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Re: Karnival Inferno -- Refused by USPCC?
« Reply #75 on: February 11, 2012, 08:28:59 AM »
 

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Its definitely less satanic and I think the USPCC will definitely consider it now.

It is NOT less Satanic!  The first one wasn't Satanic AT ALL.

@Don, I get wat you're saying but I don't think BBM would have expected USPCC to reject it.  I know I wouldn't have.  I'm with Ace on this one; I really liked all the cultural ans symbolic references throughout the deck that have now been removed.  I hate religion. I really, really do.
 

Re: Karnival Inferno -- Refused by USPCC?
« Reply #76 on: February 11, 2012, 12:04:14 PM »
 

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Hey, this reminds me of a story I heard...

Luc Besson is preparing to shoot "The Fifth Element".  He wants to get Chris Tucker to agree to wear a particular costume, one that Luc knew Chris would almost certainly reject - remember, his "Ruby Rhod" character wore some very outlandish stuff in that film, stuff that would have all the drag queens envious!

So Luc talks to his costume designer and hatches a plan.  He asks the designer to make another costume that's even more over the top than the one he wanted Chris to wear; just beyond bizarre.  He then invites Chris in and gives him the "choice" of which costume would be best.  Naturally, he chose the least outlandish of the two, which is the one the director wanted him to wear in the first place.

Look at the amount of time we've spent discussing this deck.  Look at how in general that new joker seems to be well-liked.  Who wants to wager that the second joker was their first choice all along and they put the worse one in front of USPC in order to soften them up enough to accept the second one without arguments?



This is similar to a story about the film Fight Club.  The original line that was shot for Marla's pillow talk with Tyler Fox demanded that Fincher change.  What he changed it too was even MORE ridiculous, but David refused to change it back cause he loved the new one so much.


I'd really like to see some additional images to go with deck released.  A joker is one thing, but I'm not sure how it's gonna vibe with the rest of the deck.  If they kept the pentacles on the other cards, I can accept the sacrifice on the  Joker, but if they redid the whole deck, I'll be upset.
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Re: Karnival Inferno -- Refused by USPCC?
« Reply #77 on: February 11, 2012, 12:50:22 PM »
 

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@Don - I thought the same thing, but I still am not sure if USPCC will accept this one. Personally, I like this new one better, and think it will please more people, as it is less crazy and more eye appealing in my opinion.
 

Re: Karnival Inferno -- Refused by USPCC?
« Reply #78 on: February 11, 2012, 09:32:45 PM »
 

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Hey, this reminds me of a story I heard...

Luc Besson is preparing to shoot "The Fifth Element".  He wants to get Chris Tucker to agree to wear a particular costume, one that Luc knew Chris would almost certainly reject - remember, his "Ruby Rhod" character wore some very outlandish stuff in that film, stuff that would have all the drag queens envious!

So Luc talks to his costume designer and hatches a plan.  He asks the designer to make another costume that's even more over the top than the one he wanted Chris to wear; just beyond bizarre.  He then invites Chris in and gives him the "choice" of which costume would be best.  Naturally, he chose the least outlandish of the two, which is the one the director wanted him to wear in the first place.

Look at the amount of time we've spent discussing this deck.  Look at how in general that new joker seems to be well-liked.  Who wants to wager that the second joker was their first choice all along and they put the worse one in front of USPC in order to soften them up enough to accept the second one without arguments?


haha it could be, in negotiating terms, lower the offer you wanted and 'raise' it so that it seems the other party benefits more. Show them something they don't want so that they're more likely to want the second 'better' offer..
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Re: Karnival Inferno -- Refused by USPCC?
« Reply #79 on: February 12, 2012, 04:10:59 AM »
 

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@Don - I thought the same thing, but I still am not sure if USPCC will accept this one. Personally, I like this new one better, and think it will please more people, as it is less crazy and more eye appealing in my opinion.

USPC would have little to no reason to reject this one, especially since it's the far-lesser of two "evils".  There's practically no symbolism that could be mistaken for Satanism or devil worship.  The closest you get is a character seen only in shadow bearing glowing eyes, horns and wings - you can't really tell if it's a demonic angel or an angelic demon!

