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Playing Card Plethora / Re: TeaTime now live on Kickstarter
« on: June 29, 2015, 03:22:29 AM »
Thanks Don,

You have been a lot of help!  Your advice and guidance has had a profound affect and change on this project and potential future ones.  As we have just become the most popular kickstarter in Australia, the likelihood of us raising enough funds to go towards one of your preferred printers is seeming more realistic. 

Only issue is it would affect the timeline, but I imagine majority of supporters will be willing to wait a touch longer for for better quality.  If not this time, then definitely in the future.  Waiting to here back from LPCC, but will hopefully have an update in a day or two.

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Playing Card Plethora / Re: TeaTime now live on Kickstarter
« on: June 28, 2015, 06:49:03 PM »
I have a quick question.  The EPCC website is not working and their facebook has not had a post since April.   I can send them a message through facebook, or twitter, but I would prefer to know more about them and have at least an email to contact them with.

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Playing Card Plethora / Re: TeaTime now live on Kickstarter
« on: June 28, 2015, 05:12:30 AM »
"As regards pricing, what the project costs is the producer's problem not the backers'. 

If the producer ends up with a price which is competitive with the pricing of comparable decks on Kickstarter, it will be of no concern to most backers how much profit the producer is making for himself (or not making for himself)."


I never thought of myself as a producer, but merely a friend trying to help out a fellow artist.  I am not making money.  I am trying to make his dream come true.  None the less, I guess I am helping a lot with this project.  After we succeed with this, I know that we will be able to develop a project that will appeal more towards a market such as this one. 

"Considering what Kickstarter is, you should consider from day one that your audience will be global, not merely local.  If you were seeking only local buyers, then you need to find "Kickstarter.com.au" or whatever the local equivalent would be (assuming it even exists).  It's one thing if you're creating a geographically-based project of some kind, be it funding for the world's first underground park with piped-in sunlight (yes, it's a project running right now, the Lowline, to be constructed in an abandoned trolley yard under the Lower East Side of Manhattan) or if you're creating a deck like the Tacoma deck, where every single image on each card is of a local landmark that most people outside of the area would never have heard of.  It's quite another when the project is simply a deck of cards with no specific geographic attachment to it other than the creators' desire to distribute it locally.

I would compare it to walking to the edge of the Grand Canyon, shouting something into the canyon and expecting to be heard only by the few people standing next to you and not the dozens or hundreds of campers within earshot of the echo.  Another apt comparison would be to take out an ad in a national magazine about your studio apartment for rent in a small town somewhere in the middle of nowhere in particular.  You might want to find a renter who lives or at least works within a few miles, but you're advertising to an audience spread out over hundreds or even thousands of miles from where your apartment is.

Does a localized version of Kickstarter exist near you?  Probably not.  But what did people do before Kickstarter?  They advertised a product they planned to make and, if they lacked the funding but didn't require too much to get it off the ground, they took pre-orders to ease the financial burden of paying for the creation of the project first.  If you were only seeking local customers in modest numbers, that would have been a better model to follow.  Additionally, a more traditional funding route might have worked better, such as partnering with a retailer also interested in a more local or domestic focus that was willing to make the investment."

Kickstarter is an easy tool to appeal to our market.  If you search kickstarter geographically.  We are the second most popular in Australia.  Lot's of people fund local project through it.  It is relatively simple, we advertise to our local market and tell them we have a kickstarter campaign. 

I feel that many people here are displeased as this campaign is not the usual campaign.  It is higher cost than you are used to by an artist you are unfamiliar with a printer that does not have the quality you would like.  These are all valid points and you have been heard. 

I am happy to offer a limited promotion for this forum.  If you support us in "Warmest Regards" category, $15 AUD, I'll add a deck with free shipping as well as the postcard to the first 25 people if we get successfully funded.  All that I ask is that you send us a message saying you came from the Playingcardforum.  I understand there is no way to hold us accountable to this other than trusting me.  The offer is their though. 

Now, to steer the conversation back to the TeaTime deck, we have been in contact with Expert and LPC.  We are interested in LPC, especially, perhaps for the other deck that has been developed, The Devils Hand.  In regards to LPC, the paperstock, what is everyones opinion on it.  There are three types available, Diamond, Classic, and Emerald.  Which is your favourite?  Especially in regards to card handling.

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Playing Card Plethora / Re: TeaTime now live on Kickstarter
« on: June 27, 2015, 08:17:16 PM »
You have raised some interesting points in regards to collectors.

After this campaign is funded, Fyodor definitely would like to have limited run prints of this and another deck he is developing.  We will definitely keep this feedback in mind and produce future decks with the collector in mind.  Especially the advice of printers.  We are already exploring costing with the current kickstarter to see about adding a new stretch goal to change printers.

In regards to pricing based around the market.  We have developed the pricing do to our local market.  I understand that this is appealing to a worldwide crowd, but majority of support and the sale of the extra decks will be locally, or at least in Australia.  We will expand our targeted demographic into the future.

