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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Re: Ask the Experts at 52 Plus Joker
« on: September 07, 2018, 02:04:33 AM »
Fantastic! I was expecting a less precise answer. Would I have found this in the Hargrave book if I had it yet?

Not sure i don`t have that book....also some  more common names for this deck is "Cartes Etroites", "Cartes a Jouer" or "Cartes Marblees No2"  and they came in either 52 or 36 card packs
Here`s a picture of my 36 card  "Cartes a Jouer" pack from c.1905 ( Dierckx Zoon partnered with Brepols from 1849 till around 1911)


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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Re: Ask the Experts at 52 Plus Joker
« on: September 06, 2018, 06:15:08 AM »
Can anybody help identify this deck? Court cards are unremarkable, but maybe the 3-pip aces (far right) are typical of some maker in particular. They look like a three at first glance. These are crudely printed on very heavy brownish card stock.

Turnhoutse Speelkaarten No.74,  printed by Brepols of Belgium c.1890-1910

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Hi Andy.
  Thanks for showing the other box .
 I can`t understand why these cards are in cigarette branded tuck boxes. Both John Players And Wills had their own back designs with their respective logo`s somewhere on the back, so why would they use unbranded picture backs ? And why would Goodalls put picture backs in Cigarette branded Boxes? very strange.
 Either way both decks are still sealed in their tax wrappers, Gilded and the tuck boxes are in very good condition for their age , so all in all a very nice attic find

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Hi Andy.
  The London Playing Card Company (Stamped on side of wrapper) was actually a subsidiary company of Goodalls Playing Cards, Started in 1885 and lasted until 1910. can`t give a more accurate date without seeing the courts
The Wills box is not original, as the cards would have a wills advertising back and not the `Minstral` picture back shown.
i would like to see the front of the other tuck if possible.

Funnily enough if you had just shown the card backs i would have said they were De La Rue cards from the 1930`s as i have many similar Gilded De La Rue packs from that period. But they can`t be because of the London PCC stamp on the wrapper.
Jase

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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Re: Help Identifying Older Playing Cards
« on: December 29, 2017, 10:07:25 PM »
Deck B looks to be the "Nederlandsche Speelkaarten" deck by Biermans of Turnhout, Belgium

Not sure of Deck A but the spade pip looks very much like the one from Deck B so i would guess Belgian in origin.

Deck C is " Americanische Gaigel" or "Americanische Skat" both used the same back design . these were printed by USPCC From 1881 onwards. Numerous back designs were used over the years your card is the earliest design.

Deck D - Don`t Know

Deck E is "Deland`s Automatic Playing Cards", - Your card have the Arcco Courts and not the original S.S. Adams courts.

Deck F is again from biermans of belgium (My pack is slightly later than your cards as mine have indices)

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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Re: Worshipful cards
« on: January 02, 2017, 06:37:48 PM »
Sorry won`t do valuations....they are worth what someone else is willing to pay for them.

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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Re: Worshipful cards
« on: January 02, 2017, 03:03:13 PM »
The Worshipful Company of Makers of Playing Cards was founded by Royal charter granted by King Charles 1st on 22nd October 1628, At that time Playing card manufacturers in Britain was having a really bad time competing with Imported foreign cards ,so they petitioned the King to ban further importation of foreign cards.
The Company was set up mainly to pay back the King for the Duty lost by the ban.The company was also given additional duties to supervise the Trade of playing cards, make sure each pack was sealed, and that the makers name or mark was on every pack.
Each year the company holds a banquet to appoint a new Master and two wardens for the ensuing 12 months, In 1882 at the annual banquet every liveryman was given a double pack of Playing cards specially designed for the occasion and since then it has become a custom to present double packs or single packs to liverymen of the company.A portrait of the Master for the year appears on the Ace of spades with the names of the two wardens and clerk appearing below, the design on the back shows some important event that has happened during that year.
 The 1938 packs were printed by De La Rue and shows King George VI laying a wreath at the tomb of the unknown soldier and came with either a maroon or turquoise border (double packs had one of each)

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I can confirm that the Swedish American line deck is made by John Waddingtons.
The Courts (Waddingtons standard pattern W.2) date the deck between 1930-1940, After 1940 all the Jacks loose their moustaches and the King of Hearts gains a moustache .
The Ace of Spades and Joker are both specially designed specifically for that shipping line.

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no problem ;)

The Harry Margary uncoloured version is available from www.harrymargary.com for £10.25 + p+p

if your interested

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You can buy one of these decks for £30 +p&p at

gamesetal.net

here`s one i got from there

jase

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