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USPCC CODE 1898"A"
« on: March 27, 2022, 01:32:58 PM »
 

touya

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How are you?

my name is Touya Yabuhashi, a Playing Cards researcher living in Japan.


In the USPCC CODE, I found the code of "A" which corresponds to 1898, which has been considered to be nonexistent for a long time, so I contacted you.

 "GAME OF ARTISTS Playing Cards"(1897~1900)
The code for this PlayingCards is "A".
This brand was produced for only a few years. The image deck is therefore considered to be a proof produced in 1898.

Could you check this, please?
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Fireside Game Company (fl. 1895 -1900) of Cincinnati, Ohio was active from 1895 to 1900. During this period it issued 31 different card games, each numerically identified starting with, Strange People, game number 1100. With regard to our cartographic interests only game no. 1110, Population features maps. The organization appears to have been a subsidiary of the United States Playing Card Company intended to promote 'Educational Games.' After 1900 or so the company was renamed The Cincinnati Game Company.
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« Reply #1 on: March 28, 2022, 12:08:26 PM »
 

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While USPCC did start using date codes around that time on their playing card decks, I do not know if the same numbering system carried over into the Fireside Game line of products.
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Re: USPCC CODE 1898"A"
« Reply #2 on: March 29, 2022, 10:42:40 AM »
 

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USPC didn?t start using the letter codes on Aces of Spades until 1904.

https://www.leeasher.com/blog/how-to-date-a-deck-of-playing-cards.php

This chart, while largely accurate, does have exceptions.  Furthermore, they only use the letter codes on their own brands of standard decks - not for decks made by commission for another company and not decks other than International Standard, with possible exceptions being their special decks for 6-handed bridge, euchre, etc. - non-standard decks that either entirely or mostly use standard playing card faces.

I moved the topic to the Conversation Parlor.  We reserve the other card-related forums for International Standard decks rather than ones for specialized games like this.  At some point, perhaps I should break out a new board for non-standard game decks - but we?ll see if there?s enough traffic to warrant it first.
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« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2022, 11:32:44 AM »
 

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Don, Chuqii

Thank you for moving the topic.
I didn't know where to post.

For more information on The Fireside Game Co. series, see Rex Pitts' article.

https://www.wopc.co.uk/explore/manufacturer/fireside-game-co/

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« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2022, 11:33:41 AM »
 

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preamble
I think things start with exceptions.

New discoveries and inventions are seen as "eccentric" because they are outside the realm of common sense.
That can't be helped, so I don't care.
 

Re: USPCC CODE 1898"A"
« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2022, 11:36:14 AM »
 

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This is the dating code published by IPCC.
There is no "V" in the USPCC code.
The IPCC likely adopted its own rules.

Nevertheless, IPCC, an affiliate of the USPCC, used the dating code "V" as an exception in accordance with USPCC rules.
The fact that V existed gave me a lot of emotions.
 

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« Reply #6 on: March 30, 2022, 11:37:14 AM »
 

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When I saw this, I thought, 'The beginning code A might start with an exceptional deck.'.

After that, I decided to leave Bee and BICYCLE brand and look for it from a different perspective.

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« Reply #7 on: March 30, 2022, 11:40:16 AM »
 

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"GAME OF ARTISTS Playing Cards"
1899 CODE"B"
 

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« Reply #8 on: March 30, 2022, 11:42:36 AM »
 

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'Fireside Bible Game' (No.1124)
published by The Fireside Game Co., Cincinnati, USA, 1899.
CODE"B"

(Images courtesy World of Playing Cards - www.wopc.co.uk)
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« Reply #9 on: March 30, 2022, 11:45:05 AM »
 

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First,

The problem we have when determining the dating code is that there is no alphabet (only numbers).
or if both the ace and joker of a spade have chords.

There is no Joker in this brand series. Instead, there is the Crown Card.


However, some decks in this brand do not have a Joker card (crown card) due to the nature of the game.

This forces the code to be written on the ace of spades.

It seems that nearly half of the 31 types do not have a crown card, so when looking for a dating code, you only need to look at the ace of spades.
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« Reply #10 on: March 30, 2022, 11:54:04 AM »
 

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Fireside Game Company changed its name to Cincinnati Game Company from 1900 to 1901, but the series seems to have survived and been in production.

I can see the USPCC code on the ace of spades on this deck, but it is "N", so I guess it was made in 1910.
 

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« Reply #11 on: March 30, 2022, 11:59:59 AM »
 

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For Europe

Renewed version Made in 1923

CODE"E"
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« Reply #12 on: March 30, 2022, 12:04:13 PM »
 

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In a deck made by'Fireside Game Company'
I couldn't find the code on the deck before 1898.

As will be described later, I think that this is definitely a Dating Code because the continuity and regularity can be confirmed firmly.



'Nationalities' card game published by the Fireside Game Co., Cincinnati, Ohio, c.1897.

'Chestnut Burrs' card game published by the Fireside Game Co., Cincinnati, Ohio, c.1896.


Images from World of Playing Cards,
Quotes from past ebay etc.
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« Reply #13 on: March 30, 2022, 12:05:11 PM »
 

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What is printed on this brand is clearly a dating code. Fireside Game Company is only a part of the USPCC, which is essentially the USPCC itself.

