Dance of Death

[SerKoN]

As for Kickstarter.  Yes, we plan to go there in late January.  As for the printing house, we are studying this issue and studying the conditions provided by various printing houses.  Everything will be clear on the results of fees at Kickstarter.  We live in Ukraine and these realities must also be taken into account when choosing a printing house.  For this I do not want to be loud now.  God forbid everything will work out and then an optimal decision will be made.

[SerKoN]

shirt layout

[SerKoN]

Good evening everyone! As we are at the final stage, the box layout is almost ready.

[SerKoN]

Good evening everyone. It was necessary to make a little more amendment on the label on the label.

[Don Boyer]

Thanks for the advice.  As for the edges, we thought about it.  And they came to the conclusion that having made the edges in our maps, we will lose something valuable just for these cards.  I agree with you about the scammers and those decks where this can be avoided.  Our case, I consider, is reasonably acceptable images to the brim.  Having considered the overall composition, I think you will agree with me.

Hmm...  Your English is a little difficult to understand.  But no, I don't agree that it's better for the composition to have the design bleed from the faces out past the card edge.  It just makes the deck less functional and of less interest to the card player as a result.  (Or, if you look at the other side of the coin, easier to cheat with.)  It need not be a thick border - just a fine border to keep the card face edges UNIFORM, so that every single card looks identical when they're stacked together.  The way you have some of the artwork, it looks like it already has a fine border on some of the faces, at least on some if not all of the edges.

In the end, the choice is yours - I'm just pointing out a potential design flaw.  You don't necessarily have to conform to all design rules when making something creative like this, but if you're going to break a rule, it's usually good to have a good reason for it, something underlying why you did it that makes the breaking of the rule more important than conforming to it.  You're attempting to make a functional item, but removing one of the key functions, which I see as akin to making a car but leaving out something critical, like the windshield or the brakes or two of the four wheels.

Show people why the desire to print into the bleed trumps the need for function and hopefully for you, you'll find your audience for the deck - for example, if you're really selling it more as a work of art rather than as a functional pack of cards.  In that case, you might consider selling more uncut sheets, arranging the cards on the sheet to conform to your artistic plan.  But if you really want to deck to work as a deck that people want to play with, avoid breaking key rules of playing card design.

[SerKoN]

Thank you, I still take this into account and make a small edge on the cards. About the English. I'm from Ukraine. I do not speak English, I use Google as a translator.

[SerKoN]

Thanks for the advice.  As for the edges, we thought about it.  And they came to the conclusion that having made the edges in our maps, we will lose something valuable just for these cards.  I agree with you about the scammers and those decks where this can be avoided.  Our case, I consider, is reasonably acceptable images to the brim.  Having considered the overall composition, I think you will agree with me.

Hmm...  Your English is a little difficult to understand.  But no, I don't agree that it's better for the composition to have the design bleed from the faces out past the card edge.  It just makes the deck less functional and of less interest to the card player as a result.  (Or, if you look at the other side of the coin, easier to cheat with.)  It need not be a thick border - just a fine border to keep the card face edges UNIFORM, so that every single card looks identical when they're stacked together.  The way you have some of the artwork, it looks like it already has a fine border on some of the faces, at least on some if not all of the edges.

In the end, the choice is yours - I'm just pointing out a potential design flaw.  You don't necessarily have to conform to all design rules when making something creative like this, but if you're going to break a rule, it's usually good to have a good reason for it, something underlying why you did it that makes the breaking of the rule more important than conforming to it.  You're attempting to make a functional item, but removing one of the key functions, which I see as akin to making a car but leaving out something critical, like the windshield or the brakes or two of the four wheels.

Show people why the desire to print into the bleed trumps the need for function and hopefully for you, you'll find your audience for the deck - for example, if you're really selling it more as a work of art rather than as a functional pack of cards.  In that case, you might consider selling more uncut sheets, arranging the cards on the sheet to conform to your artistic plan.  But if you really want to deck to work as a deck that people want to play with, avoid breaking key rules of playing card design.

