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Rare decks: to open, or not to open?
« on: October 19, 2012, 01:03:15 AM »
 

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Regarding those other Asher decks, I'd say it depends on how you collect.  The first deck is Bee casino stock with a Stinger back.  The second deck is the same stock with a standard Diamond Back pattern, something Vegas no longer uses, and it comes in two colors as well.  Both are high-grade decks made in the now-defunct Cincinnati plant for casinos that no longer exist, so they'll never be made again.


The third deck is made by Angel Playing Cards out of Japan.  Their quality is very good - I own "Club Angel" casino-grade decks and they handle a lot like Bees, though not with as good a finish.  A few magicians have performed with them on their videos.  They're not as good for flourishing, but they're awesome for magic and just plain playing.

Thank you very much Don for explaining all the details to me!
I like the Ace of Spades of the Japanese deck, but the back design...
I will get two in that case, so that I can open one deck and fell it ;)

Would anyone open the JN or any Rare deck if you ONLY have ONE deck in your collection??
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« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2012, 01:17:31 AM »
 

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Regarding those other Asher decks, I'd say it depends on how you collect.  The first deck is Bee casino stock with a Stinger back.  The second deck is the same stock with a standard Diamond Back pattern, something Vegas no longer uses, and it comes in two colors as well.  Both are high-grade decks made in the now-defunct Cincinnati plant for casinos that no longer exist, so they'll never be made again.


The third deck is made by Angel Playing Cards out of Japan.  Their quality is very good - I own "Club Angel" casino-grade decks and they handle a lot like Bees, though not with as good a finish.  A few magicians have performed with them on their videos.  They're not as good for flourishing, but they're awesome for magic and just plain playing.

Thank you very much Don for explaining all the details to me!
I like the Ace of Spades of the Japanese deck, but the back design...
I will get two in that case, so that I can open one deck and fell it ;)

Would anyone open the JN or any Rare deck if you ONLY have ONE deck in your collection??


I have, many times - but I'm having trouble building up enough of a reason to crack open my vintage decks.  I only own a few of them, anyway, and some were purchased opened.


Rarest modern deck I opened was "Broken Spell."  NO ONE sells the blasted things - I got mine at a charity auction for Japanese tsunami/earthquake/nuclear disaster victims.  You can look it up on Kickstarter, it was possibly the first deck project, or at least among the first.  I've also opened Gold Seal White New Fan Backs (only 1,000 made) and White Monarchs.  BG1E, Gold Arcane, Red Artifice...  I usually open one, and if it's the only one I have, I open it.
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Re: Rare decks: to open, or not to open?
« Reply #2 on: October 19, 2012, 03:54:41 AM »
 

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Rarest modern deck I opened was "Broken Spell."  NO ONE sells the blasted things - I got mine at a charity auction for Japanese tsunami/earthquake/nuclear disaster victims.  You can look it up on Kickstarter, it was possibly the first deck project, or at least among the first.  I've also opened Gold Seal White New Fan Backs (only 1,000 made) and White Monarchs.  BG1E, Gold Arcane, Red Artifice...  I usually open one, and if it's the only one I have, I open it.

The "Broken Spell" deck is rare?
I had absolutely no clue.  I was at the small press expo last month in Bethesda and one of the creators of the deck had a table where she had 3 or 4 of the decks for sale ( I think she was asking $15) along with some of her comics. I picked one up "because, addiction".
She had a sample there open, the art was nice but the card quality was low (definitely an art deck not a performance deck). I actually opened my deck up that evening at the hotel and was going to get her to sign the card she contributed to the deck, unfortunately she wasn't there the next day, she had a friend manning her table.

