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digipunk · « **Reply #25 on:** February 04, 2012, 10:26:04 PM »

@sxjy0109, the Arrco Service deck is not very famous. The seller is not a card collector, even he saw the page I posted earlier (http://a.trionfi.eu/WWPCM/decks03/d01964/d01964.htm), "SINCE 1943" still means nothing to him, hahaha.
I am not always so lucky, few days ago I continuously lost 6 items... those SOB snippers

So I was angry and increased the max bids of the remaining auctions I was bidding on. Finally I won one deck (actually it's the only one deck) in those days: http://www.ebay.com/itm/130636796796
I was not too interested in the Uncle Sam decks I saw before, but this one... please look at its stamp. The "free-of-tax" stamp is very special to me.

xZEROx · « **Reply #26 on:** February 04, 2012, 10:29:51 PM »

Quote from: Curt on February 04, 2012, 10:24:03 PM

I will put some photos up once I receive the newest addition to my vintage collection, which should come in the mail within a couple weeks. For now, here is a list of my small vintage collection, these are all sealed.

1979 World Blackjack Sahara Casino Deck
Sahara casino deck, from the 80's ( I think )
Virginia Slims set
Imperial Palace Casino Deck ( Like this, except still sealed and in not cut on the side: http://tinyurl.com/739n6yr )
1920's Bee deck

I'm not familiar with the casino decks, but is the World Blackjack Sahara deck THE Sahara deck that all the vintage card collectors are crazy about?

Curt · « **Reply #27 on:** February 04, 2012, 10:32:52 PM »

Quote from: sxjy0109 on February 04, 2012, 10:29:51 PM

I'm not familiar with the casino decks, but is the World Blackjack Sahara deck THE Sahara deck that all the vintage card collectors are crazy about?

I am have not paid much attention to the vintage card collecting market, so I am not sure.

Here is pictures of an opened one of the decks: http://www.magiccastleauctions.com/102728,auction_id,auction_details

xZEROx · « **Reply #28 on:** February 04, 2012, 10:32:58 PM »

Quote from: digipunk on February 04, 2012, 10:26:04 PM

@sxjy0109, the Arrco Service deck is not very famous. The seller is not a card collector, even he saw the page I posted earlier (http://a.trionfi.eu/WWPCM/decks03/d01964/d01964.htm), "SINCE 1943" still means nothing to him, hahaha.
I am not always so lucky, few days ago I continuously lost 6 items... those SOB snippers
So I was angry and increased the max bids of the remaining auctions I was bidding on. Finally I won one deck (actually it's the only one deck) in those days: http://www.ebay.com/itm/130636796796
I was not too interested in the Uncle Sam decks I saw before, but this one... please look at its stamp. The "free-of-tax" stamp is very special to me.

How much should the deck really cost on the market?
Hah you must have pissed the winner off with the increasing bids! Those free-of-tax stamps are quite rare I think. I'm yet to see one on the Bicycle decks. Anyone know how long it had been used? All I'm aware of is that it was applied in 1946 for the U.S. military.

digipunk · « **Reply #29 on:** February 04, 2012, 10:47:00 PM »

@sxjy0109,
I don't know. Since I don't plan to resell it, why should I care about how much it costs on the market

Every time I go to this page to look up the age of a deck:
http://www.cypressfilms.com/Bicycle/USPC_Dates/USPC_Dating_Codes.html
I always think I would never have the chance to own a deck with the "free-of-tax" stamp, but now I have one

xZEROx · « **Reply #30 on:** February 05, 2012, 01:28:04 AM »

Quote from: Curt on February 04, 2012, 10:32:52 PM

Quote from: sxjy0109 on February 04, 2012, 10:29:51 PM
I'm not familiar with the casino decks, but is the World Blackjack Sahara deck THE Sahara deck that all the vintage card collectors are crazy about?

I am have not paid much attention to the vintage card collecting market, so I am not sure.

Here is pictures of an opened one of the decks: http://www.magiccastleauctions.com/102728,auction_id,auction_details

Hmm that doesn't seem to be the one. Maybe someone here can give us insights into these casino decks? @jmrock? @Don/Good@Sabacc?

xZEROx · « **Reply #31 on:** February 05, 2012, 01:30:41 AM »

Quote from: digipunk on February 04, 2012, 10:47:00 PM

@sxjy0109,
I don't know. Since I don't plan to resell it, why should I care about how much it costs on the market

Every time I go to this page to look up the age of a deck:
http://www.cypressfilms.com/Bicycle/USPC_Dates/USPC_Dating_Codes.html
I always think I would never have the chance to own a deck with the "free-of-tax" stamp, but now I have one

Lol you're right. But sometimes I want to know the market value just to get a feel that whether I got a good deal or not. But of course, the value of these vintage decks are constantly changing as time passes.

