Ultra Ape deck launch party

[Kanped]

JMRock, you can't just state that the deck is objectively awful without giving any reasons at all, otherwise you are trying to speak for everyone.

Look back at your last post and consider this;

As far as calling anyone a liar, I did not, so don't put words in my mouth

Like I said, stop coddling the guy and be honest

So, you were making accustions of dishonesty.  If you can say WHY you think the cards are awful, I think everyone would find that useful and i would actually be considered to be contributing something to the conversation.

[Don Boyer]

JMRock, you can't just state that the deck is objectively awful without giving any reasons at all, otherwise you are trying to speak for everyone.

Look back at your last post and consider this;

As far as calling anyone a liar, I did not, so don't put words in my mouth

Like I said, stop coddling the guy and be honest

So, you were making accustions of dishonesty.  If you can say WHY you think the cards are awful, I think everyone would find that useful and i would actually be considered to be contributing something to the conversation.

I agree with Kanped, JM.  And I'll add this:

Can I be the only one to be brutally honest with you and say that the cards are just awful... If they were put out by merz or someone that nobody knew, everyone here, everyone, would be bashing these decks to pieces... People are being kind because they don't want to hurt your feelings, but people, you are not doing him any favors sugar coating it... You should put your efforts elsewhere... Perhaps take a course or two in design or art, or maybe do a bit more research... I'm not trying to insult you or be a wise guy, but the decks are really that bad... Good luck in your future endeavors, and don't try and make this deck one of them...

Reagan is taking a few unique concepts and making them into playing cards.  Merz67 grabs a few pieces of clip art off the web for his jokers and aces, recolors the Rider Back and calls that a rare and valuable collectible, generally charging obscene amounts for them because he's the only seller who has them.  There's a Grand Canyon separating the two.  I wouldn't say Reagan is the world's greatest deck designer, but it's easy to say that this deck trumps anything Merz67 craps out and calls art.  I'm interested in Reagan's deck, but I'd sooner buy a two-for-99-cents deck for a hundred bucks than even consider buying a Merz67-designed deck.


And since when did you become the elected spokesman for the entire forum?  "...everyone here, everyone, would be bashing these decks to pieces..."?  This is obviously not true, because I don't think this is such an awful deck and I've never been accused of sugar-coating anything around here (for good reason).  My honesty is as brutal as it gets.  Speak for yourself, if you don't mind; I can speak for myself and I'm sure the others can as well.


"I'm not trying to insult you or be a wise guy, but the decks are really that bad... Good luck in your future endeavors, and don't try and make this deck one of them..."  You're "not trying to insult him" in one sentence, then slamming him in the next.  Not very useful.


If you think there's specific issues with the deck, fine - point them out.  Reagan's been extremely flexible about his designs because he wants to make a deck some people here will buy.  His deck isn't meant to appeal to everyone - if it was, he'd be making it in quantities in the millions, not just several hundred.  If you really dislike the deck, you're not forced to comment here, but if you do, try giving reasons for your opinion instead of just tossing out a grenade like the one you left in the room.

[MDCasino]

Im sorry but I dont like them either 

but it seems like enough people do so good luck with it.

[NathanCanadas]

Don, I totally agree with you. I was just saying why some people might not want to buy it. Reagan said it was near perfect in his opinion, so I was just trying to show him a typical collectors' point of view.

[ReaganM]

Well this is wonderfull, I was told I didnt need kickstarter approval for a second project, apparently someone is just a compulsive liar, because we wont see this project for a few days.

[ReaganM]

Well whhile we are waiting, Ive been trying out new monkeys on the back, what do you guys think of this one?

[MDCasino]

I like the outline better but at first glance you cant really tell what it is. Definatly a step up though.

[Frost]

you can add strips to the hats to see how that looks like, because the center looks plain .

[Aaron]

I like that back and I will buy a couple of these.

[NathanCanadas]

Looking much better! But I still don't like the ape head in the center :/ sry for being so difficult!

[jmrock]

Well my goodness... I must just say that I'm not going to list all the things I don't like about this deck because I don't want to insult Reagan and add even more fuel to the fire, and I think I would be beating a dead horse... I really didn't expect the panty bunching that occurred relating to my post... hahaha... It's just that I've observed many of you tear apart much finer decks than this one in the past... So I looked again at the revisions and I have to say, "I just don't get it... I'm not seeing the same thing any of you are seeing apparently."  However, Reagan, If I've offended you I apologize, but I do believe you're over it already... It's nice to see how much love and support you have in these rooms... I hope you understand the respect many of people here have for you given the constructive criticism that has been posted (in all seriousness).

[Lara Krystle "Lane"]

Okay lets make a sandwich "personal opinion" on the Ultra Ape.