Technically, it is possible to add 2mm along the edge of the map image. It is necessary to study this issue in detail so that it looks good and preserve the functionality of the cards. And for the director's sheet, then take the standard as a whole picture. Is that to try this way.

[SerKoN]

If you stick to your advice, you get something like this.

[SerKoN]

Here is another option. In general, at this stage it is not difficult to do.

[Don Boyer]

Trust me, I know about Ukraine.  My second wife was born in Ukraine and is a native Russian speaker.

The narrow border is enough to keep the edges of the faces completely uniform, thus making the cards indistinguishable from each other in a deck stack.  But you need to check with your manufacturer to insure that they can deal with a border that narrow, in terms of registration (making the back printing and the face printing match up as closely as possible) and making sufficiently accurate die cuts.  Some companies can do it, some find it a bit more of a challenge.

[DahkovSergey]

Trust me, I know about Ukraine.  My second wife was born in Ukraine and is a native Russian speaker.

The narrow border is enough to keep the edges of the faces completely uniform, thus making the cards indistinguishable from each other in a deck stack.  But you need to check with your manufacturer to insure that they can deal with a border that narrow, in terms of registration (making the back printing and the face printing match up as closely as possible) and making sufficiently accurate die cuts.  Some companies can do it, some find it a bit more of a challenge.

In general, the problem can be solved. Leaving a small edging in 2-3 mm

[SerKoN]

Trust me, I know about Ukraine.  My second wife was born in Ukraine and is a native Russian speaker.

The narrow border is enough to keep the edges of the faces completely uniform, thus making the cards indistinguishable from each other in a deck stack.  But you need to check with your manufacturer to insure that they can deal with a border that narrow, in terms of registration (making the back printing and the face printing match up as closely as possible) and making sufficiently accurate die cuts.  Some companies can do it, some find it a bit more of a challenge.

In general, the problem can be solved. Leaving a small edging in 2-3 mm

Thank you for the Russian)) We are negotiating with the Lviv printing house NPCC. With Roman. He says that the deviation of the knife is possible up to 0.5 mm. Therefore, we decided to make a 2.5 mm edging. What will make it average between 2 and 3 mm

[DahkovSergey]

How are things with edging?

[SerKoN]

Nevertheless, they decided to listen to the opinion of such authors as Don Boyer, on other resources they also recommended leaving Kant 2 mm.  So they decided to make a small edging.  Moreover, it becomes normal there, so to speak.

[SerKoN]

Thanks for the advice.  As for the edges, we thought about it.  And they came to the conclusion that having made the edges in our maps, we will lose something valuable just for these cards.  I agree with you about the scammers and those decks where this can be avoided.  Our case, I consider, is reasonably acceptable images to the brim.  Having considered the overall composition, I think you will agree with me.

Hmm...  Your English is a little difficult to understand.  But no, I don't agree that it's better for the composition to have the design bleed from the faces out past the card edge.  It just makes the deck less functional and of less interest to the card player as a result.  (Or, if you look at the other side of the coin, easier to cheat with.)  It need not be a thick border - just a fine border to keep the card face edges UNIFORM, so that every single card looks identical when they're stacked together.  The way you have some of the artwork, it looks like it already has a fine border on some of the faces, at least on some if not all of the edges.

In the end, the choice is yours - I'm just pointing out a potential design flaw.  You don't necessarily have to conform to all design rules when making something creative like this, but if you're going to break a rule, it's usually good to have a good reason for it, something underlying why you did it that makes the breaking of the rule more important than conforming to it.  You're attempting to make a functional item, but removing one of the key functions, which I see as akin to making a car but leaving out something critical, like the windshield or the brakes or two of the four wheels.

Show people why the desire to print into the bleed trumps the need for function and hopefully for you, you'll find your audience for the deck - for example, if you're really selling it more as a work of art rather than as a functional pack of cards.  In that case, you might consider selling more uncut sheets, arranging the cards on the sheet to conform to your artistic plan.  But if you really want to deck to work as a deck that people want to play with, avoid breaking key rules of playing card design.

that's what we do.  This is a layout for the director's list.

