Joker 80T

[sprouts1115]

 http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2136246983/1960043680?token=6d6f5cb2

[sprouts1115]

it seems its nice to tell a little story on kickstarter. i wrote this a while back when i was looking for someone to draw these cards. of course things have changed and don't take anything in this letter seriously. it just sorta gives you a glimpse of what i was thinking at that time.




yea i have a long road ahead. USPCC only produces a box that holds 56 cards. i found a company that makes tarot card boxes Quality Playing Cards, Inc. they can make a box that can hold 64 cards.
i have a rough drawing of the box, but im at that point were i need an artist. i cant draw.

the main problem i have is that USPCC only prints on a 8 x 7 sheet. it would be wonderful if they made a printer that printed
on 8 x 8 sheets. that would be perfect for me. i have come up with a solution though. what if we made 2 cut sheets. one would be:

2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,J,C,B,Q,K,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,J,C,B,Q,K,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,J,C,B,Q,K2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,J,C,B,Q,K = 56 cards. we would need 5000 prints.


the other cut sheet would be (J = Joker):

A,J,A,J,A,J,A,J,A,J,A,J,A,J,A,J,A,J,A,J,A,J,A,J,A,J,A,J,A,J,A,J,A,J,A,J,A,J,A,J,A,J,A,J,A,J,A,J,J,J,J,J,J,J,J,J = 56 cards. we would need at least 834 prints of these.


i can imagine this and im not looking forward to it, but i would have fold the box to hold 64 cards 5000 times. take the cards from the first cut sheet put them into the box 5000 times. take 8 cards with the aces and jokers from the second cut sheet
and put them into the box 5000 times.

you might be asking why the last 8 are all jokers on the second cut sheet. will thats going to be my gimmick. on kickstarter i dont want to give out buttons, stickers, hats, or t- shirts. ill give out jokers. in fact ill have 1668 sets of jokers to give away. (834 sheets x 2)

i could say something like this "the first 1000 people who buy a deck of cards ill give you a set of 4 jokers for free" to get the ball rolling. after that its just a deck of cards.


ill tell you a little secret this deck of cards is only the transitional deck. I have already thought of the second deck i want to make. and this second deck i want to sell to the casinos. who would be the better customer. i have even thought of the name of the game it will be called "Gold King"
what better name than the highest card in the deck. you have get it out of your head that the Ace is the highest card. its only because of the french revolution (1789) that the ace became the highest. the ace back then represented the common person. well im hear to say the french revolution is over and the
reign of the ace for 223 years is going to change. sorry i did a rant.

back to gold king. to understand how i came up with the name is you have to know how "Black Jack" came about. back in the 1950's vegas casinos were giving 10 to 1 on your money if you were dealt a Ace of Spades and any other black jack (Jack of Clubs, Jack of Spades)
so if your sitting there with a big bet and you were dealt the Ace of Spades. you were banging the table and yelling "Give me a Black Jack"

well that is what i want the player to do with my game. i want him to bang the table and yell "Give me a Gold King" basically its a combination of black jack, spanish 21, and the tarot cards.
right now at the casinos to make a shoe they open 8 decks of cards take out the 2 jokers and 2 filler cards. i want to make it easy to where they just open the deck put them in the shuffle machine and thats it.

so this where i ask if you can take on this project. what would $1000 get me. im a 43 master plumber who in my lifetime so far has been screwed out of about $12000, but im will to take a chance.

in the transitional deck the court cards King, Queen, Bishop, Chevalier, Jack are all going to have the same blue dreary, pompous faces. i want that, but the jokers are going to be special.

there are 4 jokers: Joker of swords, Joker of staffs, Joker of coins, Joker of cups. i think the Joker of staffs would be the easiest to make. he will have a staff with his likeness on it. i do have an example. here is some homework.

http://table-tango.pokerworks.com/2006/ ... florentin/

http://a.trionfi.eu/WWPCM/decks03/d01015/d01015.htm

now these cards have a renaissance style. im looking for a medieval style.
just check out the court cards and you have to get past the tits and ass. lol
the court cards tell a story and that is what im looking for. i want the jokers to tell a little story.

[Don Boyer]

As has been stated, USPC will not make any deck with more than 56 cards, period.

U.S. Games Systems is known for being probably the largest printer of tarot and non-standard decks in the country, short of Hasbro.  They might be willing to take on the task, but their card quality has never been as good as USPC.