My point is, the things you run into when you aren't expecting.
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« Reply #3 on: October 19, 2012, 04:02:54 AM »
 

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Rarest modern deck I opened was "Broken Spell."  NO ONE sells the blasted things - I got mine at a charity auction for Japanese tsunami/earthquake/nuclear disaster victims.  You can look it up on Kickstarter, it was possibly the first deck project, or at least among the first.  I've also opened Gold Seal White New Fan Backs (only 1,000 made) and White Monarchs.  BG1E, Gold Arcane, Red Artifice...  I usually open one, and if it's the only one I have, I open it.

The "Broken Spell" deck is rare?
I had absolutely no clue.  I was at the small press expo last month in Bethesda and one of the creators of the deck had a table where she had 3 or 4 of the decks for sale ( I think she was asking $15) along with some of her comics. I picked one up "because, addiction".
She had a sample there open, the art was nice but the card quality was low (definitely an art deck not a performance deck). I actually opened my deck up that evening at the hotel and was going to get her to sign the card she contributed to the deck, unfortunately she wasn't there the next day, she had a friend manning her table.

My point is, the things you run into when you aren't expecting.

lol if only captain hindsight was there, he could've saved you
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« Reply #4 on: October 19, 2012, 08:56:38 AM »
 

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Rarest modern deck I opened was "Broken Spell."  NO ONE sells the blasted things - I got mine at a charity auction for Japanese tsunami/earthquake/nuclear disaster victims.  You can look it up on Kickstarter, it was possibly the first deck project, or at least among the first.  I've also opened Gold Seal White New Fan Backs (only 1,000 made) and White Monarchs.  BG1E, Gold Arcane, Red Artifice...  I usually open one, and if it's the only one I have, I open it.

The "Broken Spell" deck is rare?
I had absolutely no clue.  I was at the small press expo last month in Bethesda and one of the creators of the deck had a table where she had 3 or 4 of the decks for sale ( I think she was asking $15) along with some of her comics. I picked one up "because, addiction".
She had a sample there open, the art was nice but the card quality was low (definitely an art deck not a performance deck). I actually opened my deck up that evening at the hotel and was going to get her to sign the card she contributed to the deck, unfortunately she wasn't there the next day, she had a friend manning her table.

My point is, the things you run into when you aren't expecting.


"Broken Spell" is exceptionally rare, though I have no idea of how many were made.  I've never seen a retailer carrying it and it practically never comes up for sale on eBay.  The one I got from the deck's designer, Jisuk Cho, through that charity auction was the only time I've ever seen it for sale on eBay.
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If you don't mind me asking Don, how much did you pay for the auction?
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If you don't mind me asking Don, how much did you pay for the auction?


I got very lucky that there wasn't a lot of attention on the fundraiser and that eBay auction in particular.  I think I paid $35.
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« Reply #7 on: October 20, 2012, 11:07:43 PM »
 

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I have finally found the "Broken Spell" page (http://blackrevolver.com/brokenspell/)

This is a beautiful deck! Every card has a story!

I still unable to persuade myself to open a deck of card that I only have one copy of...
I damage two cards of my beautiful gold autographed Seasons Seronda deck when learning to do cards faro for the big fan!!!! That time I was telling myself, I have 8 decks, I guess I can open one and play with that deck! Now I am regretting!
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I have finally found the "Broken Spell" page (http://blackrevolver.com/brokenspell/)

This is a beautiful deck! Every card has a story!

I still unable to persuade myself to open a deck of card that I only have one copy of...
I damage two cards of my beautiful gold autographed Seasons Seronda deck when learning to do cards faro for the big fan!!!! That time I was telling myself, I have 8 decks, I guess I can open one and play with that deck! Now I am regretting!

As I see it, yes, playing cards are collectible ephemera and should be handled with care, but yes, they're PLAYING cards, meant to be played with and enjoyed.

However, the lesson you should take from that experience is "Never practice moves you're still learning with a rare or expensive deck; that's what Bicycle Rider Backs are for!"