[SerKoN]

Good day to all forum users. Finishing registration photos for the project. I plan on Wednesday 13.02. Run. Owing to changes in life and different searches of options where to make the printing of playing cards. Decided to type on NPCC. Working with Roman. Perhaps this is someone rastroit. But there are realities of life. I am from Ukraine and this must be taken into account.

[SerKoN]

For those who like uncut sheet.  I tried to take into account all the peculiarities of my project.  Pointing out that this is the first sheet, on the uncut sheet.

[SerKoN]

I will launch the project on Kickstarter, today 02.13. at 12:00 pm New York. Link to the project: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/968290855/playing-cards-dance-of-death?ref=20jwaf

[SerKoN]

Thanks for the advice.  As for the edges, we thought about it.  And they came to the conclusion that having made the edges in our maps, we will lose something valuable just for these cards.  I agree with you about the scammers and those decks where this can be avoided.  Our case, I consider, is reasonably acceptable images to the brim.  Having considered the overall composition, I think you will agree with me.

Hmm...  Your English is a little difficult to understand.  But no, I don't agree that it's better for the composition to have the design bleed from the faces out past the card edge.  It just makes the deck less functional and of less interest to the card player as a result.  (Or, if you look at the other side of the coin, easier to cheat with.)  It need not be a thick border - just a fine border to keep the card face edges UNIFORM, so that every single card looks identical when they're stacked together.  The way you have some of the artwork, it looks like it already has a fine border on some of the faces, at least on some if not all of the edges.

In the end, the choice is yours - I'm just pointing out a potential design flaw.  You don't necessarily have to conform to all design rules when making something creative like this, but if you're going to break a rule, it's usually good to have a good reason for it, something underlying why you did it that makes the breaking of the rule more important than conforming to it.  You're attempting to make a functional item, but removing one of the key functions, which I see as akin to making a car but leaving out something critical, like the windshield or the brakes or two of the four wheels.

Show people why the desire to print into the bleed trumps the need for function and hopefully for you, you'll find your audience for the deck - for example, if you're really selling it more as a work of art rather than as a functional pack of cards.  In that case, you might consider selling more uncut sheets, arranging the cards on the sheet to conform to your artistic plan.  But if you really want to deck to work as a deck that people want to play with, avoid breaking key rules of playing card design.

Thank you for influencing my decision to make KANT cards too !!

[Don Boyer]

Thanks for the advice.  As for the edges, we thought about it.  And they came to the conclusion that having made the edges in our maps, we will lose something valuable just for these cards.  I agree with you about the scammers and those decks where this can be avoided.  Our case, I consider, is reasonably acceptable images to the brim.  Having considered the overall composition, I think you will agree with me.

Hmm...  Your English is a little difficult to understand.  But no, I don't agree that it's better for the composition to have the design bleed from the faces out past the card edge.  It just makes the deck less functional and of less interest to the card player as a result.  (Or, if you look at the other side of the coin, easier to cheat with.)  It need not be a thick border - just a fine border to keep the card face edges UNIFORM, so that every single card looks identical when they're stacked together.  The way you have some of the artwork, it looks like it already has a fine border on some of the faces, at least on some if not all of the edges.

In the end, the choice is yours - I'm just pointing out a potential design flaw.  You don't necessarily have to conform to all design rules when making something creative like this, but if you're going to break a rule, it's usually good to have a good reason for it, something underlying why you did it that makes the breaking of the rule more important than conforming to it.  You're attempting to make a functional item, but removing one of the key functions, which I see as akin to making a car but leaving out something critical, like the windshield or the brakes or two of the four wheels.

Show people why the desire to print into the bleed trumps the need for function and hopefully for you, you'll find your audience for the deck - for example, if you're really selling it more as a work of art rather than as a functional pack of cards.  In that case, you might consider selling more uncut sheets, arranging the cards on the sheet to conform to your artistic plan.  But if you really want to deck to work as a deck that people want to play with, avoid breaking key rules of playing card design.

Thank you for influencing my decision to make KANT cards too !!

