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Juice Decks?
« on: March 03, 2012, 07:23:15 PM »
 

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I was looking around at cards, and I came across Bee, Tally Ho, Aviator, and Bicycle "Juice Decks". They were on the more expensive side - 39.99$! Apparently, they have some special coating on them to let you be able to read and see the cards from up to 15 feet away. I don't know about you guys, but I can read the cards from 15 feet away. Pretty cool, but not worth 40$ to me.
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« Reply #1 on: March 03, 2012, 07:29:40 PM »
 

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Do you have any pictures of them?
 

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« Reply #2 on: March 03, 2012, 07:33:36 PM »
 

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Do you have any pictures of them?

Unfortunately no, but I have only seen like 2 pictures. And that was of the box and the back of the cards. I have no idea what the faces look like. ;D
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« Reply #3 on: March 03, 2012, 07:35:33 PM »
 

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Do you have any pictures of them?

Unfortunately no, but I have only seen like 2 pictures. And that was of the box and the back of the cards. I have no idea what the faces look like. ;D
Please post those pics.
 

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« Reply #4 on: March 03, 2012, 07:39:41 PM »
 

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I've tried to do some search but no luck. We need the pictures! I've never heard of a Bicycle-branded deck named Juice...
 

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« Reply #5 on: March 03, 2012, 08:04:33 PM »
 

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The actual deck isnt branded with the name "Juice".  Im really sorry but I can't post pics because I'm on mobile. The website I found them on is
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« Reply #6 on: March 03, 2012, 08:06:19 PM »
 

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www.markedcards.org just type in "juice deck" in the search bar. They come up.
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« Reply #7 on: March 03, 2012, 08:10:07 PM »
 

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so they are actually marked decks i thought it was a deck named like that .
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« Reply #8 on: March 03, 2012, 08:24:25 PM »
 

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Ah magic cards. OK. Not my piece of cake but maybe someone else would be interested.
 

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« Reply #9 on: March 03, 2012, 08:26:49 PM »
 

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These deck have a liquid on the back that says the card name, at certain angles you can read the card name, they are very cool. I dont have one but a magician friend of mine does. They are cool and worth the price. :)
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« Reply #10 on: March 03, 2012, 08:50:50 PM »
 

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Ok, so its a trick deck. This should be moved to the Magic section
 

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« Reply #11 on: March 03, 2012, 10:48:52 PM »
 

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Yeah, 'Juice' is a dye that you put onto the back of cards to mark them.  Not sure how it works but I know they exist where the markings are only visible if you use coloured-lens glasses (usually green, apparently).
 

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« Reply #12 on: March 03, 2012, 11:04:10 PM »
 

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would love to see picture .. where did you find it ?
 

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« Reply #13 on: March 03, 2012, 11:32:03 PM »
 

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Please read the post before replying. He's said there aren't pictures available and the deck could be found online at this website:
www.markedcards.org
 

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« Reply #14 on: March 04, 2012, 01:16:26 AM »
 

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there can`t really be pictures, it is a marked deck.
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« Reply #15 on: March 04, 2012, 03:41:00 AM »
 

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There's many styles of "juiced" decks.  Some are juiced by the seller, pre-marked.  Some are juiced by the buyer, using vials of the dyes - different dyes for different colors on the card backs.  Some use "daubs" - it's like juicing, but it allows you to mark a deck on the fly; as you receive a high card, you take some daub onto your fingertip and rub it onto the back of the card at a certain place, where it quickly dries and leaves a mark that you can detect.  Some very sophisticated daubs and juices are invisible except in the ultraviolet spectrum - and the player using such marks wears a special pair of sunglasses (VERY expensive) to read the UV marks.  There's also special daubs/juices for plastic cards, since many players and casino use plastic decks at poker tables.

