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Playing Card Plethora / Re: Concentric Deck [Update] - Live on Kickstarter
« on: September 28, 2014, 03:59:56 PM »
Update #2 just posted to the Concentric Kickstarter!

This update is for backers only and includes the first of many Digital Rewards Packs. Back Concentric now for access to icons, wallpapers and much more coming soon!

Get some instant gratification for backing today!

Big thanks to everyone for their support so far.

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Playing Card Plethora / Concentric Deck [Update] - Live on Kickstarter
« on: September 20, 2014, 01:11:16 PM »


Custom designed playing cards — by Stephen R. Kowalski

Printed by Legends Playing Card Co. — Diamond Finish

Concentric is now live on Kickstarter: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/faume/concentric-deck-printed-by-legends-playing-card-co
Concentric was developed with the help of The Discourse: http://www.playingcardforum.com/index.php?topic=6857.0

Concentric is a fully custom designed deck of playing cards with a geometric theme. Each of the suit symbols (pips) are broken down into a group of 4-6 primary shapes - circles, diamonds, and half-diamonds (triangles).



The pips on each card are unique to that card. Using a number of layered, concentric shapes equal to the value of the card to make up each pip. For example, the clubs pip is made up of three circles and a triangle. The 6 of clubs uses 6 concentric circles in each of the three circle spots. It’s not exactly practical to count the number of circles on each card, but the effect is there to provide a quick visual shorthand to reinforce the value of the card.



The pip layout follows a similar concentric idea. The layout is comprised of three rings around the center with each pip perpendicular to the ring it is on. The center ring is really just the lone pip in the center that you see on the 5, 7, and 9. The second ring is most clearly shown in the 6. The outer ring is isolated in the 4. This layout allowed me to use larger pips to better show the detail of the concentric shapes than the traditional layout of rows of pips facing either up or down would allow.



I primarily use the traditional red and black for the suits. However, each suit also has its own individual color. In traditional playing cards, the courts for each suit all use the same color scheme. I wanted to give each suit a more individual identity for easier identification across the table, stronger visual unity within each suit, and to put my own twist on the traditional designs.






I have custom designed the font for the cards primarily based on Futura. My aim was to keep round portions as circular arcs and corners as sharp points to mimic the circles and diamonds that make up the pips. The other objective was to maintain consistent width for each number and letter for a consistent look when the cards are fanned in your hand.



The back design uses the elementary shapes that make up each pip to create a concentric, radial pattern.



The custom designed tuck box uses the beautiful long tongued Legends tuck box design. The long tongue makes for an easily opened pack that stays securely closed. The tuck will feature embossing on 4 faces plus the tongue.


Prototype Tuck

I have structured the Pledge tiers in such a way that the higher the level you back, the lower the price you pay per deck. It costs less to ship in bulk, so I'm passing those savings on to you. These cards are designed to be used, so back for enough to play and save!



Additionally, there are NO additional charges for shipping anywhere in the world! Because decks will be shipped directly from the Legends fulfillment center in Hong Kong, shipping costs are lower overall and roughly equal country to country.

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Design & Development / Re: Concentric Deck
« on: August 09, 2014, 07:50:53 PM »
The second revamped back is my favorite although I do like the crisp white edges of the last one.  Not much into the design and process therein but I do know what looks good to me as an avid collector so take my opinion for what it's worth.  That of an average collector, if you please.  ;)

Thanks for your input! I appreciate feedback from average collectors most of all - I'll need the average collectors of the world to help get this printed! :-)

I could easily add the white edges to the second design (actually, I just decided to do it. See attached), but part of what I like about it is how an individual card gets lost in the group in the original - kinda like a zebra. I do understand the preference for the white edges though. It can be a lot easier to deal when you can clearly see the number of cards in a pile. Plus wear and tear will definitely show more quickly on cards with bleed edges.

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Design & Development / Re: Concentric Deck
« on: August 09, 2014, 07:09:51 PM »
I have been working on some new back designs based on feedback from here and other places. So far I have been working with alternate versions of the existing design.

I have abandoned the one-way ideas. I think you hit the nail on the head Don - too subtle to be useful. It may possibly just be annoying to those who do notice it.