Don't expect wide acceptance in the card community, especially casinos or poker players - and that counts for that "Gold King" deck as well.  Poker players are extremely traditional, and they don't like changes to their playing cards.  If you don't believe me, look up the Bicycle "PokerPeek" debacle at the WSOP.  And there's a reason casinos got rid of that 10:1 payoff for an Ace of Spades and either black Jack - without that bonus, it's already the only game in the house in which players stand even a slight edge, when played correctly.  The trend has been to make it harder to win, not easier.

BTW: there's a deck that already exists, very similar to this, although USPC is no longer printing it.  They called it a "Five-Hundred" deck, intended for larger rummy games, up to six hands.  Instead of extra courts, it had 11 and 12 in four suits and 13 in two suits.  But there's a reason they no longer make it - it's just not as popular.

[MrMollusk]

I agree with Don. You'd be aiming for a much smaller fan base than you have here. I can say that the majority of card players play with completely standard decks. I can say that I never play with anything other than a completely standard poker playing card deck. Even something like size affects my choice of decks. Pinochle decks are extremely unattractive to me, for example.
A deck that's only applicable for a limited set of games will probably not get much support on Kick Starter. I'd guess the Glaives deck failed mainly because it was bridge size, even though it had a pretty cool and solid design.

[sprouts1115]

Don Boyer - check this out.  you can kind of see where i'm going with this.   http://wizardofvegas.com/forum/questions-and-answers/math/12435-would-you-stand-at-24/2/#post207034 and USPCC can print a deck with 64 cards.  it just cost a lot. 2 cut sheets.  http://texasplayingcards.com

tell you a secret if i'm successfully at this kickstarter i'm going to launch a indigogo project.  for the second run of these cards 001 002 2013.   

BTW: you could play solitaire, 5 cards poker, 7 card stud, texas hold'em with this deck with no problem.   

[Don Boyer]

Don Boyer - check this out.  you can kind of see where i'm going with this.   http://wizardofvegas.com/forum/questions-and-answers/math/12435-would-you-stand-at-24/2/#post207034 and USPCC can print a deck with 64 cards.  it just cost a lot. 2 cut sheets.  http://texasplayingcards.com

tell you a secret if i'm successfully at this kickstarter i'm going to launch a indigogo project.  for the second run of these cards 001 002 2013.   

BTW: you could play solitaire, 5 cards poker, 7 card stud, texas hold'em with this deck with no problem.   

When USPC was approached by Bent Castle Workshops to create a 60-card deck, they flatly refused - they make nothing above 56 and the tuck boxes come in two sizes, Bicycle and Bee, neither of which can safely contain 60 cards.  The only way you get them to make it would be to have them do all the printing and cutting as two separate print runs (some of the cards in one print run, the rest in the other, with a lot of leftover spaces unless you have some other ideas needing extra cards), then they send you those cards for you to collate into whatever boxes you can come up with from another printer.  So if you aren't ready to personally sort 10,000 decks of cards down to 5,000 finished, ready-to-sell decks, it doesn't work.

It's a hundred times easier to go with a respectable print shop in Taiwan or Hong Kong or something, and have them do the custom work for you.  That's where Bent Castle eventually landed with their 60-card deck, and they've used a number of others around that area as well.

[sprouts1115]

USPCC will make me 2 cut sheets.   their minimum is 2,500 decks, but they will do it.  it just cost a arm and a leg. 

i need 5000 of the first cut sheet and a minimum of  786 of the second cut sheet.  possible decks 5000 x .10 = 5500 / 7 lines of aces and jokers = 786


Hi Russell,
Here you go!  It’s pricey but we can do it.  Thanks so much!
 
Thanks,
Tiffany Mahan
Business Development Manager
The United States Playing Card Company
Phone: 859-815-7414
Fax: 859-815-7361
E-mail: Tiffanymahan@usplayingcard.com

its going to cost me $14,350 to make this deck from bicycle. 
  if you add box         $1,900
  custom seal              $379

thats like $3.32 per deck for a normal Bicycle Stock, Embossed with Magic Finish deck; and i know their are hidden additional cost.     

[Don Boyer]

USPCC will make me 2 cut sheets.   their minimum is 2,500 decks, but they will do it.  it just cost a arm and a leg. 

i need 5000 of the first cut sheet and a minimum of  786 of the second cut sheet.  possible decks 5000 x .10 = 5500 / 7 lines of aces and jokers = 786


Hi Russell,
Here you go!  It’s pricey but we can do it.  Thanks so much!
 