Yeah that's the site I use to date my opened decks too. Otherwise how would you think I got the 1946?

jmrock · « **Reply #32 on:** February 05, 2012, 02:25:41 AM »

That Leaf deck is absolutely phenomenal!!! We're going to have to talk about that deck my friend!!! It was one of the few early Bicycle Brand decks that had nothing to do with bicycles... It's just beautiful...

The Uncle Sam decks were given to men and women in the armed forces in 1945 so they weren't taxed... You wouldn't find the No Tax Stamp on a Bicycle deck or any other decks that weren't produced specifically for the military... From an eBay listing, "There is no advertising of the maker's name on the box but everyone knew who made 'Bicycle' playing cards. Also, because they were intended for use by men and women in the armed forces there was no tax that had to be paid." Nice Score Digipunk!!! Keep your scope on one for me... Thanks!!!

@ Alex... That Sealed Tally-Ho Tax Stamp will forever haunt me... Our first battle not having known each other... Damned eBay mobile... It just waves to me from the screen... hahaha... I remain searching for my favorite brand in vintage form...

& I guess now I'm going to have to post some pics...

xZEROx · « **Reply #33 on:** February 05, 2012, 03:07:06 AM »

Quote from: jmrock on February 05, 2012, 02:25:41 AM

That Leaf deck is absolutely phenomenal!!! We're going to have to talk about that deck my friend!!! It was one of the few early Bicycle Brand decks that had nothing to do with bicycles... It's just beautiful...

The Uncle Sam decks were given to men and women in the armed forces in 1945 so they weren't taxed... You wouldn't find the No Tax Stamp on a Bicycle deck or any other decks that weren't produced specifically for the military... From an eBay listing, "There is no advertising of the maker's name on the box but everyone knew who made 'Bicycle' playing cards. Also, because they were intended for use by men and women in the armed forces there was no tax that had to be paid." Nice Score Digipunk!!! Keep your scope on one for me... Thanks!!!

@ Alex... That Sealed Tally-Ho Tax Stamp will forever haunt me... Our first battle not having known each other... Damned eBay mobile... It just waves to me from the screen... hahaha... I remain searching for my favorite brand in vintage form...

& I guess now I'm going to have to post some pics...

I've got a few more that's not bicycle related, Bicycle branded vintage deck that I'll post later. But before that, you gonna show us some of yours!

Don Boyer · « **Reply #34 on:** February 05, 2012, 04:02:56 AM »

Quote from: sxjy0109 on February 05, 2012, 01:28:04 AM

Quote from: Curt on February 04, 2012, 10:32:52 PM
Quote from: sxjy0109 on February 04, 2012, 10:29:51 PM
I'm not familiar with the casino decks, but is the World Blackjack Sahara deck THE Sahara deck that all the vintage card collectors are crazy about?

I am have not paid much attention to the vintage card collecting market, so I am not sure.

Here is pictures of an opened one of the decks: http://www.magiccastleauctions.com/102728,auction_id,auction_details

Hmm that doesn't seem to be the one. Maybe someone here can give us insights into these casino decks? @jmrock? @Don/Good@Sabacc?

What little I know of vintage decks, I learned from the same sources you guys use - Hochman and the Internet. And my copy of Hochman is in storage - fiancee's apartment is small.

jmrock · « **Reply #35 on:** February 05, 2012, 05:16:30 AM »

1. Miniature Decks c. 1917 - 1940
2. Bee Worm Backs
2. Various Bee Tax Stamp Decks c. 1920 - 1965

xZEROx · « **Reply #36 on:** February 05, 2012, 05:19:09 AM »

Quote from: jmrock on February 05, 2012, 05:16:30 AM

Haven't figured out how the pictures post along with the words, but I posted the following:
Early 1900s Miniature Decks
Various Bee Tax Stamp Decks c. 1920 - 1965
Bee Worm Backs - c. ?

The miniature ones are the Little Dukes eh? I've seen them readily on eBay recently.
I remember from some other forum that the Worm Backs are quite rare! Not to mention in sealed condition. Great find!

jmrock · « **Reply #37 on:** February 05, 2012, 05:29:03 AM »

Posting my oldest and rarest complete deck w/ box - 1883 USPC Steamboats... I love the others as well...

jmrock · « **Reply #38 on:** February 05, 2012, 05:33:10 AM »

My 1930s Bicycle Post...
1. My Baby - The Lotus Back (One of the first Non-Bicycle themed decks)
2. Racer Back Set
3. League Back

xZEROx · « **Reply #39 on:** February 05, 2012, 05:44:52 AM »

Quote from: jmrock on February 05, 2012, 05:29:03 AM

Posting my oldest and rarest complete deck w/ box - 1883 USPC Steamboats... I love the others as well...

