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Re: Bicycle Army Men (KS) - a "Successful" Failure
« Reply #50 on: May 18, 2013, 08:39:19 AM »
 

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Alex your right, This is all new to me, as far as marketing and the right contacts that could help


What project is it?  I don't have time to take on another KS project but I can advise you.

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you should also take note that Don is very creative with KS as well. 
 

Re: Bicycle Army Men (KS) - a "Successful" Failure
« Reply #51 on: May 20, 2013, 11:28:25 PM »
 

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Hey, at least this guy admitted to screwing up.
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Went completely AWOL.
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Re: Bicycle Army Men (KS) - a "Successful" Failure
« Reply #52 on: May 28, 2013, 04:40:41 PM »
 

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Also of note, Adam had a successful KS campaign (co-campaigner) AFTER the Army Men fiasco. Non-playing card related.
 

Re: Bicycle Army Men (KS) - a "Successful" Failure
« Reply #53 on: May 29, 2013, 12:22:29 AM »
 

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Also of note, Adam had a successful KS campaign (co-campaigner) AFTER the Army Men fiasco. Non-playing card related.

Really?  Where?  All I see are his two decks, first being "Bicyle Revision 1" and second being this Army Men mess.  If he created any additional projects, he's using a secret identity for them...

I got a Kickstarter questionnaire from him a week or two ago, the most unique one I've ever seen.  He states about the failure of the project and asks about the refund method I prefer, giving the choices of refund through PayPal (finally), refund by SASE that you send him and "keep the money".  I replied I wanted PayPal and stated further that he should do the right thing for his foreign backers and offer refunds through the method they paid him with, Amazon Payments, since not all of them can join PayPal or get a SA(US-postage)SE to send him.

The refund has not yet arrived.
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Re: Bicycle Army Men (KS) - a "Successful" Failure
« Reply #54 on: May 29, 2013, 12:51:15 AM »
 

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Looks like he started a project with his brother, after the Army Men deck was funded. Some kind of custom speaker system.

Link to KS project
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1969365167/bluetube-audio-vacuum-tube-amplifier-with-built-in

Link to company website
http://www.bluetubeaudio.com/pages/about-us


Updates on KS mentions delay in shipping.  There is a comment from a backer about progress. Most of the pledge levels had an estimated delivery in April. Some in May.
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Re: Bicycle Army Men (KS) - a "Successful" Failure
« Reply #55 on: May 29, 2013, 09:38:03 AM »
 

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Rob beat me to it. Yes, it's a Bluetooth amplifier KS. I found it while reading through the Army Men mega-thread over on KS. Ironically enough, he has apparently been plenty chatty with all of the backers on that project, while (until recently) ignoring the Army Men backers. You'd think that he could use his share of the profits (if any) from the amplifier project to make things right with the AM backers.

They ended up with $69,399 with an initial goal of $35,000.

in addition to KS updates, they have a webpage for the project, and there's a blog for additional backer updates: http://www.bluetubeaudio.com/blogs/news 
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Re: Bicycle Army Men (KS) - a "Successful" Failure
« Reply #56 on: May 29, 2013, 10:59:43 AM »
 

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Rob beat me to it. Yes, it's a Bluetooth amplifier KS. I found it while reading through the Army Men mega-thread over on KS. Ironically enough, he has apparently been plenty chatty with all of the backers on that project, while (until recently) ignoring the Army Men backers. You'd think that he could use his share of the profits (if any) from the amplifier project to make things right with the AM backers.

They ended up with $69,399 with an initial goal of $35,000.

in addition to KS updates, they have a webpage for the project, and there's a blog for additional backer updates: http://www.bluetubeaudio.com/blogs/news

I'm thinking for that project, his brother's more of a lead partner, which would be a big reason how it's managed to stay on track.

Adam's had what could only be considered a "cascade failure" on this project, as I see it.  He had the cease-and-desist to deal with and it was a real issue.  It probably did hold him up from being more open and honest about the goings-on - plus I'm sure an attorney had to be hired and paid for.  Then he needed cash and took what he assumed would be profits and spent it on student loans, was it?  As time dragged on, he had more issues - USPC raised their rates to make the cards while the USPS raised their rates to send them in the mail.  It took so long to come to an agreement with whomever was arguing trademarks with him that this was the final straw that caused the whole thing to go down the tubes.  It's entirely possible that even if he hadn't borrowed against his KS income, the project would still have crashed because of that.