In general I'm trying to make the back design somewhat less busy. The attached images are representative of four of the most solid of the twenty or so variations I've designed over the last couple days. I've reduced the three concentric shapes to a single, solid shape. Through variations in color, size, line thickness, and cropping I've created these variations. I think they all (to different degrees) accomplish the goal of being less busy. Additionally, they more closely follow the way the direction of the overall design philosophy of the deck has evolved.

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Design & Development / Re: Wiretap Relaunch - Coming AUGUST 26 to KS
« on: August 09, 2014, 06:54:56 PM »
I like the illustrations of the people and I'm sure they'll look great once reworked to more accurately match those they are intended to represent.

I'm not sure how other printers may handle this, but I remember seeing something in the documentation that USPCC sent me regarding printing images (including drawings) of specific people.
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We can print images (photographs or drawn) of people (famous/historical or not); however a signed letter of release from those whose picture will be used in the deck, or from their estate, must be submitted to USPC proving you have permission to use their image in your custom deck of playing cards. For more info, please contact your Custom Sales Representative.
For this type of deck, this is definitely something you should get clarification on with your printer before going much further. You may have already done so, but it came to mind so I thought I'd mention it!

I'm a little confused by the frames on the cards. Are they intended to be battleship themed based on the loose lips sink ships thing? With a name like Wiretap I sort of expected something with more wires!

I really like the Aces and how you've incorporated camera lenses in them. I like your pips on the number cards - they recall the Ace pip, but are a clear, simplified version of it.

The art on the Jokers is very cool, though I can't help but wish it had a bit more space for the art and a bit less frame.

I think the unbranded box art looks much nicer and I'll second the notion that the Bicycle branding doesn't mean much to me. I almost always prefer the non-branded art.

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Design & Development / Re: Concentric Deck
« on: August 03, 2014, 09:35:23 PM »
Once again I have updated the images in my first two posts. I have chosen a new font for my indices, made some subtle changes to the courts, and revised my tuck box design.

One item I have not brought up here before is the one way back. You can see two variants of the back here: the 1st image attached to this post is a one way back, the second is two way. I believe the one way is subtle enough that it won't interfere with normal game play, but it could be useful for certain tricks.

If you haven't spotted the one way yet, if you draw a line from the center up, you'll see the line always intersects the center of a shape. If draw down, you'll see that in two instances it goes between shapes. I'm curious how you guys feel about this type of one way back. Should I eliminate one of the one way rings? Should I use a different ring as the one way ring?

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Design & Development / Re: Playing Card Designer Sketch Pad
« on: July 27, 2014, 03:56:06 PM »
I like the idea, but I'm not sure about the execution. Some of the guidelines look very dark and heavy. Just looking at the example on the main kickstarter image, the art gets a bit lost in the grid.

Secondly, it looks like the binding is like that of a notepad. I'm not sure what it's called exactly, but it's not a very permanent binding and in most cases you tear off each sheet as you move on to the next. For this sort of notebook, I'd want a more permanent binding to keep an entire deck bound together in one place. Actually, it would almost be best in a binder sort of thing so you could remove a sheet to refer to it as you worked on another, but then bind it all back together. That would also give you the option of changing the order of sheets to trace certain elements.

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Design & Development / Re: Concentric Deck
« on: July 27, 2014, 03:35:11 PM »
I appreciate all the feedback I've received so far! I have just updated all of the images attached to the earlier posts with the latest versions. If you'd like to refer to the earlier designs for reference, those images are still posted here: http://alphavbeta.net/sample.html

I have increased the size of the index relative to the size of the corner pips and adjusted the width and height of each to be closer to the standard Don described I may still look at using a different font or modifying this one more heavily. I am not crazy about the J or Q.

I have used a simpler design for the corner pips of each card which is similar to the old corner pip for the Aces. Throughout the deck I have reduced the level of fine detail that would have been difficult or impossible to accurately print.

I have modified my Heart, Spade, and Club pip designs to make them more distinct.

I've enlarged the pips on the number cards and played with the line thickness to achieve the maximum possible legibility between the lines. I had a sample of an earlier version of this design printed by MPC and the main pips came out okay despite working from PNGs as they do. I believe the changes I've made should improve the end product even more.