Damn! 1883?! You're talking about the one on the right yes? I've never seen this deck before.
According to a reference site, the name "Russell & Morgan Co." was used between 1881 and 1885. Did any one of those earliest tax stamp come on the tuckbox?

The left most seem to be printed between 1894 to 1917.

xZEROx · « **Reply #40 on:** February 05, 2012, 05:46:39 AM »

Quote from: jmrock on February 05, 2012, 05:33:10 AM

My 1930s Bicycle Post...
1. My Baby - The Lotus Back (One of the first Non-Bicycle themed decks)
2. Racer Back Set
3. League Back

More sealed decks! How I wish I could get my hands on those sealed ones. But sometimes they are so expensive that they're out of my reach!

digipunk · « **Reply #41 on:** February 05, 2012, 06:05:39 AM »

Quote from: sxjy0109 on February 05, 2012, 05:46:39 AM

Quote from: jmrock on February 05, 2012, 05:33:10 AM
My 1930s Bicycle Post...
1. My Baby - The Lotus Back (One of the first Non-Bicycle themed decks)
2. Racer Back Set
3. League Back

More sealed decks! How I wish I could get my hands on those sealed ones. But sometimes they are so expensive that they're out of my reach!

Ohh.. it's simply a gloomy collection without the Bicycle War Series $:-\$ $:-\$

jmrock · « **Reply #42 on:** February 05, 2012, 06:13:32 AM »

Digi - Boooooh! Talk about raining on the parade... hahaha...
I shot my nut there... I guess I should have led up to those, huh?
I didn't post the Bicycle Gold Edge Racer Backs yet... When would I date those?

xZEROx · « **Reply #43 on:** February 05, 2012, 06:23:21 AM »

Quote from: digipunk on February 05, 2012, 06:05:39 AM

Quote from: sxjy0109 on February 05, 2012, 05:46:39 AM
Quote from: jmrock on February 05, 2012, 05:33:10 AM
My 1930s Bicycle Post...
1. My Baby - The Lotus Back (One of the first Non-Bicycle themed decks)
2. Racer Back Set
3. League Back

More sealed decks! How I wish I could get my hands on those sealed ones. But sometimes they are so expensive that they're out of my reach!

Ohh.. it's simply a gloomy collection without the Bicycle War Series $:-\$ $:-\$

Ah I so want those in my hands. Any one of you want to fund me?!

digipunk · « **Reply #44 on:** February 05, 2012, 06:26:34 AM »

Quote from: jmrock on February 05, 2012, 06:13:32 AM

I didn't post the Bicycle Gold Edge Racer Backs yet... When would I date those?

1981

xZEROx · « **Reply #45 on:** February 05, 2012, 06:31:03 AM »

Quote from: jmrock on February 05, 2012, 06:13:32 AM

Digi - Boooooh! Talk about raining on the parade... hahaha...
I shot my nut there... I guess I should have led up to those, huh?
I didn't post the Bicycle Gold Edge Racer Backs yet... When would I date those?

I've always had that question. Between what years did USPCC print their decks with gilded edges?
Easiest way to tell the year of your deck would probably be the tax stamp, but that would only give you a range. Besides that, I don't have any other ways of dating it unfortunately.

xZEROx · « **Reply #46 on:** February 05, 2012, 06:31:37 AM »

Quote from: digipunk on February 05, 2012, 06:26:34 AM

Quote from: jmrock on February 05, 2012, 06:13:32 AM
I didn't post the Bicycle Gold Edge Racer Backs yet... When would I date those?
1981

How did you know the exact year? $:-\$

jmrock · « **Reply #47 on:** February 05, 2012, 06:33:25 AM »

He sold them to me... hahaha!!!

Edit: But that would be an incredible gift right? I just tell him the name of the deck and he knows when it was made... Who needs Hochman, when you've got Digipunk...

xZEROx · « **Reply #48 on:** February 05, 2012, 06:40:31 AM »

Quote from: jmrock on February 05, 2012, 06:33:25 AM

He sold them to me... hahaha!!!

Edit: But that would be an incredible gift right? I just tell him the name of the deck and he knows when it was made... Who needs Hochman, when you've got Digipunk...

Lol! Guess it was an opened deck?
I wish I've got that talent. Then I wouldn't have to open my sealed decks to know when they were produced.

jmrock · « **Reply #49 on:** February 05, 2012, 06:40:57 AM »

@ sxjy... Did you know the guy I bought the 1883 Steamboats from won that deck and an identical mint deck at a country western auction for $130 (Both Decks). Again, there you have an auction - nothing to do with playing cards, and they're sitting on gold and just don't know it... Amazing!!!