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Re: Codename: Andreas, from Brahma Playing Cards
« Reply #50 on: September 18, 2012, 02:50:17 PM »
 

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COMING SOON: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/109454417/379278730?token=3056ae65&fb_source=message
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"This deck features exquisite artwork done by hand with a quill from Austrian artist Andreas Propst. Each deck comes in a metallic foil embossed box and is printed on quality 305 gsm German Black Core high performance playing card board with a quantum-grain linen casino grade finish.

The printer will be shipping them direct through DHL with free worldwide shipping - no hassles, no waiting. My last Kickstarter project (the Darkana tarot deck) was delayed by logistics and I had to ship them all myself, which caused a lot of issues. I am happy to report that these issues have all been resolved. " Dan Donche

STATS:

-1 set contains 55 poker playing cards
-Printed on 305 gsm German Black Core high -performance playing card board
-Quantum- Grain linen casino grade finish
-Metallic Foil Embossed Box to hold the cards
-Worldwid delivery in 3-5 business days with tracking


 

Re: New KS Project Darkana Surreal
« Reply #51 on: September 18, 2012, 07:45:05 PM »
 

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Somethings wrong with their prices, 1 deck is $23, 2 decks is $24, 3 decks is $28. Doesn't make sense at all.
 

Re: New KS Project Darkana Surreal
« Reply #52 on: September 19, 2012, 08:01:51 AM »
 

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NOW ON KICKSTARTER: Darkana Surreal Poker Playing Cards - Drawn with a quill!

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/109454417/darkana-surreal-poker-playing-cards-drawn-with-a-q
 

Re: Codename: Andreas, from Brahma Playing Cards
« Reply #53 on: September 19, 2012, 08:02:20 AM »
 

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NOW ON KICKSTARTER: Darkana Surreal Poker Playing Cards - Drawn with a quill!

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/109454417/darkana-surreal-poker-playing-cards-drawn-with-a-q
 

Re: Codename: Andreas, from Brahma Playing Cards
« Reply #54 on: September 19, 2012, 09:24:40 AM »
 

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i don't think this project can be funded because there are so many better decks!!!
 

Re: New KS Project Darkana Surreal
« Reply #55 on: September 20, 2012, 11:32:24 AM »
 

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This was the old "Codename: Andreas" deck from Rajas Paranjpe/Brahma Playing Cards. I'll merge this with the other topic.
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Re: KS Deck: Darkana Surreal (formerly Codename: Andreas by Brahma P.C.)
« Reply #56 on: September 21, 2012, 11:11:29 PM »
 

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Unfortunately the prices seem to high, I mean $23 for 1 deck and then 2 decks is only 1 dollar more? Something is wrong with that.
 

Re: Codename: Andreas, from Brahma Playing Cards
« Reply #57 on: September 21, 2012, 11:30:37 PM »
 

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i don't think this project can be funded because there are so many better decks!!!

Agreed 100%.

Not to mention I received one of the Steampunk decks printed by Brahma and was absolutely and utterly disappointed in the quality.
Maybe they've got their stuff together this go around.
 

Re: KS Deck: Darkana Surreal (formerly Codename: Andreas by Brahma P.C.)
« Reply #58 on: September 21, 2012, 11:53:23 PM »
 

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Well, I've got to say it: I'm really fond of this kind of drawing and I think it would make a sweet deck.

Unfortunately, as some folks noticed before me, bad timing for a KS launch. Not to mention the eccentric pricing method.

I know this is the final version of the deck but, since it would hardly be funded this time, I've got some constructive criticism on the deck:

IMHO, main problem is mirroring. The way court cards were drawn prevent them from being properly mirrored. When I say properly mirrored, I mean they lack continuity from one side to another (as shown on the attached image).

(Please, disregard any language mistakes I may have made. I'm from Brazil and my english isn't great.)
 

Re: KS Deck: Darkana Surreal (formerly Codename: Andreas by Brahma P.C.)
« Reply #59 on: September 22, 2012, 01:34:16 AM »
 

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Well, I've got to say it: I'm really fond of this kind of drawing and I think it would make a sweet deck.

Unfortunately, as some folks noticed before me, bad timing for a KS launch. Not to mention the eccentric pricing method.

I know this is the final version of the deck but, since it would hardly be funded this time, I've got some constructive criticism on the deck:

IMHO, main problem is mirroring. The way court cards were drawn prevent them from being properly mirrored. When I say properly mirrored, I mean they lack continuity from one side to another (as shown on the attached image).

