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How to really get into performing for people?
« on: January 17, 2012, 01:37:32 AM »
 

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Hey guys,
I have been doing magic for about a year and a half now and have learned some cool stuff and I practice almost everyday, although I dont perform for people very often, at school I dont tend to perform because me and most of my friends are pretty much the class clowns and they would just try to mess them up. I get nervous when I perform for people also because I am scared that they will think I am no good. Do you guys have any advice for getting over these fears and start performing for people more?
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Re: How to really get into performing for people?
« Reply #1 on: January 17, 2012, 03:00:50 AM »
 

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Simple.  Just do it.  Get out there, play with a deck of cards in your hands.  I've had occasions when I was commuting by subway, did just that, started practicing faros, Erdnase exchanges and double-lifts.  If I caught the eye of the person sitting next to me, I fanned out the deck and held it before them - don't even ask, just put it out there; they're less inclined to say no that way.  Pull out a nice three-trick routine, and bid them a fond farewell when your stop comes up.  If you catch other people watching, you can switch spectators to work with while you go at it.

What's the worst thing that can happen if you fail in front of a bunch of strangers?  Not much - they're strangers, they don't care...

Just don't perform a trick you haven't got down cold, with a good deal of practice under your belt.  And remember to have some good patter - tricks without patter tend to be a little dry.

You want pressure?  Two weeks ago, I was asked by David Blaine to perform a trick for his personal assistants, while he and his creative team were watching.  Getting up to go where they were was a little hairy, but once I had the deck and started the trick, I just fell into the rhythm of it.  It was a trick I'd done a zillion times before for the kids at the hospital where I volunteer - I could almost do it blindfolded I'd done it so much.  Thus, the trick came out fine and I got a few compliments on the performance.

Magic itself can relieve tension rather than create it.  It gives you a chance to interact with someone in a way they're not normally interacted with, and it helps them let their guard down.  I performed a few tricks for a woman who I went on an Internet date with for the first time, back in July.  The date was a big success.  We're engaged now, aiming for a September 1st wedding in Fort Lauderdale!
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Re: How to really get into performing for people?
« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2012, 06:00:27 AM »
 

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hi 5 aaron we are the same .. after i learn card trick and want to 'show off' to other and my only option is my friend but they are class crown and they will defintely fool around when i am being serious at performing so i cant really perform to them and i try to perform for my family but my brother just wont sit there and watch me perform and i try to perform for my mom and she will always say dun perform for me go and ask other .. who should i perform to ??
 

Re: How to really get into performing for people?
« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2012, 07:46:06 PM »
 

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hi 5 aaron we are the same .. after i learn card trick and want to 'show off' to other and my only option is my friend but they are class crown and they will defintely fool around when i am being serious at performing so i cant really perform to them and i try to perform for my family but my brother just wont sit there and watch me perform and i try to perform for my mom and she will always say dun perform for me go and ask other .. who should i perform to ??


Do the EXACT SAME THING I suggested for Aaron.  If a subway doesn't work for you, go to a park, a shopping mall food court, a line of people waiting to see a movie or a concert - anywhere you'll find strangers who are engaging in leisure activities and in the mood to be entertained.
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Re: How to really get into performing for people?
« Reply #4 on: January 19, 2012, 02:59:04 PM »
 

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Something that will actually help you with performing.  Put the deck away.  It's a safety net.  I know all too well how easy it is to fall into relying on a deck of cards to start a conversation.  Strike up a conversation with a complete stranger, it doesn't even matter if your side of the conversation is pre-rehearsed, better if it's impromptu though. 


Just walk up to someone who you want to do magic for, doesn't matter if they are older or younger than you, I promise, people of all ages enjoy magic.  Introduce yourself, ask them about their day or something, most people will be caught off guard, but are genuinely friendly and willing to respond.  After a minute or two, reach for the deck and say something like "So the reason I came over here... I want to show you something wild.  Check this out, take a card." 


I do this often with great success, it's also an awesome way to meet new people, when your conversation did not begin around the magic, it often doesn't end when the magic stops either. 
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Re: How to really get into performing for people?
« Reply #5 on: January 19, 2012, 07:04:13 PM »
 

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Something that will actually help you with performing.  Put the deck away.  It's a safety net.  I know all too well how easy it is to fall into relying on a deck of cards to start a conversation.  Strike up a conversation with a complete stranger, it doesn't even matter if your side of the conversation is pre-rehearsed, better if it's impromptu though. 