Casinos are wise to these gamblers' devices - the "eye in the sky" and other cameras are able to filter light to try and spot these marks.  The lower the tech you use, the less likely a casino will spot your marks on camera, but the more likely they'll spot them on the floor.  It's also one of the reasons that casinos use deeper reds for their hearts and diamonds - the lighter reds don't show up as well on the cameras, particularly in the days when black-and-white cameras were the norm.  While they're barred from communicating any information about your hand to the dealer or other players, they will compile information on your playing style to look for particular patterns that would indicate you're a cheater.  They will end up barring you from the house, and you'll be blacklisted at all of the other casinos in the area, possibly even nationally - they share this information to protect each other and shut out cheats early and often in an effort to discourage them from attempting to come back.

The guy at markedcards.org works more specifically with gamblers than with magicians.  His services aren't cheap, and most of the other items on his website are there for show - anything not related to gambling is generally out of stock, even if the website says otherwise.  I know, I tried ordering from him before.  I think in the near future he's planning to beef up the legit offerings he has to better hide the entirely-less-than-legit ones.  Marked cards aren't illegal to create or possess in most places, but we all know how people feel about playing against someone using them against you!  Using them in a money game would be construed as fraud, even if the game itself was illegal.

You won't find pictures of the card marks on his site for two reasons: many of the marking systems used won't show up well in a basic still camera, and he wants to keep his marking methods a secret so as to not inform the world of what to look for when a player is using one of his decks.
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« Reply #16 on: March 04, 2012, 07:52:22 AM »
 

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It would also stop people stealing his marking system; to card cheats who come up with ideas, their system is their bread and butter; you gotta pay for it. 

I also heard of a bunch of cheats who had the craziest method of marking cards (I think) possible.  When they got a Jack-Ace (High cards), they put a little bit of some invisible, but highly radioactive fluid onto the back of the card.  How did that help them?  They all had Geiger counters hidden about their person and it would tick when near a high card.  Madness.
 

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« Reply #17 on: March 04, 2012, 11:58:06 AM »
 

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Juiced Decks were invented by a colleague named I. T. (won't expose his real name) from Canada, his girlfriend spit out the secret to the cops and then they arrested him. Only few people know the original formula of the Juice, which is used to cheat, not for magic. About the eye in the sky, usually Take Off Men have Agents so don't worry about that, if they are good, they will steal money from the casino.
 

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« Reply #18 on: March 04, 2012, 01:07:54 PM »
 

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If you know the youtuber "How to disturb reality", he has a couple videos about juice decks. You might want to check them out!
Normally to apply the "juice" you just write out the card number and suit on the back using the juice, and then you will be able to see it.
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« Reply #19 on: March 04, 2012, 02:05:34 PM »
 

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Why did he do that? He doesn't have the right... I don't want even talk about that person...
 

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« Reply #20 on: March 04, 2012, 03:39:42 PM »
 

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Why did he do that? He doesn't have the right... I don't want even talk about that person...
Why doesn't he have the right?
 

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« Reply #21 on: March 05, 2012, 01:36:37 AM »
 

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Why did he do that? He doesn't have the right... I don't want even talk about that person...
Why doesn't he have the right?



He didn't invent it. And are you sure you are talking about the same juice?
 

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« Reply #22 on: March 05, 2012, 03:41:07 AM »
 

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It would also stop people stealing his marking system; to card cheats who come up with ideas, their system is their bread and butter; you gotta pay for it. 

I also heard of a bunch of cheats who had the craziest method of marking cards (I think) possible.  When they got a Jack-Ace (High cards), they put a little bit of some invisible, but highly radioactive fluid onto the back of the card.  How did that help them?  They all had Geiger counters hidden about their person and it would tick when near a high card.  Madness.

It's not as crazy as it sounds.  Gamma radiation is the deadly stuff, but beta radiation won't even penetrate the dead cells on the surface of your skin, and alpha radiation can't pass through even a sheet of paper.  They probably used beta radiation sources for the marking.  I used to own a Civil Defense Geiger counter and it had a beta radiation source underneath a sticker on the side of the machine, in order to test the sensor and insure it was working.  The sensor itself was encased in metal, but it had a window that could be opened to allow beta radiation access to the sensor.  So you could make a very strong radiation source that produces beta waves without any harm to anyone, and use an unshielded radiation sensor to detect its presence.  They couldn't make it too strong, though - if they emitted too much radiation, you'd be detecting several or all the radioactive cards at once and be unable to distinguish them.