I would like to compare the pricing to a cost of beer.  In our kickstarter, the price of a collection of 54 pieces of artwork that has been developed by the artist for the past 8 years is roughly the same price of a 6 pack of decent beer.  The surplus decks will be sold in various shops and galleries for roughly the price of a case of cheap beer. 

If we have 250 decks leftover, the amount of money that we can get from that will be enough that we can reprint the decks without asking for help.  One goal we have is to not become dependent on crowd funding. 

Again, I really appreciate all the feedback, we have wanted to produce the best quality, best feeling, best handling decks.  Now that we know that their is a community with such passion about this medium I am certain we can develop something amazing with the more esteemed collector in mind, as opposed to the person who wants a really cool deck of cards. 

Do remember, this is our first time doing a project as large as this.  Your support and positive attitude can do wonders.

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Playing Card Plethora / Re: TeaTime now live on Kickstarter
« on: June 27, 2015, 04:10:15 AM »
Hello,

Thanks Don and Rob for the advice of LPCC.  We are definitely going to look into that.

I did want to clarify in regards to profits.  The idea of having half the decks to be resold seems logical to me.  That is money that we could invest into a new run of printing.  Our idea behind this kickstarter is to be self-sustained.

The artist has a large local and international following, signed items are an essential reward.  I do know now that I should have offered add-on decks or something similar at a lower price.  However that is part of the learning experience.

Again, I  really appreciate everyone's input.  We are about half way to our goal, so upgrading to a better printer seems more realistic as a stretch goal. 

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Playing Card Plethora / Re: TeaTime now live on Kickstarter
« on: June 26, 2015, 07:35:06 PM »
Hello all,

Thank you for the support and feedback. 

This project being run by a pair of artist, is indubitably daunting, but we hope that our supporters will be satisfied with the final product.  This is our first time crowdfunding and is a learning experience.  However, we are nearly 40% of the way to our goal within 24 hours, so I believe that is a good sign.

Our delivery is estimated between July and September.  July being for digitial, August for MPC fulfilment, and September for signed work.

Quote from: Rob Wright on June 26, 2015, 10:12:35 AM
Wow! that's some crazy pricing for a MPC deck. $15US shipped for an earlybird. About $22US for standard pricing. It's actually more expensive each when you get two. About $46US.

MPC is doing the fulfilment for majority of the cards.  The estimated cost of printing with fulfilment isn't much lower than the early bird price.  Especially with our heavy Australian market.  A lot of the pricing has been set with an Australian market in mind. 

The ones that need to be signed will need to be sent to Australia first, which is also why they have a shipping charge.

That is also why "The Collector" is more expensive. 

Initially, we aim to print 500 decks, half of which will be rewarded through kickstarter.  The rest will be enough that we can resell and use to print the decks into the future.  That is why the pricing is about $20 AUD.  However, if we are funded well enough, we would like to increase the quality as mentioned in our stretch goal and possibly change to a new printer. 

Quote from: chas0039 on June 26, 2015, 09:40:27 AM
I wish you had done a completed project or two so I could have more confidence as these are awesome cards.
I respect that, this is a learning experience for us but heck, we all have to start somewhere.  I hope to gain your trust in the future.

What printer would everyone recommend that offers fulfilment?

I will report back in within a few days to answer any other questions or address and other concerns.

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Playing Card Plethora / TeaTime [KS]
« on: June 26, 2015, 04:27:33 AM »
The Russian born Australian, Fyodor Krasniy has just launched a campaign to fund his deck. 

Do note that the prices are in AUD, so anyone in the US can take advantage of the currency exchange and get these decks a good price. 

Check it out herehttps://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1006347430/teatime-silhouette-playing-cards


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Design & Development / TeaTime by Madness and Tea
« on: June 24, 2015, 08:16:35 AM »
Hello,

My friend and I have been working on a deck that we would like to create soon.  Thanks to this forum, as well as a few other sources, we are just about ready to launch a kickstarter campaign.  I wanted to get everyones feedback and any other advice for us. 

Here are a few of the key features of this deck/kickstarter campaign

-54 cards, each one featuring a sinister Silouhette.
-Each 4 of a kind tells a story, for example, 6's are Lovers, Kings are Villains, Queens are Femme Fatales
-Printed 310g Air-Stock Linen printed through MPC
-Approximately $15 USD which includes free shipping






For more information on the artist and his project, Check out either http://madnessandtea.com.au/ or https://www.facebook.com/fyodorkrasniy?fref=ts

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Introduce Yourself / Hello, I hope I can enrich your lives with a touch of Mad Science
« on: May 26, 2015, 08:40:22 AM »
Hello,

I am a world travelling nomadic eccentric arty farty type with way too many decks of cards for my own good.  Recently I have been helping a fellow artist bring to life his deck design (largely because I want one myself) and joined this forum to discover what makes an excellent deck.

I could ask the basic questions here, but I am betting that it has been asked many times before, so I will do the proper thing and search this forum first.  Hopefully if this project gets worked out I can add some new fantastic decks to your collections.

Take Care
-MS@W

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