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Not that I'm accusing you of this, but just a small piece of advice. Don't collect decks because they are "must collect" decks. I hate to see this hobby of ours become another fly by night fad chasing exercise. Collect decks that mean something to you personally. My deck list is probably a lot different than the others because I tend to prefer USPC designed decks - old and new. The KS craze I mostly stay away from - maybe to my own chagrin, but it doesn't really excite me as much as other people. However, if I back a deck, it's simply because I truly like the deck, and not because it's the new hot deck everyone is backing. I like Daniel Madison's stuff, because his design style really speaks to me as a designer. I don't care for the Jackson Robinson stuff as much, although he is one hell of an incredible designer don't get me wrong - it's just a style preference.
Hi Daniel,
There's a very similar topic already on this in the conversation parlour.
http://www.playingcardforum.com/index.php?topic=6855.0
Hopefully this will help. Maybe a Mod can merge these?
Rather than specific decks, I'm going to offer general advice.
There are loads and loads of playing cards out there. You will NEVER collect them all, so please, for the sake of your bank account, DON'T TRY!
Go slow with your initial purchases. Get decks that are currently still available at the original retail price rather than hunting older, rarer, more costly ones. You can look into them later as you gain more experience as a collector.
Please be picky about what you buy! I started off willy-nilly, buying whatever the hell I wanted - and now many of those decks are sitting in my collection, hardly touched. They were interesting for a while, but the charm wore off. I might revisit them now and then as a goof, but it probably would have been a smarter choice to forgo buying them in the first place.
All this poop talk ...maybe that is why the king is wearing a gas maskAmazing..!
In your experience, were fulfillment companies something you considered? I know I could easily partner with a KS project to fulfill projects in Europe for about $5 for 1-4 decks and $10 for larger, this also meaning that no VAT would need to be paid by a backer in Europe on their 'purchase' by EU law, but it doesn't seem like KS are built for allowing this kind of thing to occur, ie different rates for EU customers.
Technically they may still end up paying the VAT but just not know it, if the project creator is sending his decks to an EU fulfilment house and they've paid 20% customs on arrival, that cost has to be accounted for somewhere. The only reasonable assumption to make in my opinion would be that it's included in the project at the outset. So they may not be paying he 20% VAT on import but they would elsewhere, having said that they would likely save themselves the handling fee from the postal service.
Shipping sucks no matter how you slice it. Rob was correct when he said the problem will NEVER be solved until KS changes the method but unfortunately they wont change it.
I have shipped 1 or 2 decks and my advise would be to charge a fair and reasonable price for your shipping. Even if you provide free shipping there will 300 people who gripe that it is too expensive. If you think I'm kidding or being sarcastic, I am sadly not. Do over charge for it and DO NOT under charge as that will lead to you going bankrupt and then no one will get any rewards and that is worse than expensive shipping.
Dan,
This is a huge problem on KS. It will continue to be a problem until KS changes there policy. There is no reason why they can't separate all shipping and make it exact to each order. As long as they are making an extra 5% on the shipping. Then it's not going to change.
If someone is only charging $5 to ship a deck international- then they are loosing money. Most projects are in the $9-$12 range. To ship to the UK, it may not cost that much. To ship to Australia is more. The shipping gets averaged, and some pay more than they should, some less.
I know some designers will use a fulfillment company overseas. That way, they send the decks in bulk to the company- they send it to each backer. I'm not sure how much money that saves.
1 It varies, but typically it's a padded envelope from the regular postman
2. Yes, international shipping cost a lot and some project creators are generous, some are right on the money, and some over charge
3. Absolutely
I like. Stutzman could draw on a rock and I'd buy it! Good stuff!Ha! I have to agree, these look like such cool cards. I know some people are all for the simple back designs, but these ones are my sorta cards.
Why am I not surprised!
These sort of decks look really interesting, certainly not something I've ever come across in the UK. Unsurprising given how few casinos there are. I was wondering though, are these decks ones that have been used in the casinos, or spares when they changed design?
PS, the 'interesting fact' was really good, makes me wonder what other menial things are being done by inmates that you wouldn't expect!
OK, there are two kinds of casino decks - canceled and uncanceled.
The majority of casino decks circulating among the public are canceled - these are decks that have been used on the casino floor at a table and have been played with. Typically, a paper deck will be used for only a handful of hours - anywhere from one or two hours to perhaps a shift, but not longer. They're not used at poker tables much these days, where they've been replaced with plastic cards, but they still get much use at blackjack and baccarat tables. When they're "decommissioned", they're bundled off to the prison system, sorted, packed and canceled. Cancellation used to be a simple drilled hole off-center through the pack, but these days they take a marker and draw a line on all four sides of the deck, put it in the box and saw an entire corner off the pack, box and all.
There's a rare few that don't get canceled. Let's say "Casino A" have blue and green decks with the same design. They decide to replace the green decks with red ones. The day the casino stops using the greens, the entire remaining stock of green decks can be sold off without being canceled - they're no longer in use on the floor and can't be used by card cheats to swap out cards in their deck for cards in play on a gaming table. Since casinos don't change their colors or back designs very often, and will probably try to do so when they're low on the old color in the first place, uncanceled casino decks tend to be far less frequently found.
An example of this would be the "Brown Wynn" deck that Theory11 was selling in their early days of operation. It was felt by some cardists that the brown Wynn Casino deck, Logo style back (as opposed to "Signature style") had exceptional handling qualities and T11 managed to get possession of a fair amount of the uncanceled decks. Some people make the mistake of thinking that, because it was sold by T11, it's a "T11" deck, as in something they created, when in fact they were simply selling it, just like how they (and I think Ellusionist as well) were once selling David Blaine decks.
I took advantage of this so quickly, kind of wondering if I should have now, shall be burdened with far too many metallic rider backs and some medallion decks it seems..!
Red Jaqks are going for $20 plus on ebay. If you wanted the other cards you got. Then it's a good deal. You could always sell the other decks at a slight loss, and still be in good shape.
