Vända (Crimson Edition) deck is coming to kickstarter soon!

[davegk]

thinner borders...
i like em
-David

[xela]

I love the red deck.

I can't wait to see the faces.

[Evan]

The simpler back design is growing on me 

[Don Boyer]

The thinner borders look sexy, bro!


Maybe you should change your topic title?  Just "modify" your first post, change the topic there and save - you're golden.

[davegk]

Thanks and thanks and done....although now the subject of every reply has "cobalt" while the thread topic says "crimson" ...is that confusing?

Evan: glad to hear you're liking the simpler design more now. Once you have the cards in hand you'll like it even more - the digital version doesn't do justice to the simple elegance...these things look fabulous when printed?

[Don Boyer]

Thanks and thanks and done....although now the subject of every reply has "cobalt" while the thread topic says "crimson" ...is that confusing?

Evan: glad to hear you're liking the simpler design more now. Once you have the cards in hand you'll like it even more - the digital version doesn't do justice to the simple elegance...these things look fabulous when printed?

It'll be fine.  See - my reply already says Crimson!

[davegk]

hmm...Brahma's design department won't let me print borders that thin, apparently. So, the proof deck might not have such thin borders, but I'm hoping the final deck will...
-David

[Evan]

hmm...Brahma's design department won't let me print borders that thin, apparently. So, the proof deck might not have such thin borders, but I'm hoping the final deck will...
-David

From what I've heard, Bramha's recent decks have had terrible handling. Plus, you'll probably get more customers if you go with USPCC.

[davegk]

The actual decks will be printed by USPCC...I'm just getting a proof to use for the promo video/photos.
-David

[loldudex2]

I was on the same boat with Evan. I didn't like the simpler design at all, but the more that I look at it, the more I love it!

[Russell CircleCityCards]

The actual decks will be printed by USPCC...I'm just getting a proof to use for the promo video/photos.
-David

Psssst...  USPCC will make you a proof.


Having a proof from another company with different printers and paper is kind of missing the point of a proof.  If you do go with a cheap proof, DONT talk about how it handles or do any flourishing crap. It won't matter. 




---SIDE RANT---
Also, this goes to everyone reviewing decks... slow down the tuck-box spinning. YouTube has horrible bit-rates and even in HD it blurs. Also Also, stop reading the box, we can see what it says.
---END RANT---

[davegk]

Yes, I know USPCC will make a proof...but they'll also charge $450 for it compared to the $50 proof from Brahma.
I will probably get a USPCC proof deck made before ordering the actual run, to make sure everything looks perfect, but I'd rather not spend that much money before seeing if there's enough interest to actually make the project successful.

If the Brahma proof deck is unusable for demonstration purposes, I can always get a USPCC proof to shoot the video with, but for the low price I figured it was worth a try

Also, the Vända deck is designed for more practical magic effects. One of the key features for magicians will be cool-looking color changes, which I think will work fine for the demo even if the cards don't handle as well for flourishes.

-David

[xela]

Yes, I know USPCC will make a proof...but they'll also charge $450 for it compared to the $50 proof from Brahma.
I will probably get a USPCC proof deck made before ordering the actual run, to make sure everything looks perfect, but I'd rather not spend that much money before seeing if there's enough interest to actually make the project successful.

If the Brahma proof deck is unusable for demonstration purposes, I can always get a USPCC proof to shoot the video with, but for the low price I figured it was worth a try

Also, the Vända deck is designed for more practical magic effects. One of the key features for magicians will be cool-looking color changes, which I think will work fine for the demo even if the cards don't handle as well for flourishes.

-David

USPCC gives you free proofs on their printers as long as you don't require any box assembly or any cards printed with the finish on them.

They print it through their photo printer, but everything seems to be calibrated properly since my proofs were identical to my prototypes which were identical to the final production run, which the exception that the dimples do reduce quality and sharpness.

[davegk]

But don't I need to submit payment to USPCC for the production run before they'll send a free proof?
-David

[Lara Krystle "Lane"]

Hi David. Welcome to the discourse, and I have to say I am loving the updated design on your deck. Thinner boarders look more sleek and the simple design compared to the first one is much more appealing to the eyes and I like the deck now.

