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« on: December 17, 2011, 03:26:09 PM »
 

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Please learn about this bill that is attempting to get passed. It is very important that this bill does not pass, in order to keep the internet how it exists today


Here is a short video explaining the situation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhwuXNv8fJM
 

Re: SOPA
« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2011, 04:02:44 PM »
 

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Did not need to watch the video, asked my father and he said it was to stop downloading from the internet, we cant let it pass!!!
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Re: SOPA
« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2011, 04:33:29 PM »
 

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Curt - how is Canada in this regard?

I am completely against any SOPA-esque bills. We already have Internet censorship in the States but it is very minimal and simple to bypass. As you guys know, I am completely against the censorship of information and like it or not, SOPA kills more than piracy.

Once you give companies the power to censor whatever they want based on copyright claims, the next step will be censoring anything they want based on libel, slander, etc.

Not only should piracy be legalized (you can't stop it, and giving someone jail time for ripping music and putting them in a cell with hard criminals is insane), but companies should not wield any power in regards to what is put out on the web.

There are many steps good companies take to stop piracy in its tracks. How many of you pirated Starcraft 2? The answer is tens of thousands, but how many were able to actually enjoy the part of SC2 that was its selling point (the online multiplayer)? None.

Companies must provide incentive for people to buy the real thing. I am 100% for DRM on software, music, movies, etc. Let Hollywood decide how to stop someone from downloading, but keep Government out of our lives.
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Re: SOPA
« Reply #3 on: December 17, 2011, 05:21:25 PM »
 

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From what I know, Canada is pretty relaxed on how it deals with piracy issues and censorship. But being so interconnected with the United States makes every major decision they make have repercussions in Canada. I am pretty sure that if we were not so much at the mercy of the states then our anti piracy movement of our Canadian government would be much less active than it currently is. SOPA actually will do little if anything to combat piracy and will just end up hurting what makes the internet such a valuable resource to the world.

Gabe Newell, the president of Valve and creator of Steam ( the game distribution system ) has made his stance clear that it is only going to be inovation from the developers of new games will be the only way to slow down/stop game piracy . He has shown how after creating an easier way of distributing games via steam, it can create larger profits for game developers and help reduce piracy issues, although it's not a perfect solution.

I actually am not a huge fan of the DRM method. In an ideal world I would like what I own to be mine and allow me to do everything thing I want it to do, without having to work around it. I understand that DRM is a stepping stone and hopefully newer methods will be created that serve the purpose better. I am a huge supported of purchasing video games from developers you want to support, its different than buying music where most of the proceeds go to the record label or studio, when you buy a game you are supporting the creators of the game. Not saying that stealing music is right, I am just saying that purchasing games supports the creators more than purchasing music does.
« Last Edit: December 17, 2011, 05:28:10 PM by Curt »
 

Re: SOPA
« Reply #4 on: December 17, 2011, 05:42:46 PM »
 

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Well there is good DRM and bad DRM (for those that don't know, DRM stands for Digital Rights Management, and is additional software bundled into games, movies, etc. to stop piracy).

For example, limited installs of a product is ridiculous - that's an example of horrible DRM and Apple is actually guilty of it with their iTunes playlists and such.

A good example of DRM, to me, is Blizzard's Battle.net. You can pirate any of their games fairly easily, but on their older games, only one person could connect per CD key to the web with the game, making CD key sharing pointless. Nowadays, you just can't hop online at all if you pirate the game. I love this, because honestly I don't like the idea of playing a video game with someone that pirated it on the web. Paying for a product is a good thing, but not for all products continuously.

Things like music should never be a luxury that only the rich can enjoy. I see no problem with someone who barely has any money pirating tens of thousands of songs. Why not add a little good into their lives?

If I owned pirated material, I wouldn't care if people were copying it. It's my own job to give them incentive to buy the real thing. This applies to magic as well.

So many people are anti-piracy for magic and the like, but my stance on it is very strict:

Offer something with your DVD/book/PDF/etc. that you cannot get if you only own a digital copy. First of all, demanding that nobody pirates a .pdf file is silly, and although it may be "uncool" for Johnny to illegally download Lee Asher's work, as Lee Asher I wouldn't pursue the kid to court if I found out about it.

Take Pure Smoke, for example. You can go download it for free, but what good does it do you if you don't have the rest of the items the trick comes with?