Mind you this is just my opnion and take on the deck. I don't represent anyone or any group of people. Everyone is entitled to their opinions. So yeah. ^_^

The pips and indices on all four corners are a bit... uhm... bleh to me. I may not know anything about poker, but I do play other card games... and having too much to "see" on the cards make it a bit noisy, messy and distracting to me at least. And even if I were to see it in my "magician" point-of-view... its still distracting.
In my "Flourisher" point-of-view well if your are going with KEM.... nuff said.
As a Female Card collector, I don't like monkey/ape cards... specially one with cigars. ^_^
But the Silhouette is MUCH MUCH better than the  earlier designs. Since there are already WAAAAAAY TOO much DISTINCT stuff on the backs, faces, and court cards. The simple silhouette is a bit more pleasing to the eyes.
Now, the inside, inner borders are just tacky for my own taste. Specially if your court cards are going to be something like that. Now looking at this King of Hearts... again the card design is really overwhelming in a bad way. Because the contrasting colors and what not are too distinct. If it were more subtle and muted then it might be better.
The suit of the Ape is just fashion disaster. If I were a guy I would never wear the same Suit and fedora with the same design/color/cloth. Can you just imagine?? I mean would you wear something like that. The same exact style of suit and fedora?

But yeah thats just my opinion. I tried to not be too harsh. ^_^ Because I don't want to start any other conflict.

I'm very curious though on one thing... if that is what the KINGS will look like, what will the QUEENS look like?
FemAPEs?

[Kanped]

I'm not going to list all the things I don't like about this deck because I don't want to insult Reagan

Surely, you MUST realize that by just coming along and saying 'they're awful' without offering any explanation can only be taken as insulting, and can't be taken as criticism because it isn't, in any way, constructive? 

You could just humour us at this point and say why you don't like it, where were the wrong choices made?  I think it would be informative and interesting, and possibly make a better deck if the rest of us think 'Ah yes, I couldn't put my finger on it before but now that you point it out, that is a bit [whatever]'.

[Evan]

I like the updated back much better. But it is still lacking something. Maybe another color?

[ReaganM]

Ok Guys the deck is launched. The deck will be perfected over time like the steampunk cards were.

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1762124010/ultra-ape-poker-playing-cards

[Evan]

There isn't much info on the Kickstarter page and they are only 3 cards shown... not even the other color is shown.

Also, do you think you may have rushed this? It doesn't seem like you have spent enough time getting peoples opinions, and perfecting your designs.

[ReaganM]

There isn't much info on the Kickstarter page and they are only 3 cards shown... not even the other color is shown.

Also, do you think you may have rushed this? It doesn't seem like you have spent enough time getting peoples opinions, and perfecting your designs.

You might be right, excuse me for being confident but if it fails it fails. Also The cards will probably a lot better near the end of it like the steampunk deck. But if Im wrong, oh well its kickstarter, it can only fail.

[NathanCanadas]

There isn't much info on the Kickstarter page and they are only 3 cards shown... not even the other color is shown.

Also, do you think you may have rushed this? It doesn't seem like you have spent enough time getting peoples opinions, and perfecting your designs.

I agree. I think this has  lot of potential but...
The back is cut off. The price is a little high for me (I wouldn't pay more than 7$ for it, regardless of the fact that it is plastic). There is little info on the two colors. We are missing a lot of info. I think you should edit it and that should get you many backers quickly. Good luck!

EDIT: Also, why is the goal so high if it costs 4500$ to print through Rajas? I honestly can't imagine it reaching such a high goal. NO offense.

[ReaganM]

There isn't much info on the Kickstarter page and they are only 3 cards shown... not even the other color is shown.

Also, do you think you may have rushed this? It doesn't seem like you have spent enough time getting peoples opinions, and perfecting your designs.

I agree. I think this has  lot of potential but...
The back is cut off. The price is a little high for me (I wouldn't pay more than 7$ for it, regardless of the fact that it is plastic). There is little info on the two colors. We are missing a lot of info. I think you should edit it and that should get you many backers quickly. Good luck!

EDIT: Also, why is the goal so high if it costs 4500$ to print through Rajas? I honestly can't imagine it reaching such a high goal. NO offense.

Good points, it shouldnt take long to correct all that and we are printing 5000, and this new finish costs 1.5 each add kickstarter fees to that and shipping and you will realise that 8500 is quite reasonable.

[Don Boyer]

Well my goodness... I must just say that I'm not going to list all the things I don't like about this deck because I don't want to insult Reagan and add even more fuel to the fire, and I think I would be beating a dead horse... I really didn't expect the panty bunching that occurred relating to my post... hahaha... It's just that I've observed many of you tear apart much finer decks than this one in the past... So I looked again at the revisions and I have to say, "I just don't get it... I'm not seeing the same thing any of you are seeing apparently."  However, Reagan, If I've offended you I apologize, but I do believe you're over it already... It's nice to see how much love and support you have in these rooms... I hope you understand the respect many of people here have for you given the constructive criticism that has been posted (in all seriousness).

