Smoke and Mirrors v7

[Magic_Orthodoxy]

I think now that the individual boxes are out, I might pick up an extra red, blue and green - and put the sealed ones away.

BTW the "carbon" discount still worked as of Saturday night

[KPopFever605]

Meanwhile, check out who won the Smoke and Mirrors v7 Promo Contest (something I didn't even know about):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qt_R7TMl4GY

[S.C.]

I think now that the individual boxes are out, I might pick up an extra red, blue and green - and put the sealed ones away.

BTW the "carbon" discount still worked as of Saturday night

I can understand why people are up in arms about the current sale of single decks from the box set, But if your like me, I bought the boxed set with no intention of breaking the seal on the decks of cards. I'm actually a little glad that they released the single decks, I was wondering how different the handling of the re-releases were compared to the originals so I bought a few of the single decks to play around with and compare and I don't have to open the "collectors" set. I guess it all depends on how you look at the situation that determines if this bothers you or not. Although, if I bought the set and opened them to use the cards I guess this move would get on my nerves a little.


Oh the reason I qouted above is because the "CARBON" discount still worked this morning. thanks for the tip.

[MrMollusk]

I'm ecstatic they released them in singles. I REALLY wanted the Smoke deck and the Mirror deck, but I didn't want to buy the whole freakin box set.

[Michael]

I'm ecstatic they released them in singles. I REALLY wanted the Smoke deck and the Mirror deck, but I didn't want to buy the whole freakin box set.

I couldn't help myself and picked up one of each of those decks  although I think I want to buy another set.... Must.... Fight.... The.... Urge!  I don't think it's too late to add to my order either seeing as they won't ship till at least mid next week...

[MrMollusk]

I'm ecstatic they released them in singles. I REALLY wanted the Smoke deck and the Mirror deck, but I didn't want to buy the whole freakin box set.

I couldn't help myself and picked up one of each of those decks  although I think I want to buy another set.... Must.... Fight.... The.... Urge!  I don't think it's too late to add to my order either seeing as they won't ship till at least mid next week...

Well, the original V4s, V5s, and V6s are still available if you don't mind eating nothing but Ramen for a week. It's the V3s that'll set me back to when found 5 dollars in first grade.

[Michael]

I'm lucky enough to have the original V4-6s in quantities more than 1. I haven't found any of the original V1-3s for anything less than an arm and a leg unfortunately. I think that's the reason I bought these new versions (not sure if to call them reprints cause they do have more than just a few points that're different from the originals). But my fund that was exclusively set aside for my collecting is dwindling so I felt it wise not to buy more than one of the Smoke and one of the Mirrors.

I don't think it's too late to tag an extra one on without having to pay for shipping (hopefully). Still debating on whether or not I should be unwise and just get an extra so I can leave one sealed.

[Magic_Orthodoxy]

yea, I am in the same boat, I had them all in my shopping cart with my finger over the button and my wife in the other room yelling at me, "We owe taxes this year!"

Curse you Uncle Sam for standing between me and cards. I need a sugar daddy.

[Siegismyname]

Are the carbon copy boxes the same as the v7 boxset? I tried googling but dont see pictures of it anywhere.

[Fanofyankees13]

Are the carbon copy boxes the same as the v7 boxset? I tried googling but dont see pictures of it anywhere.

No. The Carbon Copy box has only the v7 Carbon decks in it- 6 of them, to be exact. The v7 boxset has one of each of the "new" Smoke and Mirrors v7 decks- Smoke, Mirror, Eco, Denim, Rouge, and Carbon.

[Don Boyer]

yea, I am in the same boat, I had them all in my shopping cart with my finger over the button and my wife in the other room yelling at me, "We owe taxes this year!"

Curse you Uncle Sam for standing between me and cards. I need a sugar daddy.

No, you like women.  You need a sugar momma... 

As I see it, the version seven release isn't something to freak out over.  Performance-wise, they're practically identical to most custom releases that have come out since Magic Finish became standard.  That's not a bad thing, but it also makes decks seem more or less the same, with only the design setting them apart.  These all have pretty straightforward USPC faces, so it's only the backs that make them interesting.  But even there, we've seen these styles before - they're old, relative to the modern custom-deck release cycle.  Smoke and Mirror (Luxury Edition) are a little more distinctive, but the rest are the same thing done over and over since version 4, the Eco edition.  I'm not one to gripe too much these days about color changes, but using the same design over and over like that?  Imagine one of the other card companies releasing simple recolorations of the same deck for roughly two years or more - you'd get tired of them.  Just as I'm tired of the S&M series.

Now the New Fan Backs and Steamboats - that's another story altogether...   

[Michael]

I received the individual decks from the V7s yesterday and had little chance to actually break them in well. But initial handling opinion sides with Don's in that it handles like any other Magic Finish deck out there. Nicely, but nothing special.

Can't stand to see faces still. I held them up next to the original version courts and shed a small tear. I know it was also said already but I find it interesting how the whites on these aren't actually white. They did the same with the new Steamboats. I liked it on the Steamboats but honestly not so much on these.

[Siegismyname]

Are the carbon copy boxes the same as the v7 boxset? I tried googling but dont see pictures of it anywhere.

No. The Carbon Copy box has only the v7 Carbon decks in it- 6 of them, to be exact. The v7 boxset has one of each of the "new" Smoke and Mirrors v7 decks- Smoke, Mirror, Eco, Denim, Rouge, and Carbon.

Sorry i wasnt clear enough. I was referring to the exterior black box that the decks come with. But thanks for trying to clear my queries anyways

[Fanofyankees13]

Are the carbon copy boxes the same as the v7 boxset? I tried googling but dont see pictures of it anywhere.