I'm glad to see that you realized what I was attempting to point out!  I actually shot a video on YouTube demonstrating with a deck that has a similar design flaw how easy it was for me to identify certain cards from looking at the deck's edge.  In fact, because the deck was also cut slightly off-angle, I was also able to reverse a card in the deck and spot it after shuffling!

[SerKoN]

Thanks for the advice.  As for the edges, we thought about it.  And they came to the conclusion that having made the edges in our maps, we will lose something valuable just for these cards.  I agree with you about the scammers and those decks where this can be avoided.  Our case, I consider, is reasonably acceptable images to the brim.  Having considered the overall composition, I think you will agree with me.

Hmm...  Your English is a little difficult to understand.  But no, I don't agree that it's better for the composition to have the design bleed from the faces out past the card edge.  It just makes the deck less functional and of less interest to the card player as a result.  (Or, if you look at the other side of the coin, easier to cheat with.)  It need not be a thick border - just a fine border to keep the card face edges UNIFORM, so that every single card looks identical when they're stacked together.  The way you have some of the artwork, it looks like it already has a fine border on some of the faces, at least on some if not all of the edges.

In the end, the choice is yours - I'm just pointing out a potential design flaw.  You don't necessarily have to conform to all design rules when making something creative like this, but if you're going to break a rule, it's usually good to have a good reason for it, something underlying why you did it that makes the breaking of the rule more important than conforming to it.  You're attempting to make a functional item, but removing one of the key functions, which I see as akin to making a car but leaving out something critical, like the windshield or the brakes or two of the four wheels.

Show people why the desire to print into the bleed trumps the need for function and hopefully for you, you'll find your audience for the deck - for example, if you're really selling it more as a work of art rather than as a functional pack of cards.  In that case, you might consider selling more uncut sheets, arranging the cards on the sheet to conform to your artistic plan.  But if you really want to deck to work as a deck that people want to play with, avoid breaking key rules of playing card design.

Thank you for influencing my decision to make KANT cards too !!

I'm glad to see that you realized what I was attempting to point out!  I actually shot a video on YouTube demonstrating with a deck that has a similar design flaw how easy it was for me to identify certain cards from looking at the deck's edge.  In fact, because the deck was also cut slightly off-angle, I was also able to reverse a card in the deck and spot it after shuffling!

Thanks again, now I am studying an important second question. Where to print. I planned for NPСC, but I see that not everyone is ready to support the project if I print there. I am advised by Kartamundi. I wrote to them and am waiting for an answer.

[Don Boyer]

Thanks for the advice.  As for the edges, we thought about it.  And they came to the conclusion that having made the edges in our maps, we will lose something valuable just for these cards.  I agree with you about the scammers and those decks where this can be avoided.  Our case, I consider, is reasonably acceptable images to the brim.  Having considered the overall composition, I think you will agree with me.

Hmm...  Your English is a little difficult to understand.  But no, I don't agree that it's better for the composition to have the design bleed from the faces out past the card edge.  It just makes the deck less functional and of less interest to the card player as a result.  (Or, if you look at the other side of the coin, easier to cheat with.)  It need not be a thick border - just a fine border to keep the card face edges UNIFORM, so that every single card looks identical when they're stacked together.  The way you have some of the artwork, it looks like it already has a fine border on some of the faces, at least on some if not all of the edges.

In the end, the choice is yours - I'm just pointing out a potential design flaw.  You don't necessarily have to conform to all design rules when making something creative like this, but if you're going to break a rule, it's usually good to have a good reason for it, something underlying why you did it that makes the breaking of the rule more important than conforming to it.  You're attempting to make a functional item, but removing one of the key functions, which I see as akin to making a car but leaving out something critical, like the windshield or the brakes or two of the four wheels.

Show people why the desire to print into the bleed trumps the need for function and hopefully for you, you'll find your audience for the deck - for example, if you're really selling it more as a work of art rather than as a functional pack of cards.  In that case, you might consider selling more uncut sheets, arranging the cards on the sheet to conform to your artistic plan.  But if you really want to deck to work as a deck that people want to play with, avoid breaking key rules of playing card design.