Here's how it was founded.

https://www.wopc.co.uk/games/nationalities


EDUCATIONAL GAME SERIES was created for the purpose of educating children about the customs, race, and actual situation at that time.

Drawing the reality in detail could be criticized.

USPCC has a history of establishing a dummy company as a countermeasure against them.
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« Reply #14 on: March 30, 2022, 12:06:44 PM »
 

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Please check it out and make a decision.
You can find aces with dating codes by searching the net.

However,
Apart from these, I think you should continue to look for the code "A" in the bicycle brand.
 

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« Reply #15 on: March 30, 2022, 12:20:29 PM »
 

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Who and how did you prove that only your branded standard deck has a dating code?

Unlike in the past, we are in an age where we can share information with people all over the world via the Internet. You can learn important information that many people have been putting to sleep.


What I can do is "report what  actually discover" to you, the world's top USPCC researchers.
That's all.
 

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« Reply #16 on: April 03, 2022, 03:06:26 PM »
 

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supplement

The current dating code has been elucidated and published until 1899.
as a matter of fact,
The date of manufacture was also mentioned on the deck before 1898, before the company name changed.


Even after it was written on the card, at the beginning it was only a one-digit or two-digit number, not a CODE with an alphabet.

However, we believe that we changed to USPCC CODE because the number of production increased due to the expansion of the factory and the acquisition of other Playing Cards companies.


So the 'dating code' started right after the USPCC was founded.
It has been a 'USPCC rule' since its foundation.

And that's something that a lot of people, if a collector or a researcher, have noticed.
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« Reply #17 on: April 03, 2022, 03:35:50 PM »
 

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TIGERS No.101 , 1st edition of famous Bicycle Playing Cards printed by Russell & Morgan Printing Co., Cincinnati, 1885.
Etc.
Copyright notice for the period of establishment.

Images from World of Playing Cards - www.wopc.co.uk - used with permission.
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« Reply #18 on: April 03, 2022, 03:46:48 PM »
 

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However, the initial dating code had some uncertainties such as the USPCC company name, TAX STAMP, and index design, and it was not possible to conclude that it was completely correct.

And I thought it was because I was paying attention only to the standard deck.

That's why I changed my perspective.

in order to fully identify the code.

At the beginning, the code was printed on the joker. See image

The image is USPCC CODE "A" decks.

(Images courtesy World of Playing Cards - www.wopc.co.uk)
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« Reply #19 on: April 03, 2022, 04:12:10 PM »
 

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Most of the EDUCATIONAL GAME SERIES are 52 Playing Cards and can be treated as Standard Deck.

And these are poker size.

And while it was a teaching material for children, it was sold as a luxury item.

I studied while observing these rules.
 

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« Reply #20 on: April 03, 2022, 04:23:01 PM »
 

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EDUCATIONAL GAME SERIES was produced under three company names: Fireside Game Company, Cincinnati Game Company, U.S. Playing Cards Company.

There are small reasons why I looked at this brand to identify the USPCC CODE "A".

That is the difference in the color of the ink.
I think that EDUCATIONAL GAME SERIES was manufactured until the latter half of the 1920s, but the color of the print changes between the first edition, the second edition, and the third edition.
 

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« Reply #21 on: April 03, 2022, 04:26:54 PM »
 

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People who collect antique decks have always been annoyed by the replacement of the box with the contents or by the replacement of only a few decks.

If there is a replacement, I don't know the date of manufacture.

However, it turned out that the age of this brand can be determined because the specifications of this brand have been renewed each time the company name is changed.

Also, you can see that the USPCC CODE is printed according to the age as shown in the image.
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« Reply #22 on: April 03, 2022, 04:43:43 PM »
 

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as a result,
The USPCC's establishment of a dummy company between 1895 and 1900 was, for me, the savior of'for CODE  studies'.

If the dating code printed on the EDICATIONAL GAME SERIES proves to be correct, I think it will be possible to identify other decks that were previously unclear.

(Of course not all.)

I'm pretty sure the USPCC CODE didn't start in 1904'G', as indicated by'Hochman Code', but in 1898'A'.

With this, I feel that all the Dating code problems that started with'TIGER No.101' and were interrupted have been resolved.
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« Reply #23 on: April 03, 2022, 04:55:57 PM »
 

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However, there are still problems with CODE.

The problem that there is a CODE only for numbers or a CODE for both joker and ace.
We have to clarify things that are unclear, such as images.

The report on the USPCC CODE "A" produced in 1898 is over.


The images posted here are carefully selected for this research.
Posting all the images is so huge that if you have any questions please search the internet or ask me.

We would like to express our sincere gratitude to Mr. Simon of WOPC and other related parties for their cooperation in providing the images.


I would be grateful if you could scrutinize it.

Touya
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« Reply #24 on: April 07, 2022, 10:59:44 AM »
 

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Thank you for sharing your research.
Check out my decks for sale on eBay, and contact me directly for discounts. https://www.ebay.com/sch/clahobo/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_ipg=&_from=
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