No. The Carbon Copy box has only the v7 Carbon decks in it- 6 of them, to be exact. The v7 boxset has one of each of the "new" Smoke and Mirrors v7 decks- Smoke, Mirror, Eco, Denim, Rouge, and Carbon.

Sorry i wasnt clear enough. I was referring to the exterior black box that the decks come with. But thanks for trying to clear my queries anyways

Ah, well, I believe the black boxes are the same, but the sleeves that go over the top of the boxes are different.

[Don Boyer]

I received the individual decks from the V7s yesterday and had little chance to actually break them in well. But initial handling opinion sides with Don's in that it handles like any other Magic Finish deck out there. Nicely, but nothing special.

Can't stand to see faces still. I held them up next to the original version courts and shed a small tear. I know it was also said already but I find it interesting how the whites on these aren't actually white. They did the same with the new Steamboats. I liked it on the Steamboats but honestly not so much on these.

Yeah, they started that with the Vintage Plaid decks.  I gotta say, of all the colors I'd use to make a deck appear aged, pale puke green would NOT be my first, second or third choice...  Why give them an aged look at all, really?  They're not decades old, nor are the originals they're modeled after!  That green doesn't make them look old - it makes them look contaminated!

[Siegismyname]

Are the carbon copy boxes the same as the v7 boxset? I tried googling but dont see pictures of it anywhere.

No. The Carbon Copy box has only the v7 Carbon decks in it- 6 of them, to be exact. The v7 boxset has one of each of the "new" Smoke and Mirrors v7 decks- Smoke, Mirror, Eco, Denim, Rouge, and Carbon.

Sorry i wasnt clear enough. I was referring to the exterior black box that the decks come with. But thanks for trying to clear my queries anyways

Ah, well, I believe the black boxes are the same, but the sleeves that go over the top of the boxes are different.

What sleeves? didnt they come in plastic wrap?

[Michael]

Yeah, they started that with the Vintage Plaid decks.  I gotta say, of all the colors I'd use to make a deck appear aged, pale puke green would NOT be my first, second or third choice...  Why give them an aged look at all, really?  They're not decades old, nor are the originals they're modeled after!  That green doesn't make them look old - it makes them look contaminated!

Hmm I didn't recall that the Vintage Plaids were like that as well. Maybe I should've paid more attention to my decks ah well. And I don't really mind the aged color... Maybe yes, a little less green would be nice. But I don't understand why you'd do that with the S&Ms. They're supposed to be the "perfect set of perfect cards" or however they were trying to advertise them. I'd imagine they wanted more of a cutting edge, everything redesigned feel. Not a vintage and aged feel.

What sleeves? didnt they come in plastic wrap?

I'm guessing the "sleeve" he's referring to is the cover? Not really a sleeve but what else could he be referring to?

[MrMollusk]

I received the individual decks from the V7s yesterday and had little chance to actually break them in well. But initial handling opinion sides with Don's in that it handles like any other Magic Finish deck out there. Nicely, but nothing special.

Can't stand to see faces still. I held them up next to the original version courts and shed a small tear. I know it was also said already but I find it interesting how the whites on these aren't actually white. They did the same with the new Steamboats. I liked it on the Steamboats but honestly not so much on these.

Yeah, they started that with the Vintage Plaid decks.  I gotta say, of all the colors I'd use to make a deck appear aged, pale puke green would NOT be my first, second or third choice...  Why give them an aged look at all, really?  They're not decades old, nor are the originals they're modeled after!  That green doesn't make them look old - it makes them look contaminated!

I loved the shading on the vintage plaid. It tied in really, really nice with the theme and design. It was also done in more of a beige shade, so they didn't look too sickly.
Can't say the same for these though. Haven't seen them irl.

[Fanofyankees13]

Correct, I misspoke. I meant to say cover, not sleeve. I was referring to the cover that goes over the top of the box.

[Siegismyname]

Correct, I misspoke. I meant to say cover, not sleeve. I was referring to the cover that goes over the top of the box.

how different? So they don't say smoke and mirror?

[Don Boyer]

The boxes are the same.  They're actually all the same "Smoke and Mirrors v7" series.  The Carbon Copy boxes are numbered 7,001-7,777.  They have different certificates of authenticity.

On top is the standard boxed set, while on the bottom is the Carbon Copy set - the certificate is black and states "Carbon Copy" in the bottom left.  But the boxes are the same.

[Michael]

Ah that's a good distinction! I think that makes perfect sense even though I haven't seen a picture of the lid. I like the fact that (if it does also say Smoke and Mirrors) that they keep with the idea that "it's all V7" and make these like a special few sets.

[Anthony]

I'm sorry for resurrecting an older thread, but to recap.........

I just can't keep track of all of this when I'm looking for decks.

Smoke was released in it's original 3 versions
Mirror was released in it's original 3 versions
Eco was released in it's original and ??
Denim was released in it's original and ??
Rouge was released in it's original and??
Carbon??

I'm just looking to represent S&M in my collection, I don't mind the reprints, I just want to know what I'm looking at and for. I just picked up a Smoke, Mirror, Eco and Denim...not originals. But what are they, I noticed the tucks are diffrent than my v6, are they re releases or the re releases, lol

Below is what I have in my collection, Gracias in advance.......now I need a Tylenol

[kdklown]

Your V6 is an original.  All the rest are part of the V7 reprints. 

Eco was released in it's original, Original w/ seal and V7 Reprints
Denim was released in it's original and V7 Reprints
Rouge was released in it's original and V7 Reprints
Carbon Part of V7 Run

I'm sure others can add to this list but thats the basics

[Anthony]

Thanks kd, appreciate it