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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Re: Post Your Vintage Collection - Your Newest & Most Prized Acquisitions
« on: March 19, 2020, 03:47:40 PM »
I believe the one labeled as a "Poker" deck actually says Poker on the card back and is the name of the deck.  In all cases I have seen Kem list their poker-sized cards as "Wide" and not "poker-sized".  Here is the one that I have that is named "Poker", which, ironically, is bridge-sized.



As for Wide size, I have never seen anything earlier than the ones that arrive in the vinyl cases.

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Introduce Yourself / Re: Hello from Louisiana!
« on: February 02, 2020, 11:30:13 PM »
Well, I think most that would be made today are most likely going to be more of the cheaper variety.  You may have better luck looking on Etsy for some more vintage sets as they may be better quality, and nostalgia adds to the love.  As for having some made, I imagine you are referring to something like MPC.  I've done that before, though it can be a bit pricey for just one or two special decks.

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Playing Card Plethora / Re: Mythos Playing Cards - Trickster Gods (Collector's Edition) & Puzzle box
« on: February 01, 2020, 10:52:33 PM »
Love the color scheme on the tuck.

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Introduce Yourself / Re: Hello from Louisiana!
« on: February 01, 2020, 10:46:57 PM »
Hello neighbor - Biloxi here, also collect Bikes as well as Kem and other artists.  Always nice to see someone in my neck of the woods.  When you say Rook, you mean the card game Rook (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rook_(card_game) ?

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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Re: Ask the Experts at 52 Plus Joker
« on: January 05, 2020, 12:18:42 PM »
You can go to https://www.portfolio52.com and search for Bicycle.  They capture scans of the front and back of the tuck boxes and most Bicycle tucks show the card back on the back of the tuck.

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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Re: Ask the Experts at 52 Plus Joker
« on: December 28, 2019, 11:05:33 PM »
OK thanks man.  I went ahead and ordered it so maybe if we are all lucky there will be an order card included with the name on it.  Small chance, but here's to hoping!

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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Re: Ask the Experts at 52 Plus Joker
« on: December 28, 2019, 08:32:17 PM »
I'm trying to get the names of a couple of Kem sets that I just cannot seem to track down.

In the attached image are the pics of the ones I am trying to track down.  The first one has a date code of 251. The second set has a date code of 1195 and looks a lot like the Crown and Anchor Society logo (Royal Caribbean).  Any help would be appreciated!


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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Re: Post Your Vintage Collection - Your Newest & Most Prized Acquisitions
« on: July 12, 2016, 06:53:28 PM »
Also, the second picture - the red box with the quad antique A's - those are poker-sized Da Vinci Persiano cards.  The flat top box with the busted heart Royal has bridge sized Copag Epoc cards in them.  Box of those are boxes from Poland.  Just wanted you to see that they will normally hold poker sized cards.

I've included a picture showing the protective cases I use and that they will normally fit in the box as well.

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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Re: Post Your Vintage Collection - Your Newest & Most Prized Acquisitions
« on: July 12, 2016, 06:45:34 PM »

Those wooden playing card boxes are amazing.
Are they suitable for Bridge size card only?

Thanks for sharing.
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Thanks!  I actually started collecting the boxes before I started collecting Kem cards.  I had originally just intended to have a handful of 100% plastic cards to go with the room and I found the cool boxes.  That blew up to around 50 boxes and led into the Kem collection.

The ones from Poland and Italy are almost always large enough to hold Bridge and Poker sized cards.  There are three main styles.

This is what I call them, so here are the three main style.
1.  Flat Top - these are like a standard set box.  Two decks are cards laying flat side by side.
2.  Top Loader - these are like the old Kem cases.  Two decks on their side.
3.  Double-Decker - think of the Double Decker buses - Two decks laying flat on top of each other.

There are a few more vintage styles.  There are some from Japan that are like the Top Loader and Double-Decker, but they have little drawers with handles you can pull out.  Also a few Top Loaders where the top is more like a sleeve of wood that comes completely on and off.

I'd say about 95% of the ones I have can hold bridge and poker sized cards.  Most of my collection is bridge sized.  After a lot of these pictures were made, I put all the cards in clear plastic bridge-sized 54 card cases and those cases fit in the box, so I know poker sized cards would.

Bonus picture of my lammer box.
 

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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Kem Millennium - fake?
« on: July 11, 2016, 09:32:58 PM »
I picked this deck up in a grab-bag auction.  It came with about 6 or 7 other authentic Kem decks, but I am leery about this deck.  My issues:

1.  They are paper.  I've never seen Kem cards made of paper since that is just not what they are.
2.  They are thick.  Most likely due to being made of paper.  They are about three cards thicker than a normal set of Kems.
3.  The color is washed out.  You can see how washed out in the picture below.
4.  They use the base background of the Hemisphere cards, which were released in the early 80's.
5.  The date code is B108.  That doesn't jive with how the date codes were used during 2000 as far as I know.
6.  Quality is poor.  Look at the KoD and 4oD and notice how off center they are.

