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Siegismyname · « **on:** December 28, 2011, 05:29:37 AM »

From what I know, this is a first run black tiger(white pip) deck from Ellusionist which does not have a barcode nor a barcode reveal. This deck is also air cushion finish, before the UV 500 finish existed. Can anyone confirm?

dmbaggs · « **Reply #1 on:** December 28, 2011, 05:36:09 AM »

I want to say yes because I'm pretty sure (not 100%) that the barcode reveal wasn't applied until later. I'm not sure about the finish though.

If it is that's a pretty nifty addition to any collection!! Nice find

Siegismyname · « **Reply #2 on:** December 28, 2011, 05:38:50 AM »

Thx. Those are mine actually. I was thinking of selling or trading them

dmbaggs · « **Reply #3 on:** December 28, 2011, 05:42:10 AM »

Oh very cool!! It looks like you have some nice decks in your collection (just what I can see from the pictures). I'm sure there are many collectors that would love to buy/trade for that deck!

Don Boyer · « **Reply #4 on:** December 28, 2011, 05:47:43 AM »

I think the best way to know the answer to that for sure would be to check with Ellusionist. As far as I know - and that's not all that far - the Black Tigers were UV500 to start with and didn't get "Air Cushioned" until later. Only E can give you the truly definitive answer.

Evan · « **Reply #5 on:** December 28, 2011, 03:56:27 PM »

They must be one of the first runs.
They're from Cincinnati, they say Air- Cushion, and theres no barcode!
The Black Tiger white pips are out of print which means, the only time the box said Air Cushion, was one of the first runs.

Siegismyname · « **Reply #6 on:** December 28, 2011, 09:54:13 PM »

i was actually hoping one of the E reps would come here to verify. How much do you think this would cost?

Jin Jian · « **Reply #7 on:** December 28, 2011, 11:19:27 PM »

i saw a white ghost deck just like the same as your no barcode and is air-cunshion finish but i doubt that anyone will want to buy it expect for collecter

Evan · « **Reply #8 on:** December 29, 2011, 01:54:41 AM »

Since its not a popular deck for collectors because not many people have them sealed and it wasnt meant to be a limited deck, its hard to put a price on it. So it all comes down to opinion. In my opinion, its worth about $30
But thats just my opinion

Don Boyer · « **Reply #9 on:** December 29, 2011, 05:20:42 AM »

Quote from: MagicAddictz on December 29, 2011, 01:54:41 AM

Since its not a popular deck for collectors because not many people have them sealed and it wasnt meant to be a limited deck, its hard to put a price on it. So it all comes down to opinion. In my opinion, its worth about $30
But thats just my opinion

I think you'd have a tough time getting that much in US dollars. I wouldn't put it at much higher than current retail.

Evan · « **Reply #10 on:** December 29, 2011, 09:01:20 AM »

I change my opinion to $20
After thinking about it, I'd spend around that price on it

Marcus · « **Reply #11 on:** December 29, 2011, 08:06:31 PM »

This was well before my time and I'm not a human (well, half human half cyborg) encyclopedia like Jake, so take it for what it is but I do believe that the deck in the pictures are in fact from the very first run. No barcode, and the fact that it says 'Black Deck Tigers' on the bottom of the box points towards this.

Siegismyname · « **Reply #12 on:** December 29, 2011, 09:52:08 PM »

Thx Marcus(u share the same name as my brother btw). At least I can lie to myself that I own some first edition deck from E just like the BG1E. And it is discontinued

how cool is that. A piece of playing card history.

Don Boyer · « **Reply #13 on:** December 30, 2011, 11:20:31 AM »

Hang on to it. A first print run deck like that will have value when the decks from all print runs are more scarce.

Reylek · « **Reply #14 on:** December 30, 2011, 11:44:55 AM »

That is an early deck, but it is not the very 1st edition. The first Tiger Decks (all white, the red version did not start until the 2nd ed, when they also introduced the UV) say "Poker 808" on the bottom flap. The "Poker 808-" indicates that it is a 2nd edition deck.

The red decks do not have the hyphen, because there was no "technically" first edition red-pipped.

Still an early one, but not from the very first printing.

Inside, I'm sure you have gaff cards instead of ad cards. The first several printings of Tigers (red and white) came with gaffs instead of ads, which was a nice bonus.

Siegismyname · « **Reply #15 on:** December 30, 2011, 09:28:13 PM »

Seriously? There are gaffs inside? Mine is still sealed so I do not know. This gets more exciting with every reply. I hope brad christian comes here and clarify.

Don Boyer · « **Reply #16 on:** December 31, 2011, 02:35:43 AM »

I wouldn't hold my breath on that - but you could try contacting E's customer service. You want good intel, you go to the source, right?

john · « **Reply #17 on:** December 31, 2011, 02:45:51 AM »

Watch this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUCGP4g1Cfc&feature=plcp&context=C348732dUAOEgsToPDskLRkJuP_Vtf7OgSDTYnP-WX

Skip to 5:15

Siegismyname · « **Reply #18 on:** January 02, 2012, 12:04:56 AM »

After watching the vid it seems like my deck would include the gaff card. Which would be awesome. Thx for the info.

Aaron · « **Reply #19 on:** January 02, 2012, 01:57:28 AM »

Tat is 100% certain that is is a 1st ed. the hypen indicates that and since it is wite pips.

Siegismyname · « **Reply #20 on:** January 02, 2012, 04:29:06 AM »

Quote from: Aaron on January 02, 2012, 01:57:28 AM

Tat is 100% certain that is is a 1st ed. the hypen indicates that and since it is wite pips.

sadly i think they are second edition.

but in the video they say that the 1st edition handles terribly. the hyphen indicates a second edition. first edition has only poker 808.

phantom1412 · « **Reply #21 on:** January 02, 2012, 04:31:52 AM »

Quote from: john on December 31, 2011, 02:45:51 AM

Watch this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUCGP4g1Cfc&feature=plcp&context=C348732dUAOEgsToPDskLRkJuP_Vtf7OgSDTYnP-WX

Skip to 5:15

OMG, I've got the 1st run of these!

shutupdangit · « **Reply #22 on:** January 02, 2012, 06:11:26 AM »

I have a couple of these decks (white and red pips) sitting around, all opened.

First: yes, the Air cushion makes the cards handle like crap.

Second: I don't think this was mentioned in the video, but there are two gaffs in the original Black Tigers, the white 3 of Clubs, as well as a "slanted" Ace of Spades. However, because I removed the gaff/ad cards when I got them (oh so long ago), I can't tell if each Tiger deck came with both gaffs or one or the other. As in, white pips has the white 3, red pips has the slanted Ace, etc....

phantom1412 · « **Reply #23 on:** January 02, 2012, 09:27:15 AM »

The white pips I got long time ago has white 3 of clubs.
The red pips I got recently has nothing but ad card.

shutupdangit · « **Reply #24 on:** January 02, 2012, 03:12:24 PM »

Hmm, so where did the other gaff come from?