Keep up the good work!

[Don Boyer]

hmm...Brahma's design department won't let me print borders that thin, apparently. So, the proof deck might not have such thin borders, but I'm hoping the final deck will...
-David

From what I've heard, Bramha's recent decks have had terrible handling. Plus, you'll probably get more customers if you go with USPCC.

It's not terrible handling so much as it is customer issues.  That Steampunk deck has been reprinted by them something like six times because there's always something wrong.

When it comes to "proofs", USPC can make a prototype deck for about $250.  It was my understanding that simple proof sheets were less expensive than this, as long as you weren't looking for a fully finished product and simply wanted to see if colors, alignment, etc. were all acceptable.

[davegk]

Heh..."terrible handling" and "customer issues" are two very different problems.

I've approved the artwork proof for my Brahma proof deck so I guess I'll find out for myself in a couple weeks how the quality is on their printing and handling - I'll be sure to post my thoughts on the result here.

-David

[xela]

But don't I need to submit payment to USPCC for the production run before they'll send a free proof?
-David

I didn't sign any contracts or pay USPCC a penny until it was time to print the actual decks. By this time, I had received four full deck prototypes, a few proofs from their printer for the tuck case and backs, and .pdf proofs of the finished product.

[davegk]

Don:
Earlier this month, I was told the following through correspondence with Tiffany at USPCC:
"If you need a mock up deck the cost for that will be added to your contract ($450.00) as an art fee."
Is a "mock up deck" different from the prototype deck you got for $250?

-David

[RandyButterfield]

Don:
Earlier this month, I was told the following through correspondence with Tiffany at USPCC:
"If you need a mock up deck the cost for that will be added to your contract ($450.00) as an art fee."
Is a "mock up deck" different from the prototype deck you got for $250?

-David

From what I understand USPCC recently changed there pricing on the Protodecks to $450 and are now charging $250 for the previously free uncut Proofs. We went with just the uncut Proof since we didn't need a Protodeck to shoot a trailer. The ORNATE trailer is all 3d.

thanks, Randy

[xela]

Don:
Earlier this month, I was told the following through correspondence with Tiffany at USPCC:
"If you need a mock up deck the cost for that will be added to your contract ($450.00) as an art fee."
Is a "mock up deck" different from the prototype deck you got for $250?

-David

From what I understand USPCC recently changed there pricing on the Protodecks to $450 and are now charging $250 for the previously free uncut Proofs. We went with just the uncut Proof since we didn't need a Protodeck to shoot a trailer. The ORNATE trailer is all 3d.

thanks, Randy

Wow... glad I don't have to deal with that kind of stuff anymore.

They also charge $25 per uncut sheet now, whereas before they used to be the cost of a deck.

[davegk]

The quote I received listed uncut sheets at $5 each...that was dated July 3rd.

-David

[xela]

The quote I received listed uncut sheets at $5 each...that was dated July 3rd.

-David

Glad to see they dropped the price back down, I still have their "2012 contract" that has it at $25 each. My guess is they got a lot of complaints.

[Don Boyer]

Don:
Earlier this month, I was told the following through correspondence with Tiffany at USPCC:
"If you need a mock up deck the cost for that will be added to your contract ($450.00) as an art fee."
Is a "mock up deck" different from the prototype deck you got for $250?

-David

From what I understand USPCC recently changed there pricing on the Protodecks to $450 and are now charging $250 for the previously free uncut Proofs. We went with just the uncut Proof since we didn't need a Protodeck to shoot a trailer. The ORNATE trailer is all 3d.

thanks, Randy

The quote I received listed uncut sheets at $5 each...that was dated July 3rd.

-David

Glad to see they dropped the price back down, I still have their "2012 contract" that has it at $25 each. My guess is they got a lot of complaints.

Is it just me, or does USPC's pricing seem to change with the winds?  In a tornado?

[davegk]

So I was just looking through the kickstarter reward guidelines and it clearly states:

What's prohibited:
[...]
Rewards in bulk quantities (more than ten of an item)

Obviously every card deck project on the site so far has offered bulk rewards - was this a recent change by kickstarter, or do they just let this rule slide?

-David