Just walk up to someone who you want to do magic for, doesn't matter if they are older or younger than you, I promise, people of all ages enjoy magic.  Introduce yourself, ask them about their day or something, most people will be caught off guard, but are genuinely friendly and willing to respond.  After a minute or two, reach for the deck and say something like "So the reason I came over here... I want to show you something wild.  Check this out, take a card." 


I do this often with great success, it's also an awesome way to meet new people, when your conversation did not begin around the magic, it often doesn't end when the magic stops either.


I like that style of approach, though it can take some courage to just walk up to someone like that - bearing in mind I'm from New York, where people can have pretty negative reactions to strangers sometimes.  In regions with more of a "friendly" reputation, you'll stand better chances of that approach not being met with hostility.
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Re: How to really get into performing for people?
« Reply #6 on: January 19, 2012, 08:36:05 PM »
 

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Perform more. Simple as that.


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Re: How to really get into performing for people?
« Reply #7 on: January 20, 2012, 01:59:53 AM »
 

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I didn't start performing until 9th grade  and I started magic in like 6th grade. I was always unsure of myself and didn't have the confidence to perform for people that weren't my family. But over time, I grew
 

Re: How to really get into performing for people?
« Reply #8 on: January 20, 2012, 09:14:05 AM »
 

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i want to perform for my friend and see what is the reponse you can get from a real spectator .. all the while i have being performing to the mirror .. recently i try performing a trick and the trick involve top palm i did the top palm pretty well everything went smooth but after palming the card i accidentally flash the card that i have in my hand ..
 

Re: How to really get into performing for people?
« Reply #9 on: January 20, 2012, 04:37:06 PM »
 

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i want to perform for my friend and see what is the reponse you can get from a real spectator .. all the while i have being performing to the mirror .. recently i try performing a trick and the trick involve top palm i did the top palm pretty well everything went smooth but after palming the card i accidentally flash the card that i have in my hand ..


...which is exactly why you practice.  Don't get too dependent on the mirror - eventually try it in front of a video camera, acting as if the camera is your spectator.  You never get to see your own performance in real time when you're "out in the field" so it's a better way to practice once you have the handiwork down.
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Re: How to really get into performing for people?
« Reply #10 on: January 21, 2012, 10:54:17 AM »
 

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so you mean i treat camera as my spectator and after finish performing i watch the video and see if i have make any mistakes?
 

Re: How to really get into performing for people?
« Reply #11 on: January 22, 2012, 02:02:22 AM »
 

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so you mean i treat camera as my spectator and after finish performing i watch the video and see if i have make any mistakes?

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Re: How to really get into performing for people?
« Reply #12 on: January 24, 2012, 07:30:26 PM »
 

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Yeah I went through that too. Truth be told, I was like that the entire 1 year when I started doing magic tricks. My hands used to noticeably shake due to nervousness whenever I do magic tricks. It happened so much that they actually named it after me. Like when someone else's hand shakes during a performance, they say "Hey, he's doing a kensei!". Sigh....


Having a kind magician friend always helps. My recommendation is to join one of the many magician groups that I'm sure you have in your area. I personally like to do my part specially when friends ask for my help. They do a trick/routine for me and I point out all the flashes/awkward handlings he/she may have done then offer better ways to do it. I'd like to believe that flourishing helped me out because I think it helped me a lot in looking good while performing but that's just my opinion.


But it all boils down to what everyone else says. I dont mean to be so repetitive but practice is always essential.
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Re: How to really get into performing for people?
« Reply #13 on: November 14, 2012, 01:20:45 AM »
 

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My best advice is to keep calm and understand, they don't know what you plan to do. So you are in charge. A buddy of mine gets hyper when he performs the one trick I have taught him so far and I just say to breath, and have fun.
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Re: How to really get into performing for people?
« Reply #14 on: November 14, 2012, 02:04:04 AM »
 

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A great way to perform is to have people ask for it. And, for the most part, it's not as hard as it sounds. My approach (about  dozen years ago) was to start performing one trick all day on Friday. Basically, I would approach friends and people at work and simply say, "Hey gang, I'm starting a new thing where I perform a single magic trick, only one, on Fridays. Do you want to see it?" After a month, everyone I knew was reminding me on Thursdays to be ready for tomorrow because they couldn't wait to see Magic Friday. And I still perform Magic Friday to this day!
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Re: How to really get into performing for people?
« Reply #15 on: January 03, 2013, 05:44:19 AM »
 

