clubs with yellow gold. The deck is known by two names, Cartes Parisienne and Jeu De Historique and was made by O. Gibert, Paris. The deck is referenced in the Carey catalog under France #336 and also in the Fournier catalog under France, #212.         
 

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Introduce Yourself / Re: Introducing Watson7
« on: February 18, 2014, 11:51:28 AM »
Hi Don,
I thank you and all of the other kind members for the warm welcome extended to me. I look forward to sharing whatever may be of interest to all concerned. It is exciting to have this vast new area to explore but on the other hand, I feel like a mosquito in a nudist camp----- I don't know where to get started. My great editor, HeartQ, has mentioned my interest in good repro decks. She has seen several of them that I showed in the 52 Plus Joker News Letter, "Clear the Decks" Usually, it is historical European decks that are reproduced but collectors should not fear the area. Many of the repros are of decks of which there are very few originals in existence and in one case, where there is only one original in existence. I have often pointed out that good repro decks are analogous to the field of fine art where prints of one of a kind masterworks are highly prized and costly. I will post some good repro decks in due course and I am confident that when their features, as I will detail them, are appreciated they will appeal to even the casual collector. They may even serve as inspiration to those members who are or aspire to be designers of playing cards because in order to succeed with anything new there must be an element of something old, something that the mind recognizes and feels comfortable with..

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Introduce Yourself / Re: Introducing Watson7
« on: February 17, 2014, 03:26:44 PM »
Thanks, Lee. I do have a couple of questions.
First, do we know how may subscribers to this Forum are members of 52 Plus joker?
Second, since I have posted many decks on the World of Playing Cards website, do you think that my postings here on the Forum will be redundant?

P,S. I did mention doing card tricks and I know that a selected card being found as the eleventh one in a middle pile is not sleight of hand but I can actually do a little better than that. (Do you remember that old one?) 

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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / French engraved, hand colored cards, c.1850
« on: February 17, 2014, 02:08:05 PM »
This is one of a series of so called "Costume Cards" produced in France in the mid-nineteenth century. It features named historical figures and being engraved and hand colored, they were produced in limited quantities and therefore quite rare. I have no doubt that the decks were expensive and that their value was appreciated at the time of their creation. Most specimens found are gold edged and usually in excellent condition, an indication that they were carefully preserved.  If any interest is shown for this type of deck, I will post scan of others.

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Introduce Yourself / Introducing Watson7
« on: February 17, 2014, 01:47:47 PM »
Hello All,
Don Boyer has asked me to introduce my self  so blame him if what follows is completely unbearable.
My real name is Rod Starling and I am one of the founding members of the 52 Plus Joker card collectors Club. Over the years, I  have written many articles for the club's quarterly News Letter, Clear the Decks. At the present time there are over 30 of those articles available to the club's members for viewing on the club's website, www.52plusjoker.org. There are also many articles by other club members that are of interest to collectors and those of you who have not joined the club should give membership serious consideration.I also authored a book titled The Art and Pleasures of Playing Cards.

My interest in playing cards goes back to my childhood at a time when I found myself fascinated by the court cards. That interest grew when, as a teenager, I started learning card tricks and contact with cards was constant. The very first deck that expanded my interest was the Swiss JJ1Tarot. It was the first time that I ever saw the suits of Cups, Swords, Coins and Batons. In due course, I came to appreciate many other foreign decks and, inevitably, early American decks as well. My collection still encompasses both foreign and American decks and I would suggest to all collectors that great as our early American cards are, the beauty of some of the foreign decks cannot be denied. I am posting a scan of just one mid-nineteenth century French deck which is engraved and hand colored. In the future I will post scans both foreign and American.
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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Norwood 85
« on: February 16, 2014, 07:11:52 PM »
Tom Dawson invited me to join the party so this is my first post. After consultation with Tom, he thought that my choice of topic would be of interest not withstanding the fact that I have written about it at least twice in the pages of the 52 Plus Joker News Letter, Clear the Decks, the last time being about six years ago. However, since this forum reaches those who may not be members of 52 Plus Joker, this post may, hopefully, be well received. With those non members chiefly in mind, I will begin.
The Norwood 85 deck was produced by the United States Playing Card Company c.1919 and is described in the Hochman Encyclopedia as being one of the most beautiful decks produced by that company. For reasons that years of research have failed to discover, the deck was never released for general sale and as far as I have been able to ascertain there are less than a dozen copies known to exist. One copy, of course is held by the United States Playing Card Company. There is also one copy each in the Beinecke Rare Book Library at Yale University, The New York Historical Society and the library of Columbia University in New York City. The few remaining copies are in the hands of collectors. There are two very puzzling things about the rarity of the deck. First is the fact that it is known to exist with two different back designs. Second, among the known copies of the deck, some are gold edged and some are not. That would seem to be odd state of affairs for a deck that was never released for general sale. In fact, the deck has never been found in its own identifiable box. The copies of the deck that I have been able to locate have been found either without a box at all or found in a nameless generic box. There is one exception. One deck exists in a box designed for the Bijou No.1 deck and that adds further interest to the matter because both the Norwood 85 deck and the Bijou No.1 deck have the same unusual pip card format. The two back designs were taken from famous works of art. All but one of the copies that I have been able to document have a back design from a painting named "The Storm" shown here. The remaining copy has a back design taken from a painting variously known as "Cupid and Psyche" or "Armor and Psyche". That particular copy is the one in the Columbia University library.

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