Well, you backed out of backing up your opinions on the deck, but you did offer what appears to be a sincere apology and a few words of support.  This, I like!    Just bear in mind that when offering an opinion in a public forum, don't be surprised that people will want you to give reasons behind that opinion.

@NathanCanadas - I recall Reagan wanted to make this deck on plastic, not paper.  That $4600 quote from Rajas posted a number of weeks ago was for 2500 deck with red backs and 2500 with blue backs, all on paper.

But to look at the other side of the coin, @ReaganM, you did just mention a finish, which plastic cards don't generally have.  So what's the story - paper or plastic?

[dee1orean]

When I first saw this deck I wasn't impressed with the Apes head on the back. The Sillouette version is better but I'd remove it altogether.
I really like the King though and maybe you could take on Krystles comment regarding his "Fashion Disaster" Lol, as I  kind of agree.
Finally, I would buy this deck..... If it were Paper. I just don't buy Plastic Cards.

Good luck with the kickstarter!

[lordlupus]

There isn't much info on the Kickstarter page and they are only 3 cards shown... not even the other color is shown.

Also, do you think you may have rushed this? It doesn't seem like you have spent enough time getting peoples opinions, and perfecting your designs.

You might be right, excuse me for being confident but if it fails it fails. Also The cards will probably a lot better near the end of it like the steampunk deck. But if Im wrong, oh well its kickstarter, it can only fail.

Because of your comment, I have decided not to back the project. I am not investing money in a project where the creator does not mind if it fails.

Good luck with your kickstarter. Hopefully it will "do a lot better near the end like the steampunk deck" for some reasons.

[Don Boyer]

There isn't much info on the Kickstarter page and they are only 3 cards shown... not even the other color is shown.

Also, do you think you may have rushed this? It doesn't seem like you have spent enough time getting peoples opinions, and perfecting your designs.

You might be right, excuse me for being confident but if it fails it fails. Also The cards will probably a lot better near the end of it like the steampunk deck. But if Im wrong, oh well its kickstarter, it can only fail.

Because of your comment, I have decided not to back the project. I am not investing money in a project where the creator does not mind if it fails.

Good luck with your kickstarter. Hopefully it will "do a lot better near the end like the steampunk deck" for some reasons.

I haven't committed yet one way or the other, but I have to agree with LordLupus in that it's a rather cavalier attitude to take towards your own work.  Never run roughshod over your customers if you plan to succeed.  Confidence has nothing to do with it.  If they think you're not committed, they will lose confidence in the project and it can snowball into a guaranteed failure.


You could have conveyed your message in a way that better indicated that you really want this made and that it's a labor of love.  Otherwise, you would be little better than Merz67, in that you're solely driven by profit and nothing more.

[ReaganM]

Well my goodness... I must just say that I'm not going to list all the things I don't like about this deck because I don't want to insult Reagan and add even more fuel to the fire, and I think I would be beating a dead horse... I really didn't expect the panty bunching that occurred relating to my post... hahaha... It's just that I've observed many of you tear apart much finer decks than this one in the past... So I looked again at the revisions and I have to say, "I just don't get it... I'm not seeing the same thing any of you are seeing apparently."  However, Reagan, If I've offended you I apologize, but I do believe you're over it already... It's nice to see how much love and support you have in these rooms... I hope you understand the respect many of people here have for you given the constructive criticism that has been posted (in all seriousness).

Well, you backed out of backing up your opinions on the deck, but you did offer what appears to be a sincere apology and a few words of support.  This, I like!    Just bear in mind that when offering an opinion in a public forum, don't be surprised that people will want you to give reasons behind that opinion.

@NathanCanadas - I recall Reagan wanted to make this deck on plastic, not paper.  That $4600 quote from Rajas posted a number of weeks ago was for 2500 deck with red backs and 2500 with blue backs, all on paper.

But to look at the other side of the coin, @ReaganM, you did just mention a finish, which plastic cards don't generally have.  So what's the story - paper or plastic?

Well its paper, but the finish makes it act like plastic in a lot of ways, only in good ways though. Like the snap, and the durability. Other than that the paper edges are sharp for good flourishing, and the cards are said to have great handeling.

@ lordlupus : sorry to hear that, its not that I dont want it to succceed I really really do Its just not the end of the world. I did say it in a pretty stupid way. A nicer way to say it would have been, that It wouldnt kill me to pick up the peices and try again. Of course those words have no meaning now. If you remember, on and off this topic I have defended my cards quite religously on some occasions.