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My first post here but I'm hoping my advice will help,
In school people will only ask to see tricks because they see it as a low down, we can make him do what we want sort of thing, trust me. Usually I perform in the city closest to where I live, in the UK people are quite happy to just see a few tricks and move along.
Your best bet is to walk up to them with the cards out but in your hand by your side so it's not the main thing driving you to start this, introduce yourself and familiarize yourself with the group, spend a minute chatting before saying you wanted to perform something and then proceed with a set of tricks, if you talk with them beforehand you can analyse which spectator would be best for what trick
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Re: How to really get into performing for people?
« Reply #16 on: January 03, 2013, 05:17:26 PM »
 

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Performing for strangers is much easier than for people you know.

One thing to remember: Fucking angles.

It's all about the angles, man. Learn with 150% certainty how your trick works. I don't like performing for this reason, as I always feel like someone who I don't notice behind me or to my side will see what I did and call me out on it.

Remember that anyone that ruins your trick, or tries to, doesn't get the point of magic, and is an assturd. I love using this line, in all instances of people guessing how you did something: "I'm not here to tell you you're wrong, but you should believe whatever makes you happy."

Blaster also has some really excellent advice about approaching people.

Let me put it this way, even as a very amateur magician, if someone walks up to me on the street (and it happens often in Vegas, at least it has to me) and they say "I want to show you a trick" my first reaction is "no."

1. Odds are this guy is very bad at magic, because he seems desperate to show you something, indicative of someone who just learned a new effect.

2. He wants to sell you something. "Look at this cool double lift, now buy this shitty 10-set DVD"

If you start things with "Hey check this out" or "Can I show you something" you're making your trick the crux of your engagement. The result? People will be like "OK, cool... I guess"

Introduce yourself, like Blaster said, make the small talk and then incorporate the trick/routine into the conversation.
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Re: How to really get into performing for people?
« Reply #17 on: January 03, 2013, 06:09:56 PM »
 

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So 2 things. One I would say always have a way to change the trick if you think they do catch something. When I first starting the herman pass live, a guy was like, so thats how you get it to the top. And so I did a double and was like no yours is in the middle, then I continued on. Also one thing you might try so you don't have to go up to people and make ask to perform if your around people try to spring/dribble cards, do fans, fancy cuts or whatever. I am always springing a deck and people will start to watch. Then use that to get your foot in the door.
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Re: How to really get into performing for people?
« Reply #18 on: January 03, 2013, 10:09:17 PM »
 

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Great thread!

Recently I was browsing YouTube tutorials and someone had posted chat roulette videos. They used it to practice, then posted the videos. I think this is a good precursor to performing in person, like the subway or park. Let you get over the shakes before taking to the streets. Hell, if you screw up just end the chat.

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Re: How to really get into performing for people?
« Reply #19 on: January 04, 2013, 06:02:35 AM »
 

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Hit up a local magic society, its obviously a great way to meet people that are interested in magic and by just being around these people you will become more and more confident.
 

Re: How to really get into performing for people?
« Reply #20 on: January 04, 2013, 07:31:30 AM »
 

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Great thread!

Recently I was browsing YouTube tutorials and someone had posted chat roulette videos. They used it to practice, then posted the videos. I think this is a good precursor to performing in person, like the subway or park. Let you get over the shakes before taking to the streets. Hell, if you screw up just end the chat.

I tried performing on Chatroulette once.  The typical webcam and Internet connection make it a bit difficult, especially during high-traffic times during the day.  And at night it's all gross guys stroking their junk...ewwww....  :)

Practice your routine - not just your moves, but your patter.  Do it a LOT.  Until you're practically sick of it.  I don't advise practicing in front of a mirror too much, since you're seeing a mirror image and not the real deal and can miss something in the angles that a spectator might see.  Performing in front of a camera is cool, though - and do so from different angles as well, so you can see anything that might be giving your trick away, so you can either fix it or be aware that for this trick, this angle is weak, etc.  Don't look at the video while performing -  review it after you've done a set.