(Please, disregard any language mistakes I may have made. I'm from Brazil and my english isn't great.)

Your English is fine; better than many of the posters around here, even ones for whom English is their native language!  :))

The eccentric pricing has to do with the decks being drop-shipped from Brahma Playing Cards, Mumbai, India.  It costs $X to ship one deck via DHL, then just a little more to ship an extra deck.  It's also meant to encourage more decks sold - you can get a brick for only $5 a deck.

The timing is very, VERY bad.  There's a huge number of decks in the market now, and the new restrictions in place from Kickstarter discouraging wholesale/retail buyers dramatically slash the amount of money available.  The new regulations don't permit a deck project to sell more than a dozen decks at any given reward level.

Re the mirroring, he's actually using the style of the late 19th-century Rouen designs from France - they didn't mirror their cards, instead just painting half a card and rotating the same image 180 degrees to maintain symmetry of design.  Remember, this entire deck was created with quill and ink, not a computer graphics suite - in other words, he's using 19th-century technology to create his designs.  The amount of work required is phenomenal, far beyond what many people would even consider.  Some deck designs could practically be banged out in a single afternoon - this is NOT one of them.

It's a shame that the funding for it is so low - I think it was below 20% when I looked.
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Re: KS Deck: Darkana Surreal (formerly Codename: Andreas by Brahma P.C.)
« Reply #60 on: September 22, 2012, 02:02:49 AM »
 

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not trying to discourage any artist but you have to be realistic.

not many people care about how much effort and time an artist put into their work. the reality is it has to get commercialized. majority of the people just have to like it. it can be detail or it can be simple.

I know a lot of people hates the color change but the reality is ..it works. people just buy them. The company makes more money and they have more resource to actually make a new deck.

you really have to consider yourself (if you are the artist) on payroll. the more time you spend the higher the cost. even if kickstarter is fully funded but the X amount of net profit dollar gain doesn't add up to your payroll then it just means that you wasted time or you lost money.

if this is the first deck you are trying to create then obviously you are setting yourself up for failure. better to pull out than spend more time. time is money every second you spend on a failing project is money you are draining from another project.


I really believe that people have a misconception that kickstarter is a place you start your dream and people pledge because they "support" you.  If you still think this way. THINK AGAIN! that line is only valid to people that are pledge. kickstarter has to give an illusion that people aren't "buying" they are supporting a dream which work out perfect for them. they are the top crow funding platform. but if you are a artist, kickstarter is a good platform to get your first bucket of cash. so you must consider all expense.

sounds harsh that's what i think. if anyone that disagree please PM me or we can start a new thread. i just don't want this to take over the main focus.
 

Re: KS Deck: Darkana Surreal (formerly Codename: Andreas by Brahma P.C.)
« Reply #61 on: September 22, 2012, 02:41:17 AM »
 

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not trying to discourage any artist but you have to be realistic.

not many people care about how much effort and time an artist put into their work. the reality is it has to get commercialized. majority of the people just have to like it. it can be detail or it can be simple.

I know a lot of people hates the color change but the reality is ..it works. people just buy them. The company makes more money and they have more resource to actually make a new deck.

you really have to consider yourself (if you are the artist) on payroll. the more time you spend the higher the cost. even if kickstarter is fully funded but the X amount of net profit dollar gain doesn't add up to your payroll then it just means that you wasted time or you lost money.

if this is the first deck you are trying to create then obviously you are setting yourself up for failure. better to pull out than spend more time. time is money every second you spend on a failing project is money you are draining from another project.


I really believe that people have a misconception that kickstarter is a place you start your dream and people pledge because they "support" you.  If you still think this way. THINK AGAIN! that line is only valid to people that are pledge. kickstarter has to give an illusion that people aren't "buying" they are supporting a dream which work out perfect for them. they are the top crow funding platform. but if you are a artist, kickstarter is a good platform to get your first bucket of cash. so you must consider all expense.

sounds harsh that's what i think. if anyone that disagree please PM me or we can start a new thread. i just don't want this to take over the main focus.

Yeah, you seem to be covering a broader topic than just this one deck of cards.  Perhaps making a new topic (if you wish to pursue the thread further) would be a good idea.

While this deck project is not made by the project creator, he did make a preceding deck of tarot cards that looks VERY cool.

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/109454417/darkana-tarot-deck

I'd LOVE to see playing cards done in the same style as the original Darkana Tarot deck.
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