In theory, yes, he could have done what the Bicycle Black Tie project did - and I recommend that deck, it's very cool - and created a second KS project to help the first when the money fell short.  But I guess he believed that he'd already "poisoned the well" in terms of dealing with his backers in a manner they would have considered "in good faith".  The lack of communications created a wedge that was driven deep between him and most of them.

I can only imagine what the hell is going on with Bicycle: the CORE, Tim Niou's project.  He showed photos of the shipment of cards from USPC, so they got made - and he and his cards proceeded to vanish from Kickstarter, never to be heard from again.  The current theory is that college and finals kept him too busy to deal with it all - but how on earth would that have stopped him from firing off a quick update, along the lines of "Sorry, gang, I'm still alive but swamped with work, I'll get your cards to you after this dies down."  At the worst, he could have sacrificed brushing his teeth one evening, because that's bout as long as such an update would have taken...
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Re: Bicycle Army Men (KS) - a "Successful" Failure
« Reply #57 on: May 29, 2013, 02:01:46 PM »
 

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Just packing/shipping 5 packages a day would have shown good intent, and would have kept most backers satisfied that better days/more packages shipped would be ahead. I didn't pledge on that one either, but I have been following it with fascination as well. It's hard to imagine those boxes of cards on the pallets, just jammed into a corner with junk piled on top of them! I'm sure that when two pallets show up, and you open one box and see the dozens of cards inside, that can get VERY overwhelming in a HURRY, but still. Any effort is better than no effort, at least in my eyes.

As for Army Men, I would still use my share of amp profits to make things right. I wouldn't be able to sleep otherwise and based on the stress that he claims that he has gone through as a result of this failure, I don't see how he could think anything other than repayment to backers. It's easy to say when you're in different shoes although the second project, even with his brother potentially running the show, with the tons of extra money and updates on multiple sites has to be a tough pill to swallow for the poor Army Men backers.

He'd better do the right thing, and quick. If anyone follows through on the lawsuit, he will be in a MUCH bigger world of hurt, in very short order. Hanfree as the precedent looms large over him.
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Re: Bicycle Army Men (KS) - a "Successful" Failure
« Reply #58 on: May 29, 2013, 02:52:15 PM »
 

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I was not around for the Army Men project, but I would have backed it. I think it was a really cool project. You would think Adam would have checked on copyright issues before going on KS. One wonders if he spoke to USPC first. I would think that someone there would have said something. I think this goes back to a lot of project designers not doing enough research. This could of been a great project for him, but appears was doomed from the beginning. In all fairness to Adam. The speaker project came out right after the Army Men project was funded, and before it failed.
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Re: Bicycle Army Men (KS) - a "Successful" Failure
« Reply #59 on: May 29, 2013, 03:40:41 PM »
 

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Isn't he offering PayPal refunds now?

EDIT: Also, refunding $16k or whatever he raised at once is a huge undertaking. Even for a company like Ellusionist it would be a massive blow, but in his case KS and Amazon already took their fees (about 8-10%). Add to that any costs he may have encountered during pre-production, and I could see why it would be an issue for him to come up with $2-3k right off the bat. I am not sure what the current tax laws are, but if the project ended in 2012 then he has already paid income tax on the money.

On the other hand, not every backer will want a refund. I had backers that paid but never responded to surveys, so naturally I am sure backers won't respond to his survey either.

I hope this info gives you guys a little perspective about what's going on behind the scenes.

Also, manually refunding via PayPal is still a fucking nightmare. Pages take ages to load, it logs you out every couple minutes, you have to manually verify every refund request to its backer, etc. **It fucking baffles me that KS/Amazon have no method of reversing charges!**
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Re: Bicycle Army Men (KS) - a "Successful" Failure
« Reply #60 on: May 29, 2013, 11:33:06 PM »
 

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He'd better do the right thing, and quick. If anyone follows through on the lawsuit, he will be in a MUCH bigger world of hurt, in very short order. Hanfree as the precedent looms large over him.

Actually, he probably is within what's required under his state's law - if he had to retain a lawyer to deal with the copyright issues, I'm sure he consulted about this as well.  By the time any lawsuit would wind its way through the courts, he will likely have met most if not all of his legal obligations.  But should he fail to do so, then he's got problems.