For me, I have a set that I've been performing now - it's got to be approaching a thousand times, literally.  I do it, with some variation, at the hospital where I volunteer one day a week.  I perform for kids in the pediatric unit and pediatric ER - and there are other options as well, such as chemotherapy patients and such; people who need a distraction from the pain.  Perform in small sets like that, and you'll get the knack for it quickly enough - just be sure your skills are up to the task before applying.  Another alternative might be to perform somewhere like a local library - in most cases you'll get a small crowd, not enough to overwhelm but enough to give you the practice you need.

BTW, remember one thing above all - you're human.  You'll make mistakes, you'll screw up tricks, whatever.  But more importantly, it doesn't even matter in the grand scheme of things.  It's why people practice magic (and it's why people practice martial arts, too).  But even when you screw up, if you have your personal charm turned up to 11, your audience will be happy for the experience anyway.  Charisma can take you a long way, and being a magician requires that you get your charisma out, dust it off and show it to the world.  You can be the perfect trick robot, getting every move down cold but with zero charm and little to no patter, and your audience will yawn.  Bust out a smile, a sense of humor and colorful patter with room for improvisation, and even if you screw up a trick, your audience will be entertained and have a happy experience.

I ran into a room full of teenagers at the hospital yesterday - it was possibly the largest audience I entertained for there.  There were perhaps seven or eight of them, patient included, both genders, all family members of the patient.  Normally I do a brief three-trick set and move on, but this time, I had time to spare, the unit was nearly devoid of patients old enough to appreciate a little magic performance.  I had them going, frying brains left and right like a cannibal short order cook at breakfast.  I ended up doing five tricks, plus I taught them a simple automatic trick they can use to entertain their friends.  That might well have been the most fun I had in a performance.  The kids were less than half my age, but I was still able to get them going, have some laughs, slip in a few jokes that they didn't find lame.  I think one of my best was when I was introducing a trick with the line, "Do you believe in psychic powers?"  One of the spectators starting talking about how they have such powers and practically know each other's thoughts, to which I replied, "...and they call it 'Facebook!'"  Big laughs all around.

Go out there, meet people and by all means, have some fun!  That will be your biggest motivator - it's fun.  That fun, once you've experienced it, will motivate you and strip away any performance anxiety you might have had.
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Re: How to really get into performing for people?
« Reply #21 on: January 04, 2013, 03:16:26 PM »
 

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I don't like the idea of promoting alcohol but I found, well my friends found (I don't quite remember) my best magic performances while under the influence. People just seem more shocked when a drunk person changes a card to their card. Of course you have to be extremely proficient at what you're doing by 200%. Being buzzed also eliminates the butterflies quite nicely. If you have really dry patter like I do then this is a good route. There's a local bar where all my co-workers go and that's where we hang out.

Otherwise on my normal daily life, if I were in a Starbucks or something, I would just make small talk with the cards away in my pocket and then whip it out whenever I feel it's appropriate. When I'm in my EMT uniform though, I just sit right next to the girl I want to talk to and they generally start the conversation with me. If there are no girls at Starbucks and I'm in my EMT uniform then I am a sad panda and will drink my mocha like a mortal without wizardy.  :(
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« Reply #22 on: January 04, 2013, 05:15:16 PM »
 

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Don thank you for the advice...and yeah chatroulette can be the wong way to go. See what I did there?

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I don't like the idea of promoting alcohol but I found, well my friends found (I don't quite remember) my best magic performances while under the influence. People just seem more shocked when a drunk person changes a card to their card. Of course you have to be extremely proficient at what you're doing by 200%. Being buzzed also eliminates the butterflies quite nicely. If you have really dry patter like I do then this is a good route. There's a local bar where all my co-workers go and that's where we hang out.

Otherwise on my normal daily life, if I were in a Starbucks or something, I would just make small talk with the cards away in my pocket and then whip it out whenever I feel it's appropriate. When I'm in my EMT uniform though, I just sit right next to the girl I want to talk to and they generally start the conversation with me. If there are no girls at Starbucks and I'm in my EMT uniform then I am a sad panda and will drink my mocha like a mortal without wizardy.  :(

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Re: How to really get into performing for people?
« Reply #23 on: February 09, 2013, 01:20:36 PM »
 

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Just try to perform once
when you see the reactions and how spectators laugh all your fears will vanish

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How to go up to a stranger and perform
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I usually ask them " hey, want to see something cool?"

I'm curious on how you guys go up to people and ask them if you can perform a trick for them?  :-\
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