Thank you for influencing my decision to make KANT cards too !!

I'm glad to see that you realized what I was attempting to point out!  I actually shot a video on YouTube demonstrating with a deck that has a similar design flaw how easy it was for me to identify certain cards from looking at the deck's edge.  In fact, because the deck was also cut slightly off-angle, I was also able to reverse a card in the deck and spot it after shuffling!

Thanks again, now I am studying an important second question. Where to print. I planned for NPСC, but I see that not everyone is ready to support the project if I print there. I am advised by Kartamundi. I wrote to them and am waiting for an answer.

It’s been my experience that NPCC’s quality leaves something to be desired.

Try these:
Cartamundi
U S Playing Card Co (USPC)
Expert Playing Card Co (EPCC)
Legends Playing Card Co (LPCC)
Hanson Chien Playing Card Co
MakePlayingCards.com (MPC)

All are of at least decent quality, and MPC has a very low print run minimum because of their digital printing process.


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[SerKoN]

Thanks for the recommendations.

[SerKoN]

Thanks for the advice.  As for the edges, we thought about it.  And they came to the conclusion that having made the edges in our maps, we will lose something valuable just for these cards.  I agree with you about the scammers and those decks where this can be avoided.  Our case, I consider, is reasonably acceptable images to the brim.  Having considered the overall composition, I think you will agree with me.

Hmm...  Your English is a little difficult to understand.  But no, I don't agree that it's better for the composition to have the design bleed from the faces out past the card edge.  It just makes the deck less functional and of less interest to the card player as a result.  (Or, if you look at the other side of the coin, easier to cheat with.)  It need not be a thick border - just a fine border to keep the card face edges UNIFORM, so that every single card looks identical when they're stacked together.  The way you have some of the artwork, it looks like it already has a fine border on some of the faces, at least on some if not all of the edges.

In the end, the choice is yours - I'm just pointing out a potential design flaw.  You don't necessarily have to conform to all design rules when making something creative like this, but if you're going to break a rule, it's usually good to have a good reason for it, something underlying why you did it that makes the breaking of the rule more important than conforming to it.  You're attempting to make a functional item, but removing one of the key functions, which I see as akin to making a car but leaving out something critical, like the windshield or the brakes or two of the four wheels.

Show people why the desire to print into the bleed trumps the need for function and hopefully for you, you'll find your audience for the deck - for example, if you're really selling it more as a work of art rather than as a functional pack of cards.  In that case, you might consider selling more uncut sheets, arranging the cards on the sheet to conform to your artistic plan.  But if you really want to deck to work as a deck that people want to play with, avoid breaking key rules of playing card design.

Thank you for influencing my decision to make KANT cards too !!

I'm glad to see that you realized what I was attempting to point out!  I actually shot a video on YouTube demonstrating with a deck that has a similar design flaw how easy it was for me to identify certain cards from looking at the deck's edge.  In fact, because the deck was also cut slightly off-angle, I was also able to reverse a card in the deck and spot it after shuffling!

Thanks again, now I am studying an important second question. Where to print. I planned for NPСC, but I see that not everyone is ready to support the project if I print there. I am advised by Kartamundi. I wrote to them and am waiting for an answer.

It’s been my experience that NPCC’s quality leaves something to be desired.

Try these:
Cartamundi
U S Playing Card Co (USPC)
Expert Playing Card Co (EPCC)
Legends Playing Card Co (LPCC)
Hanson Chien Playing Card Co
MakePlayingCards.com (MPC)

All are of at least decent quality, and MPC has a very low print run minimum because of their digital printing process.


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Don Boyer. Thanks again for the tips.  Solved the issue of printing with Cartamundi offered FSC Casino Classic 300 Matt.  According to reviews on the project, supporters consider this a good choice.  https://goo.gl/RxackE

[SerKoN]

Thanks a lot to all my supporters !!!  Thanks to you, the project has acquired the right to exist !!!
 https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/968290855/playing-cards-dance-of-death?ref=dhds9v