I was not around for the Army Men project, but I would have backed it. I think it was a really cool project. You would think Adam would have checked on copyright issues before going on KS. One wonders if he spoke to USPC first. I would think that someone there would have said something. I think this goes back to a lot of project designers not doing enough research. This could of been a great project for him, but appears was doomed from the beginning. In all fairness to Adam. The speaker project came out right after the Army Men project was funded, and before it failed.

It's not always so cut and dried.  I wonder whether it would even be USPC doing the research regarding the ownership of the copyrights on your deck - I'd bet they have some clause in their contract that puts the onus on the creator and holds him/her responsible if things go south.  Alex would know better than I would.

Isn't he offering PayPal refunds now?

EDIT: Also, refunding $16k or whatever he raised at once is a huge undertaking. Even for a company like Ellusionist it would be a massive blow, but in his case KS and Amazon already took their fees (about 8-10%). Add to that any costs he may have encountered during pre-production, and I could see why it would be an issue for him to come up with $2-3k right off the bat. I am not sure what the current tax laws are, but if the project ended in 2012 then he has already paid income tax on the money.

On the other hand, not every backer will want a refund. I had backers that paid but never responded to surveys, so naturally I am sure backers won't respond to his survey either.

I hope this info gives you guys a little perspective about what's going on behind the scenes.

Also, manually refunding via PayPal is still a fucking nightmare. Pages take ages to load, it logs you out every couple minutes, you have to manually verify every refund request to its backer, etc. **It fucking baffles me that KS/Amazon have no method of reversing charges!**

He is offering PayPal refunds, but he's also stating that PayPal is available everywhere to everyone, at least in a message to me.  I know that's not the case - it SHOULD have been easier to refund through Amazon Payments, emphasis on SHOULD.
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Re: Bicycle Army Men (KS) - a "Successful" Failure
« Reply #61 on: June 08, 2013, 02:50:41 PM »
 

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You'd think that given that very afternoon after requesting a self addressed stamped envelope, one went out to him, or within hours of requesting the paypal email, he received it, I may have been one of the first in line to receive the refund that was promised... No such luck as of yet... Think he's sore about the whole FBI thing??? 
 

Re: Bicycle Army Men (KS) - a "Successful" Failure
« Reply #62 on: June 09, 2013, 05:22:57 AM »
 

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You'd think that given that very afternoon after requesting a self addressed stamped envelope, one went out to him, or within hours of requesting the paypal email, he received it, I may have been one of the first in line to receive the refund that was promised... No such luck as of yet... Think he's sore about the whole FBI thing???

The project had over 600 backers.  Even if fifteen percent never asked for anything back, you'd still have a chance of about 0.2% of being the first request, or 10% of being one of the first fifty - notwithstanding the timeliness of your request, of course.  Regardless, only one of the 605 of us can be first, and only ten of us can be the first ten, etc.

If I was a betting man, I'd bet he's trying to hang on to the money for as long as legally possible in order to earn the maximum amount of "float" (interest) he can on it.  While it's probably not enough to make up for the funding shortfall by itself, it could make enough of a dent that it would help him to a noticeable degree.
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Re: Bicycle Army Men (KS) - a "Successful" Failure
« Reply #63 on: June 11, 2013, 03:23:51 PM »
 

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Adam is issuing Paypal refunds btw, I got mine today and it looks quite a few others have as well.
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Re: Bicycle Army Men (KS) - a "Successful" Failure
« Reply #64 on: June 11, 2013, 11:51:21 PM »
 

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As I was quite vocal regarding my opinions of Adam, I will be one of the first to admit that I received an entire refund today.  I thank Adam for being an honorable person and refunding my pledge.  It was the right thing to do and for me balance has somewhat been restored.  I hope you all have similar experiences and receive back the funds you are owed.  Good luck and happy collecting...
 

Re: Bicycle Army Men (KS) - a "Successful" Failure
« Reply #65 on: June 12, 2013, 12:18:24 AM »
 

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Adam is issuing Paypal refunds btw, I got mine today and it looks quite a few others have as well.

I haven't yet, but as I stated, only one person can be first, right?
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« Reply #66 on: June 12, 2013, 05:42:16 AM »
 

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I've received my refund yesterday.
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