Look at Dresscode by Calen Morelli, and how something so tiny can make the DVD itself worth purchasing (those of you that have it know what this something is). Granted, it's bypassable, so why not throw in added incentive and bundle the whole gaff, premade, into the DVD? Increase the price, and all of a sudden people that could pirate it for free would have to work hard to use the trick, whereas those that pay get the benefit of having it done for them.

The point is, as a paying customer I want to feel better than the guy who gets stuff free. That's why I enjoy movie theatres, but have never purchased a movie on DVD in my life. What benefit do I get from paying for the DVD that the pirate does not get?

My stance on music is quite simple: pirate everything that isn't from an indie artist, or from a band you genuinely love. For those that say it's stealing from the artist, the artist that signs with a record label sees only about 5-10% of the total profits, and makes the vast majority of his or her money from concerts and tours.

If you really want to support artists, go to their concerts!

However, like Curt my biggest fear is the idea that censoring the Internet will become acceptable, and a moral thing to do. Freedom of speech is on the most slippery slope it has ever been with the advent of the World Wide Web, and we are one tiny little step from being akin to China or Iran.

The day the US government censors my web, will be the day I riot. I will not be forced into ignorance by politicians and corporate America. I urge all of you in the States to contact your local representatives and tell them blatantly that they will lose your vote if they vote yes to SOPA.
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Re: SOPA
« Reply #5 on: December 17, 2011, 11:18:53 PM »
 

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It's irritating that SOPA will have such a large, global impact on content and yet anyone outside the US doesn't really have a say in it.  As for music, I think the old model is dead.  The old model is taking some pretty but ultimately talentless creature, get some talentless (but 'knows what people like') songwriter to vomit out a 3 chord trick with nonsensical lyrics, over-produce it until all humanity is gone from it (or pay someone who can actually sing/play to do the recording and get the pretty creature to mime when they play live) and charge an extortionate sum for the privilege of listening to it.

The music industry has been living an unsustainable system for far too long; I might love bands like Led Zeppelin and Pink Floyd but the amount of money they made is ridiculous, never mind the labels.  I really wish more artists did it like Radiohead; it's online, pay what you like.  Don't give me all that stuff about wanting something physical, either; if you want art-work, there's plenty of visual artists who do great work; buy something from them and leave musicians to make music.

That way, the existing, rancid and awful system finally dies.  The suits running the labels jump out a high window, or do something else with their lives.  The know-nothing hipster A&R guys go back to being homeless drug addicts and the artist earns a respectful sum for the job they love.  Everyone who deserves it wins.
 

Re: SOPA
« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2012, 02:03:52 PM »
 

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https://www.google.com/landing/takeaction/ here is the Link so if u want to petition the laws DON'T LET THEM TAKE AWARE FREEDOM !!! IF THEY PASS THIS WHAT'S NEXT THE NEXT HOLOCAUST >:( 
 

Re: SOPA
« Reply #7 on: January 18, 2012, 04:06:39 PM »
 

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That petition illustrates Kanped's point pretty well... Only US residents can sign it. It's a shame, really.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7DkrsCCQ_A
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Re: SOPA
« Reply #8 on: January 18, 2012, 04:09:10 PM »
 

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No moon, i signed it it it went through fin, isn't it letting you? (im in australia)
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Re: SOPA
« Reply #9 on: January 18, 2012, 04:31:02 PM »
 

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IF THEY PASS THIS WHAT'S NEXT THE NEXT HOLOCAUST >:( 

...no.  How did you even envisage that happening?  I'm serious; I want a step by step break down of exactly how you imagined SOPA passing being causally liked to 'the next holocaust'.  It'd be a great read.

Anyway, the Obama administration has (finally) publicly stated that it will not support 'legislation that reduces freedom of expression, increases cybersecurity risk, or undermines the dynamic, innovative global Internet.'

Congress has dropped SOPA.  It'll either be re-written (presumably with much more sane guidelines), or forgotten about.  It's pretty much over.


EDIT: BTW, this doesn't necessarily stop (the potentially much scarier for those of you in the US) PIPA bill, which should be next on everyone's hitlist.  It doesn't really affect anyone outside the US like SOPA does but inside the US, it could start some very worrying trends.  In the UK, a similar initiative to the one proposed in PIPA attempted to block access to Newzbin (a Usenet search engine) using a national filter that was previously used exclusively to block child pornography.  Naturally, anyone who is familiar enough with the internet to even be aware of Usenet can very easily still access the site but that's hardly the point.
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Re: SOPA
« Reply #10 on: January 18, 2012, 04:59:01 PM »
 

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this is serious to me because with those laws pass websites like facebook,youtube, google they can all be gone they can take down this sites and make us watch there lame shows watch this video for more incite in the whole thing http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=qIYwpowb73Y !!!
 