I still think it's something similar to a Hobson's choice, although rather than "all-or-nothing", the choice is "something you might not like versus something you'll definitely not like".
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Re: Karnival Inferno -- Refused by USPCC?
« Reply #80 on: February 12, 2012, 04:34:06 AM »
 

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Yeah I agree with Don again. I don't know how they could reject this. If they did it would only be for buzz and to get people talking (although I don't think it would be good talk). They used the classic door in the face on this one. (more info on that tactic here.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Door-in-the-face_technique if you want it  ;) )
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Re: Karnival Inferno -- Refused by USPCC?
« Reply #81 on: February 12, 2012, 05:25:37 AM »
 

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@AceGambit; they redid the entire deck; there will be no pentacles at all now.
 

Re: Karnival Inferno -- Refused by USPCC?
« Reply #82 on: February 12, 2012, 06:26:59 AM »
 

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Yeah I agree with Don again. I don't know how they could reject this. If they did it would only be for buzz and to get people talking (although I don't think it would be good talk). They used the classic door in the face on this one. (more info on that tactic here.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Door-in-the-face_technique if you want it  ;) )

That's a fine description of the Chris Tucker "Fifth Element" scenario.  I didn't even describe it completely correctly, but that's it in a nutshell.  The whacked-out costume was offered first, then the director's choice was offered.

@AceGambit; they redid the entire deck; there will be no pentacles at all now.

I never saw the rest of the deck.  Were there pentacles in other places as well?  Where did you see the deck and can I get a peek?
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Re: Karnival Inferno -- Refused by USPCC?
« Reply #83 on: February 12, 2012, 06:45:53 AM »
 

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The artist told me in a email; it's back a few pages.  There were some on the box that was posted (and are now going).
 

Re: Karnival Inferno -- Refused by USPCC?
« Reply #84 on: February 12, 2012, 08:28:46 AM »
 

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The artist told me in a email; it's back a few pages.  There were some on the box that was posted (and are now going).


Again, could've been legit, or could've been a "door-in-the-face" technique to insure the second choice got through.  Only the artist and BBM know.
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Re: Karnival Inferno -- Refused by USPCC?
« Reply #85 on: February 12, 2012, 02:27:39 PM »
 

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so in my opinion, USPCC should not have tried to censor this deck, i feel that if they wanted to sell it they should, i will say i was not going to get the deck with the last design for it was just to dark for me, yet with how it changed im considering getting it now.
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Re: Karnival Inferno -- Refused by USPCC?
« Reply #86 on: February 13, 2012, 12:03:07 AM »
 

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so in my opinion, USPCC should not have tried to censor this deck, i feel that if they wanted to sell it they should, i will say i was not going to get the deck with the last design for it was just to dark for me, yet with how it changed im considering getting it now.

I guess the "door-in-the-face technique" is working on you, as well!

I'm open-minded.  Maybe it's a genuine case of USPC refusing an order on the grounds that it might tarnish the company's image.  Bear in mind that a lot of the people buying Bicycle decks are from rather conservative parts of the country, where a joker like that would stir some people up enough to boycott their products.  (Meanwhile, the more liberal parts of the country either don't care or take Kanped's stance about wanting freedom to publish what they wish.)  But on the other hand, the whole thing could have been a big publicity stunt, done either with or without USPC's knowledge and complicity, on the part of BBM.

Personally, I happen to like the second joker.  The artwork is more dark and sinister, despite losing a degree of cultural connectedness.  And as far as the box art - hey, boxes are nice, but I'm more interested in the cards INSIDE the boxes...  The box is less than 2% of what I'm paying for.
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Re: Karnival Inferno -- Refused by USPCC?
« Reply #87 on: February 13, 2012, 03:07:43 AM »
 

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I don't think it's any kind of 'door-in-the-face' technique for the simple reason that the USPCC refusing to print a deck like this is pretty much unprecedented and there's no way they could have known it would be refused.  Plus, they're hiring an artist to create bespoke, original artwork for the entire deck twice... it's a lot of money to pay for that. 
 