So, are these fake?  Possibly a prototype?

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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Re: Post Your Vintage Collection - Your Newest & Most Prized Acquisitions
« on: July 11, 2016, 06:13:19 PM »
Quote from: Chuqii on July 11, 2016, 05:21:55 PM
As a KEM collector, you should check out the highly informative "Before Bakelite" article in Card Culture from last year.

Only two decks I saw that was misnamed.  Zodiac should be Guiding Star, and Medallions should be Moon Flower

Thanks - I'll look into finding copies of this Card Culture.  And thanks for the name corrections.  I've gotten so frustrated at times I am thinking of setting up a website just for the purpose of listing each card name and a picture for others who have the same problem!

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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Re: Post Your Vintage Collection - Your Newest & Most Prized Acquisitions
« on: July 11, 2016, 06:11:47 PM »
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"Hi RFS1972!

Nice collection!  ... I really like the displays you've created!

Kruser"

Thanks.  I use jewelry display cases with glass tops from Amazon to display them.  Inside the cases, I put each deck inside a clear plastic bridge-sized case, which you can pick up from makeplayingcards.com (their shipping charges are atrocious by the way).  All Kem original containers are cataloged and stored in the closet...lol.  All the other cards I store in wooden/leather boxes made for playing cards.  You can find those all over Ebay and Amazon.  A lot of the wooden boxes come from Poland and the leather ones from Italy.

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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Re: Post Your Vintage Collection - Your Newest & Most Prized Acquisitions
« on: July 10, 2016, 10:27:32 PM »
Continued from previous post...

Picture 6
1.  Hemisphere Clamshell
2.  AMEX Clamshell
3.  Tall Ships Clamshell
4.  Gamecocks Clamshell

The last two pictures are just of the card collection portion of the poker room (most of it anyway).

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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Re: Post Your Vintage Collection - Your Newest & Most Prized Acquisitions
« on: July 10, 2016, 10:26:04 PM »
New member here.  I've been collecting Kem cards for a little while, as well as Copag, Cartamundi, Dal Negro, Fournier and a smattering of others.  Mainly 100% plastic cards as I used to deal poker and love to play.  My dining room has turned into a poker room with a sizable card display.  I took some pics of the Kem collection.  I'll list the names of the cards also since at times, I've had to search and dig to find them out.  Maybe this will help others out and if I am incorrect, I can get the real name!



Picture 1
1.  Radiance
2.  Jacquard
3.  Panther
4.  Daisies
5.  Maple
6.  American Horses
7.  Cardinals
8.  Gamecocks (White)
9.  Gamecocks (Color)
10.  Mallard
11.  Duchess
12.  Shells of the Sea
13.  Scroll
14.  Club
15.  Carnations
16.  Spinnaker
17.  Casino Back
18.  Chrysanthemums
19.  Arrow
20.  Alpha



Picture 2
1.  Seagull
2.  York
3.  Flamingo
4.  Flying Cloud
5.  Carousel
6.  Seville
7.  Clipper Ship
8.  Harvest
9.  Arabesque
10.  Jade
11.  Stargazer
12.  Blossoms
13.  Eagle
14.  Paisley
15.  Windrose
16.  Wisteria
17.  Fantasy
18.  Fawn
19.  Augusta National Golf Club
20.  Pantheon



Picture 3
Left Box
1.  Kent
2.  Soverign
3.  Country Geese
4.  Sequence
5.  Florence
6.  Tall Ships
7.  Cameo
8.  Cameo Vine Border
9.  Crown
10.  Florentine
11.  Golf
Right Box
1.  Camellia
2.  Pharaoh
3.  Monaco
4.  Garland
5.  Pinochle
6.  Liberty Centennial
7.  Victorian



Picture 4
Left Box
1.  WPT (Wide)
2.  Barnes & Nobles (Wide)
3.  Hummingbird
4.  Unicorn
5.  Millinium (I think these are fake - they are made of paper and use the Hemisphere art)
6.  Egret
7.  Old Glory
8.  Water Lily
9.  Dogwood
10.  Balloons
11.  Medallion (??  Guesing on a name here...maybe Mandala?)
Right Box
1.  Zodiac
2.  Equestrian
3.  Inlay
4.  Allhambra
5.  Roses
6.  Angels
7.  Bicentennial
8.  Decor
9.  Mosaic
10.  Athens
11.  Golf II



Picture 5
1.  Liberty Centennial Clamshell
2.  Bicentennial Clamshell
3.  Carnation Clamshell
4.  Florence Miniature Set

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