Re: SOPA
« Reply #11 on: January 18, 2012, 05:13:06 PM »
 

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Google and Facebook are not under threat at all.  People using Facebook might be.

http://shoryuken.com/2011/06/29/trolling-the-stream-by-ultradavid/

Some actual insight (note spelling) by someone who knows what they're talking about.
 

Re: SOPA
« Reply #12 on: January 18, 2012, 05:15:57 PM »
 

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Frost, let's face it. The big sites were never in any real danger. The only issue for them was wasting thousands of man hours implementing more copyright protection into their software, and the content on those sites going down the drain. No one would block YouTube or Wikipedia, because that would cause an intense backlash from the community.

The real danger here is handing power to corrupt people. The scope of that power is intense. I would argue that no corporation should have any sort of control over the Internet. If we are to assume that "corporations are people" as stated by the US Supreme Court, then why should individual people decide what we can and cannot see on the web?

As you all know by now, I'm a free speech fanatic. I enjoy protecting the rights of a racist to say what they want, so that I can enjoy my right to have some words in response. The world is better off when left to the devices of the people, and not a money-seeking conglomerate of CEOs.
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Re: SOPA
« Reply #13 on: January 18, 2012, 05:38:26 PM »
 

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I think the real problem is giving the US government the power to imprison people for copyright infringement.  Over 1 in every 100 adult males in the USA are in prison.  Let that sink in for a minute.  Why?  Well, I have a theory. 

Prosecutors are becoming much more aggressive, refiling open-and-shut cases countless times until they get their guilty verdict.  It happens all the time.  The US economy is struggling and a vital (and very profitable) part of that economy is prison labour.  The US has a policy of not importing goods made by prison labourers but BOY do they export them by the bucketload.  There's a bunch of stuff that needs to be made that would not be made by any other means (quick example; if you live in the US have a car, its licence plate was made in prison, no exceptions). 

Basically, putting more people in prison, even after the cost of keeping you there (mostly because the prisons are covered on a need basis under taxes anyway), is an effective way to stimulate the economy and as a bonus, it brings the unemployment figures down because the able-bodied men who would be working are now prisoners who don't count in unemployment figures. 

I honestly believe that the judicial system in the US is purposefully imprisoning innocent people (or at least people who don't deserve to be there).  Now, it would be extreme but certainly not impossible or without precedent, for the US government to use SOPA and PIPA to recruit new workers (slaves) in the penal system.
 

Re: SOPA
« Reply #14 on: January 18, 2012, 06:15:41 PM »
 

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If you're an American citizen your signature will count. It takes literally 20 seconds and if you've ever wanted to have a voice, it's now. Seriously. Do it. Don't skim this. Open the link and do it. There is no age limit.


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Re: SOPA
« Reply #15 on: January 18, 2012, 07:12:10 PM »
 

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I hate government. I hate our government. I'm just tired of all the crap that they do, I signed the petition but I wouldn't be surprised if this passed still.
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Re: SOPA
« Reply #16 on: January 19, 2012, 05:39:25 PM »
 

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SOPA shut down Megaupload!!!!!  :'(
 

Re: SOPA
« Reply #17 on: January 19, 2012, 05:48:20 PM »
 

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Megaupload being down can't have anything to do with SOPA, it didn't even pass...
I'm unleashing my google-fu.

Edit: http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5g0HiB0PrdprLqIHlwUdYtB05l2sA?docId=c93737704b504930a11fc307d67b674d
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Re: SOPA
« Reply #18 on: January 19, 2012, 06:22:45 PM »
 

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The end of Megaupload was immanent, just like Limewire was. Everyone knew what was going on so it was only a matter of time before the feds shut it down.
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Re: SOPA
« Reply #19 on: January 20, 2012, 12:44:06 AM »
 

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megauploads servers were in the US what the hell did they expect? make people pay for copyrighted material and  :'( happens
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Re: SOPA
« Reply #20 on: January 22, 2012, 04:19:48 PM »
 

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I only know what i've read on Engadget and other sites like Roosterteeth, but I can see no good thing about this, if we let this pass, and give up this right, it is just one more step toward loosing the freedoms that the US fights for.