Re: Karnival Inferno -- Refused by USPCC?
« Reply #88 on: February 13, 2012, 03:10:09 PM »
 

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@Knaped Yeah, I saw that post..  I just want to see what they look like now.  I hope the don't look like conservative trash with just flames and awkward burnt looking meaningless symbols all over them, but I fear that may be exactly what this deck turns into.
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Re: Karnival Inferno -- Refused by USPCC?
« Reply #89 on: February 21, 2012, 12:31:43 AM »
 

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@Knaped Yeah, I saw that post..  I just want to see what they look like now.  I hope the don't look like conservative trash with just flames and awkward burnt looking meaningless symbols all over them, but I fear that may be exactly what this deck turns into.


I agree. Losing the fine details of the original "Goat of Mendes" engraving by Eliphas Levi , and taking away the cultural/historical references, makes this a much less interesting deck. Don't think I will be getting this deck now they have censored the life out of it.
 

Re: Karnival Inferno -- Refused by USPCC?
« Reply #90 on: April 13, 2012, 06:42:05 AM »
 

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Does anyone have an update for this deck?
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Re: Karnival Inferno -- Refused by USPCC?
« Reply #91 on: April 14, 2012, 03:56:09 AM »
 

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Does anyone have an update for this deck?

I haven't heard BOO about this, Suicide Kings or Khaos since they were introduced (aside from the Inferno design change).  Big Blind Media seems to apply their name literally when it comes to releasing promotional information about their own stuff!
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Re: Karnival Inferno -- Refused by USPCC?
« Reply #92 on: April 16, 2012, 10:22:03 AM »
 

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Hey guys

I sent Owen a message at BigBlindMedia, and here's what he wrote back...

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the INFERNO deck will be out in 6-8 weeks. in production now.

the Karnival Khaos is in the early stages of development. won't be out for a while.

and the Suicide Kings is on hold. we are working with BLUFF poker magazine on that design - it should be launched at the tail end of the year.

hope that helps,

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Re: Karnival Inferno -- Refused by USPCC?
« Reply #93 on: April 16, 2012, 10:28:19 AM »
 

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Oh HELL yes! I can't wait for this one. Thanks for the update
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Re: Karnival Inferno -- Refused by USPCC?
« Reply #94 on: April 16, 2012, 11:32:44 AM »
 

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Hey guys

I sent Owen a message at BigBlindMedia, and here's what he wrote back...

"dude

the INFERNO deck will be out in 6-8 weeks. in production now.

the Karnival Khaos is in the early stages of development. won't be out for a while.

and the Suicide Kings is on hold. we are working with BLUFF poker magazine on that design - it should be launched at the tail end of the year.

hope that helps,

Owen Packard
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Awesome! So they will be releasing many decks this year! Let's hope they don't follow D&D's path!
 

Re: Karnival Inferno -- Refused by USPCC?
« Reply #95 on: April 16, 2012, 05:01:13 PM »
 

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This is all good news.  If BBM was releasing these like D&D, we'd be seeing all of these decks on the market by next month, practically one on top of another - these releases appear to be staggered out nicely, months apart from each other.
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Re: Karnival Inferno -- Refused by USPCC?
« Reply #96 on: April 17, 2012, 01:32:52 AM »
 

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Thanks CBJ for the update. That is really good news! I love BBM deck designs  :D
 

Re: Karnival Inferno -- Refused by USPCC?
« Reply #97 on: June 18, 2012, 03:27:12 PM »
 

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BigBlind Media released some promo photos today...







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Re: Karnival Inferno -- Refused by USPCC?
« Reply #98 on: June 18, 2012, 03:32:24 PM »
 

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Too satanic in my opinion with the star thing, pitchforks, and skulls. You can't forget the flames too!
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Re: Karnival Inferno -- Refused by USPCC?
« Reply #99 on: June 18, 2012, 03:48:44 PM »
 

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Actually, Pentacles ARE NOT Satanic. If anything, they are Christian. If you want to know more, feel free to PM me.