Juiced Decks were invented by a colleague named I. T. (won't expose his real name) from Canada, his girlfriend spit out the secret to the cops and then they arrested him. Only few people know the original formula of the Juice, which is used to cheat, not for magic. About the eye in the sky, usually Take Off Men have Agents so don't worry about that, if they are good, they will steal money from the casino.

Why did he do that? He doesn't have the right... I don't want even talk about that person...
Why doesn't he have the right?



He didn't invent it. And are you sure you are talking about the same juice?

Who cares if he invented it?  Juicing has been around for a while now.  There are methods of juicing a deck that require little more than water, and cigarette ash makes a nice daub.  There's enough prior art out there that unless your friend is a few hundred years old, he didn't invent applied-substance methods for marking playing cards.

It isn't impossible to steal from a casino by cheating, but it would not take long for it to be detected.  There's numerous stories about cheat teams moving from casino to casino, thinking they were one step ahead of it all until the blacklist finally caught up with them and enough video evidence was compiled to make a solid case in court against them.  Your one and only chance of getting away with it is to be good and strike only once, ever - but being that good on only one try is pretty unlikely.

In addition to ordinary eye-in-the-sky, there are casinos that, when cheating is suspected or just as a matter of course, use sophisticated marking dyes on their decks which are only detectable via video camera to track game play and detect betting patterns.  There was a guy on eBay last year selling such decks from a now-defunct casino tracking system.  Combined with the RFID sensors in the larger chip denominations (an anti-forgery method), they can see when a whale is winning or losing and respond accordingly.
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« Reply #23 on: March 05, 2012, 02:35:12 PM »
 

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Interesting stuff, Don.  Plenty to think about (could you use their own systems against them?  RFID chips aren't hard to hack, or clone...).  In regards to the radioactive gentlemen; this was a story from a while back, when they were putting the stuff in their food.  Pretty sure it was gamma radiation but, who knows?
 

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« Reply #24 on: March 06, 2012, 03:29:54 AM »
 

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Interesting stuff, Don.  Plenty to think about (could you use their own systems against them?  RFID chips aren't hard to hack, or clone...).  In regards to the radioactive gentlemen; this was a story from a while back, when they were putting the stuff in their food.  Pretty sure it was gamma radiation but, who knows?

I'm pretty sure they use something akin to the RSA algorithm, making it tough to decipher or reuse in cloned form.  It took 30 early Pentium-chipped computers about a month to break the 128-bit encryption key used on a single page in a web banking transaction - by which time the data was useless.  But every additional bit added to the key makes the cipher twice as difficult to decipher.  It wouldn't take much to keep a step ahead of any hacking tech, but the key is in actually staying ahead.  I used to use PGP in the freeware days of its development (I had PGP 2.62 for DOS!) - it allowed for keys of up to 128 bits back then, but a hacker friend I met in college managed to overcome the key length restriction and regularly used 1024-bit keys - even today that's considered military-grade, though it remains to be seen for how much longer.  I wouldn't be surprised to eventually see banks bump up their keys to a higher number of bits as well for the very same reason.

As far as a gamma-wave radiation-using set of card sharps - it that was indeed the case, I'm thinking that they and anyone they played with are having some serious health issues, assuming they're even still alive.  Beta is safe - why even bother with gamma?  Card players aren't necessarily rocket scientists, but a good card sharp has to have a decent head on his shoulders just to keep track of the action and the cons.  We learned radiation could be deadly from the Curies well over a century ago; they both died of radiation sickness.  Gamma sources on playing cards would need to be kept lead-shielded, or anyone handling them or even having them nearby will get a continuous dose of the stuff - lethal even at low strength, given enough time.  It would be like using an X-ray machine to shoot a movie!
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