TO ALL READERS/POSTERS: I hope no one objects, but I broke this off the Lee Asher topic since it no longer had anything to do with Jerry's Nuggets specifically and had drifted to the topic you now see, which I placed on all of your posts.  Other than the topic change, they remain unedited.
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Re: Rare decks: to open, or not to open?
« Reply #9 on: October 22, 2012, 12:20:52 AM »
 

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Good subject, this. For me it'd really have to depend on the quantity of the decks I had, but it always depends. If I had 1 deck of Jerry's I'd seriously consider opening it. Why not enjoy it?!? Use it to its full extent.  Plus they don't wear out very quickly, so I've heard.
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« Reply #10 on: October 22, 2012, 01:23:17 AM »
 

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Good subject, this. For me it'd really have to depend on the quantity of the decks I had, but it always depends. If I had 1 deck of Jerry's I'd seriously consider opening it. Why not enjoy it?!? Use it to its full extent.  Plus they don't wear out very quickly, so I've heard.

The story I've heard from people who own them is that they actually IMPROVE with use, if you can believe that.

Wouldn't it be hysterical if someone actually found the way to replicate the JN handling, deck box and cellophane just closely enough to make a suitable, undetectable forgery?  I'd feel very sorry for all those people who're paying triple digits to get theirs.  I'm not implying that Lee Asher's aren't real - they are - but all the decks he sold this year were in good condition, nearly identical condition if I recall, with cellophane perfectly intact.  A new, forged deck, fully sealed, could be sold without raising too many eyebrows, if it was a genuinely indistinguishable copy of the original...

It's got me wondering what a printing press costs!  :))
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« Reply #11 on: October 22, 2012, 01:52:30 AM »
 

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Good subject, this. For me it'd really have to depend on the quantity of the decks I had, but it always depends. If I had 1 deck of Jerry's I'd seriously consider opening it. Why not enjoy it?!? Use it to its full extent.  Plus they don't wear out very quickly, so I've heard.

The story I've heard from people who own them is that they actually IMPROVE with use, if you can believe that.

Wouldn't it be hysterical if someone actually found the way to replicate the JN handling, deck box and cellophane just closely enough to make a suitable, undetectable forgery?  I'd feel very sorry for all those people who're paying triple digits to get theirs.  I'm not implying that Lee Asher's aren't real - they are - but all the decks he sold this year were in good condition, nearly identical condition if I recall, with cellophane perfectly intact.  A new, forged deck, fully sealed, could be sold without raising too many eyebrows, if it was a genuinely indistinguishable copy of the original...

It's got me wondering what a printing press costs!  :))

I can believe that they'd improve with use. I think all decks do that, it's called breaking in, Don :)) ;) No, but in all seriousness, I've had Tally Ho's that get better with use.

It would be interesting but I doubt it could be replicated easily. They'd have to study the atomic make up of the chemical finish and  test the stock and inks also. You've got to take into account that age might just be the thing that make them handle so well. I've heard rumours of the cards from that era all having similar handling. (Silver slippers, Golden nuggets, dunes etc.)

What I want to know is, where all the Jerry Barons are and how many decks exist. There is a French man who has a warehouse full of them. That's all anybody knows, his name is Dominique. And one exists in Japan. I know that Dan and Dave, Lee Asher, Jordan Lapping and Chris Kenner all have large sums of Jerry's.

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« Reply #12 on: October 22, 2012, 02:21:27 AM »
 

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I can believe that they'd improve with use. I think all decks do that, it's called breaking in, Don :)) ;) No, but in all seriousness, I've had Tally Ho's that get better with use.

It would be interesting but I doubt it could be replicated easily. They'd have to study the atomic make up of the chemical finish and  test the stock and inks also. You've got to take into account that age might just be the thing that make them handle so well. I've heard rumours of the cards from that era all having similar handling. (Silver slippers, Golden nuggets, dunes etc.)

