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What is it exactly that you guys don't like? There's so many comments about being disappointed, but so little explanation. Does every deck that's release have to have metallic, full-custom court cards and a crapload of gimmick features?
I already pretty much answered this, but I'll just emphasize that as competition increases in design, with more and more decks coming out with lots of customization, very intricate and beautiful designs, metallic ink and whatever else, the standard for decks is constantly being raised. I do appreciate a simple design (again some of my favorite decks include White Lions, Vintage Plaid, Bee Stingers, etc.).
It's really annoying to see that so many people say they're "disappointed" yet fail to see even the simplest details in a deck. You guys have been so stuffed with the big things that you don't see the subtlety anymore.
Maybe you'd like to point out some of these details that we so clearly missed? I'm not quite so sure what you mean by simple details in these decks since the Rebels/Sultans actually have pretty detailed back designs. You can put a lot of detail in a back design, but it can still feel uninspired.
A lot of times it does come down to personal taste, and I'll use the comparison of White Lions and Players as an example. The designs are very similar in style, and have a simple yet elegant feel to them. I wasn't a fan of the Players partially because there was too much blank space on the back design that made it feel empty. Also because there wasn't a ton of hype surrounding the deck that ended up being a letdown.
Of course everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but at least try to have an educated one.
and lol at this. Who made you the expert on what constitutes good personal taste in a back design? Probably the most pretentious thing I've seen on these forums
Sr15, he does design work - do you? He does have a clearer idea of the REASONS why a deck is or isn't well-defined. Perhaps you're the one that's being pretentious?
When someone tosses out the idea that "metallic ink would make this better" - in what way would that make it better? Should they have simply splattered it all over the place? That statement is not an educated one. The same applies to someone who simply tosses out that they're "disappointed" but doesn't say why.
Your opinion actually had some of the thought behind it that he was looking for, smartass. You gave details for why you felt what you felt in terms of the design.
Make sure the next time you touch the keyboard with the intent of disrespecting someone in the community for no intelligent reason, shift your brain into drive for a few minutes first. You'll find that you go much further and people will give a damn about what you're saying. And if you think that's the most pretentious thing here, you haven't been around much, have you?
It's funny how correct sr15 is, you say there is no explanation of why we're not impressed by this deck then list the very reasons we stated, derp?
Your second argument is highly flawed, if individuals say they were "underwhelmed" or "disappointed," then clearly they did see the subtlety, but that it was too bland/simple. They recognise the deck is not too cluttered, not too outreaching, or subtle as you put it (which seems to be an incorrect use of the term as subtle implies there is an overall detail or theme being expressed by the lack of detail, which you do not mention or explain) but due to this are disappointed. furthermore, rather than a subtle design, the term simple may have been the more correct choice.
Furthermore, as sr15 has pointed out your final statement is hilarious. How do you have an educated opinion about a deck design. Are you meant to quote techniques used in the printing or design? Presumably not, as that would be a quite unreasonable and unrealistic. If anything, the opinions stated on this forums should be paid attention to by the big playing cards company as it is valuable first-hand feedback from their target market.
I'll that this a paragraph at a time.
First: allow me to quote you - AGAIN.
with a bit metallic ink back design this deck could've been much better.Your sentence structure is atrocious. I make the occasional typo but that sentence is incomplete as written. But let's put that aside for now - in what way does adding metallic ink improve this deck's design? Where would you add it? What colors? You give ZERO details, none. We aren't mind readers, so we have no freakin' idea of what you're talking about, and not because it's somehow over our heads.
Second: someone who simply states they're "underwhelmed" or "disappointed" isn't necessarily saying they've seen a single iota of the design's subtlety. And read this from Google Dictionary:
subtle - adj.
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- (esp. of a change or distinction) So delicate or precise as to be difficult to analyze or describe.
- (of a mixture or effect) Delicately complex and understated.
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So before you complain or make statements about subtlety (or any other fifty-cent word), you might actually want to learn what it MEANS, first. It has ZERO to do with a lack of detail, everything to do with understated complexity - it's practically the opposite of a lack of detail. It implies greater, less obvious detail - so you really couldn't assume someone spotted that when they say nothing about it.
And finally, paragraph three. The person you're talking about? You have ZERO knowledge of who he is. He actually does have some idea about design, seeing as how he's been putting together a deck of his own that looks great, based on the preliminary artwork. So, he does in fact speak with authority rather than speaking out of his ass...
So far, you've added up to triple-zeroes... And all the man was asking for was an actual, honest reason as to why people were so quick to pan the deck without offering a solid reason about why.
You know, Moon, I agree with that statement completely. I'm going to grant this deck has a nice back design and fronts but its nothing special and certainly not anything I'd rush out for. Adding to what you said, I'd like to bring up one important thing that no one has talked about or even considered. It's somewhat worrying. What I wanted to bring up was; HANDLING. Who here gives a flying caboodle? Honestly, does no one care? It's a trend I've noticed of late. Also, a deck, like Moon said, doesn't always have to have the whole bells and whistles on it with custom court cards and metallic inks. That 's what everybody focuses on. Take Aladdins and Arrcos for example, beautiful cards and they handle nicely, Yet they don't need all of those fandangled things. Sure, those things are nice, but not exactly aesthetically necessary. Just my 10 cents worth on the topic...
It's not that people don't care about the handling as much as it is that the handling of a pack straight out of the box is almost uniformly good on any USPC-made deck. It's one of the reasons why I find so many deck reviews a bit lacking, especially when one is opening the deck for the first time on camera and calling it a "review" of the deck when it can truly only cover the design. Use it daily for two weeks and then tell me how it performs.
No offense to you - I find yours to be among the better ones. Well edited, informed opinions, you recognize that we can read the box so you don't have to go into detail on that, and it's blessedly short.
It's also called the "Sultan," its quite all right to say yes a deck doesn't need to be all decked out as it were with metallic ink, or fancy designs, but when your essentially calling yourself king, I'd expect the theme to follow on with the name.
In what way? What would you do, if anything, to express that idea? Show the thinking behind your idea. "Sultan" may be synonymous to "king", but it's not entirely identical, in the same way that Elizabeth II isn't called "Her Royal Highness, the Sultaness". So, beyond the yet-to-be-specified application of metallic ink, what would you do?