I have increased the size of the shapes in the back design to hopefully make it easier on old eyes. :-)

Let me know what you think! I'm particularly looking for some feedback on the courts as no one has mentioned them yet. Thanks!

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Design & Development / Re: Concentric Deck
« on: July 22, 2014, 11:20:44 PM »
Thanks for the feedback everyone! I really appreciate it.

I understand what you mean about the Joker. I think it's a good suggestion. I have some more revision to do to the deck as a whole, and plan to make a couple other minor changes to the Joker design before I post a revision.
I've tried a couple different scales for the back design. I think I prefer the first one I've posted here, but I'd be interested to hear what those who found the first design too busy think.
Your notes about the index make perfect sense. It's amazing how sometimes you look at something forever and overlook such a significant design element. I will definitely adjust the index to that standard, but I want to nail down the pips before I get around to adjusting the card designs as a whole.
I had been considering using the Ace indices for all the cards. I was worried the existing designs were made of lines too thin and close together to be printed, though I was hopeful. USPCC confirmed that they might cause problems, so I plan to switch to using the Ace pips as you've suggested.
I have adjusted the design of my pips to maintain my design intent while further differentiating each pip as suggested. I've posted some process images below for some feedback before I go through adjusting the full set and mocking up complete cards. Let me know what you think.

Thanks!

EDIT: I had some technical difficulties and my attachments didn't seem to work.

I've added the images here: http://alphavbeta.net/sample.html

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Design & Development / Re: Concentric Deck
« on: July 21, 2014, 01:28:46 AM »
Thanks for the feedback! I understand what you mean about making sure each pip is 50% red or black. I haven't revised the court card pips in a while. I'll try to add some more black and red to them respectively. The number cards are all at least 50% red or black (though the 10's are close).

You're both asking to see more - what more do you want to see? Are all my images not showing? I've posted all courts and aces, backs, tuck box, jokers, and 2-10 from a variety of suits. I could post the complete 2-10 from all suits if you'd like. I'll try to put those together to post for tomorrow (the designs are already complete, just need to create some .pngs).

Afrank8, how would you suggest toning down the backs? Maybe make the lines a bit less heavy? Or maybe make the shapes bigger so there are less layers? I think part of the problem may just be the way that image looks on this site. I've had a sample printed of nearly an identical design, and in hand it doesn't look quite so busy. It looks like most patterned backs.

If for some reason all the images I've posted here aren't showing, you can also see them here: http://alphavbeta.net/sample.html

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Design & Development / Re: Concentric Deck
« on: July 20, 2014, 02:16:25 PM »
Some more images.

!!! Attached images have been updated 03 August 2014 !!!

Earlier images from this topic can still be found at: http://alphavbeta.net/sample.html

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Design & Development / Concentric Deck
« on: July 20, 2014, 02:15:14 PM »
Hello!

I have been lurking around the forum for a bit while I've been designing this deck, and I'm to the point now where I need some feedback from a larger group. To this point I have consulted with a few friends, but now I'm hoping to get some more opinions.

The idea that sparked this deck came from doodling during a boring meeting at work. I drew the basic shapes of the pips, and continued to add layers of concentric shapes. I noticed that the pips could each be broken down further to even more basic shapes, and I could create each pip from just circles and diamonds.

I had the idea to use concentric shapes to represent the value of the card. Single shapes for Aces, two concentric shapes for 2's, six concentric shapes for 6's, etc.

This provides a quick, visual shorthand indicating the value of the card. Now I don't expect someone using the deck to count the concentric shapes each time - that isn't the point. I am not leaving off indices. I am simply using this pip design to reinforce the values.

My court designs retain many of the classic elements of the courts (one-eyed Jacks, suicide King, etc), but use only two colors - The red or black of the suit plus a color unique to each suit. The thick, bold lines and shapes of the courts provide a contrast to the thin, delicate lines that make up the pips.

The number cards use a custom pip layout that has the pips follow three concentric circles radiating from the center. The layout is the same for each suit.

The pip for the Joker is a four point star in the design language I've established throughout the deck.

I appreciate all feedback and constructive criticism!

!!! Attached images have been updated 03 August 2014 !!!

Original images from this topic can still be found at: http://alphavbeta.net/sample.html

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