What I want to know is, where all the Jerry Barons are and how many decks exist. There is a French man who has a warehouse full of them. That's all anybody knows, his name is Dominique. And one exists in Japan. I know that Dan and Dave, Lee Asher, Jordan Lapping and Chris Kenner all have large sums of Jerry's.

Supposedly, the JN decks go beyond all that.  But that's not exactly the point of the topic, we're a little sidetracked.

And I met Lee back in May this year, spent a few days in his city - he and his wife have a home in Toronto, among other places.  He doesn't have some massive hoard for sale, though he has a fair number for personal use.  He has a "Jerry Baron" as a supplier, no different than when he is selling any other deck besides his brand on his website.  He buys them from someone else, then sells them, plain and simple.  HOPC does the same thing for their Jerry's Nugget prize drawings - the last one will be in December.  Everyone has to get them from somewhere, and that somewhere is usually a "Jerry Baron", or in more businesslike terms, a wholesaler!
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I can believe that they'd improve with use. I think all decks do that, it's called breaking in, Don :)) ;) No, but in all seriousness, I've had Tally Ho's that get better with use.

It would be interesting but I doubt it could be replicated easily. They'd have to study the atomic make up of the chemical finish and  test the stock and inks also. You've got to take into account that age might just be the thing that make them handle so well. I've heard rumours of the cards from that era all having similar handling. (Silver slippers, Golden nuggets, dunes etc.)

What I want to know is, where all the Jerry Barons are and how many decks exist. There is a French man who has a warehouse full of them. That's all anybody knows, his name is Dominique. And one exists in Japan. I know that Dan and Dave, Lee Asher, Jordan Lapping and Chris Kenner all have large sums of Jerry's.

Supposedly, the JN decks go beyond all that.  But that's not exactly the point of the topic, we're a little sidetracked.

And I met Lee back in May this year, spent a few days in his city - he and his wife have a home in Toronto, among other places.  He doesn't have some massive hoard for sale, though he has a fair number for personal use.  He has a "Jerry Baron" as a supplier, no different than when he is selling any other deck besides his brand on his website.  He buys them from someone else, then sells them, plain and simple.  HOPC does the same thing for their Jerry's Nugget prize drawings - the last one will be in December.  Everyone has to get them from somewhere, and that somewhere is usually a "Jerry Baron", or in more businesslike terms, a wholesaler!

Do you know about any wholesalers? If you do, could you PM the details please.
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Do you know about any wholesalers? If you do, could you PM the details please.

Dude - anyone who sells in bulk at below-market rates could be considered a wholesaler!  The "barons" are wholesalers in that sense.

I do not know personally any barons.  Someone dropped a name to me once but it's long forgotten, and privileged information at that.
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Do you know about any wholesalers? If you do, could you PM the details please.

Dude - anyone who sells in bulk at below-market rates could be considered a wholesaler!  The "barons" are wholesalers in that sense.

I do not know personally any barons.  Someone dropped a name to me once but it's long forgotten, and privileged information at that.

I meant for the Jerry's :))
S you don't know them personally, but you know of them...?
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It'd be interesting to find a baron haha. In terms of improving when using a JN or something, it's not so much improving your handling, but the deck makes it easier to even practice, and perform with as the cards hold together very well, and are very springy without leaving creases or bends in the card.
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It'd be interesting to find a baron haha. In terms of improving when using a JN or something, it's not so much improving your handling, but the deck makes it easier to even practice, and perform with as the cards hold together very well, and are very springy without leaving creases or bends in the card.

I would totally raid them lol. :)) no deck improves your dexterity, but they do help.
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It'd be interesting to find a baron haha. In terms of improving when using a JN or something, it's not so much improving your handling, but the deck makes it easier to even practice, and perform with as the cards hold together very well, and are very springy without leaving creases or bends in the card.

I would totally raid them lol. :)) no deck improves your dexterity, but they do help.

They've probably got them stashed away in steel vaults and stuff :p and yeah a good deck like the jerry's do help a fair bit and make it great to perform with knowing that you won't have cards slipping everywhere; anyone that thinks you improve with dexterity or overall is kidding themselves.
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At the current rate of resell the rarity of jerry nuggets is really called into question. So far 144 x 3 decks have been released by Lee, and we know Dan and Dave have quite a few as well.
 

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At the current rate of resell the rarity of jerry nuggets is really called into question. So far 144 x 3 decks have been released by Lee, and we know Dan and Dave have quite a few as well.

I don't doubt that there are thousands of them. They were made for a Vegas casino after all, they wouldnt print 500. however, how many are sealed or in good shape after 40+ years is a different question.
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« Reply #21 on: October 23, 2012, 11:18:40 PM »
 

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Exactly, the issue compounding that is of those thousands practically none were used by the casinos due to the back
 

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« Reply #22 on: October 24, 2012, 12:59:21 AM »
 

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I meant for the Jerry's :))
S you don't know them personally, but you know of them...?

I doubt that's the term they'd use for themselves, but yes, there are a small number of people who bought decent to hefty supplies of JN "souvenir" decks, never used on the tables despite being very well made.

At the current rate of resell the rarity of jerry nuggets is really called into question. So far 144 x 3 decks have been released by Lee, and we know Dan and Dave have quite a few as well.

Three gross?  That's a drop in the bucket.  Remember, these were made in the 1970s, sat in storage for a number of years, then sold in the souvenir shop for 50c a pack!  By the time they sold out a couple of decades later, they were only $2 a pack.

This was a HUGE print run to have lasted that long even without some people swooping in and purchasing in large quantities.


I don't doubt that there are thousands of them. They were made for a Vegas casino after all, they wouldnt print 500. however, how many are sealed or in good shape after 40+ years is a different question.

More than you'd think, actually.  As I said above, most of the decks sat in storage.  The casino was probably tickled pink to get rid of these cards in bulk.  Storage costs money.  Though looking at the market for this deck now, I'm sure someone in their sales department is kicking themselves in the ass.  But that market would probably not exist were it not being spurred along by collectors in the first place.

I'd certainly accept one as a gift, but I don't think I'd ever actually buy one unless the market for them fell through the floor and hit the bargain-basement concrete.

Exactly, the issue compounding that is of those thousands practically none were used by the casinos due to the back

It's not just "practically none" that were used, it's EXACTLY none.  It's unsure as to whether these were even intended for table play in the first place.  If I had to guess, I'd say it was, considering how long they were selling it for - it implies they were buying in huge numbers, and decks bought in those numbers are usually destined for the tables.  There are none of these decks in a canceled state, which I think is required by law in Nevada for any table-used deck, not to mention it's a prudent business practice to keep a current design out of the public's hands unless it was canceled.

Maybe, like a lot of people at the time, they thought they were kind of garish and ugly but didn't realize this until after the order was made and done.  They really aren't attractive - many say they think they are, but I believe they're attracted to the "fetishizing" of this deck in the community rather than the alleged beauty of the backs and they simply equate that fetish aspect with beauty.  There are things in the rubber fetish community that they would call gorgeous but you'd probably run from them screaming...

I miss when they were simply drilling a single hole through the decks to cancel them rather than sawing off the corners - those cuts never come out evenly.
 
The one thing that made the deck popular with magicians and cardists was simply the handling and durability.  It's why many magicians and cardists use them in their videos.  After that, there was a demand among that segment of the community.  At some point, before prices blew up like an atom bomb, some shrewd people thought to buy in bulk, thus creating a serious supply shortage.  That's when the collectors pounced and the single-deck price went supernova.  How many of this deck actually remain in exist is totally unknown - could be a few gross, could be in the tens or hundreds of thousands.  But I'd call it safe to say that there are far more of these decks out there than any 5,000-deck print run.

In other words, I believe the shortage is an artificial one.
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