Thanks,
Tiffany Mahan
Business Development Manager
The United States Playing Card Company
Phone: 859-815-7414
Fax: 859-815-7361
E-mail: Tiffanymahan@usplayingcard.com

its going to cost me $14,350 to make this deck from bicycle. 
  if you add box         $1,900
  custom seal              $379

thats like $3.32 per deck for a normal Bicycle Stock, Embossed with Magic Finish deck; and i know their are hidden additional cost.   

Actually, there's a simpler, less costly solution to making this deck.  If you make it using the same stock, finish and back design as a common USPC brand, you've just eliminated the need to print most of the cards yourself.  Then a person interested in using your deck concept can simply add your cards to their standard off-the-shelf deck to create the deck you have in mind.  If you can come up with enough alternate-deck card designs and perhaps print your games' rules on some of the cards, you might even come up with enough cards to fill a 56-card sheet and use the USPC standard boxes to put the cards in, but with your custom design on the outside.  You could sell them as two-deck sets (standard plus your custom cards) or individually, to be combined by the buyer with their own playing cards.  The second alternative can be more cost-effective than you shipping two decks to someone, especially when one of them can probably be had cheaper from a local pharmacy or big-box store.

This still means you have to make a minimum of 2,500 decks, but you don't need to print anything extra or come up with more-costly custom packaging.

The most common deck designs you would be likely to use would be:

Bicycle Rider Back (Standard) in red and blue.
Bee in red or blue.

Some less common but popular and regularly-stocked USPC designs you could use would be:

Bicycle Rider Back (Bridge-Sized) in red and blue.
Aviator (smooth stock) in red and blue.  (Normally only sold in airports.)
Streamline (smooth stock) in red and blue. (Regularly stocked for $0.99 in most US WalMarts.)
Tally Ho Circle Back in red and blue.  (Regional brand - available in magic shops and NYC only)
Tally Ho Fan Back in red and blue.  (Ditto ^^^)

Another idea occurs to me as I'm writing this.  Let's say that coming up with 56 cards is a bit much for your deck concept, but that you could fill 28 of them, no sweat.  You print the 28-card set twice on the same sheet, once with red backs, once with blue backs in the same design.  Now your consumer can create two matched decks from your box of cards and their locally-available decks - a "poker set".

Finally, if you did simply want the deck made with a smaller deck size for adding to a standard deck, I know that USPC is capable of creating such smaller decks with slimmer deck boxes - their children's game decks and Sheepshead deck are prime examples.  It would only be a matter of what they would charge for making them.

Whatever you decide, remember, the project has to be cost-effective or there's no point in making it, unless you're happy with being a failing involuntary non-profit!  The idea of creating an add-on deck rather than a full-blown standalone deck saves you from reinventing the wheel and having USPC print those standard-deck cards as part of your custom run.  I mean, they already exist and people probably have them readily available - it'd be crazy to reprint them custom.  And I imagine that anything that helps USPC sell more standard decks would be of some interest to them.

[sprouts1115]

Don Boyer  -  i'm starting to like this forum better than united cardists.  you've made me look at things differently.  i'm hell bent on making a 64 card custom deck.  win, lose or fail, i'm going to have 5000 decks.  i'm committing myself to 5000 decks on cut sheet #1, but i think in the future to be more cost effective for the second run. i might just go ahead and do a 2,500 run on cut sheet #2.

texasplayingcards.com

it would be cost effective because right now the second cut sheet cost me around $6.22 a deck (786 minimum decks needed for 5000 decks) = $4889

but if i get 2,500 decks the price would be. 2,500 x 1.75 = $4,375.

Thanks Don you saved me $500 bucks.  so now i'm committed for 7,500 decks.   5000 for cut sheet #1 and 2500 for cut sheet #2.   man i'm going to have a crap load of aces and jokers left over. 

by the way, the reason for the $1.75 per deck is USPCC is just sending the cards in a plain white tuck boxes with no cellophane.

"No seals or cello wrap due to repackaging labor needed by customer after the order ships"

i'm going to try and sell some of the aces and jokers in the kickstarter by mailing them in an envelope with a stamp.  i'm going to flatten the white bicycle tuck box and put the aces and jokers inside for more protection.   might as well use them i'll have a bunch of them on my living room floor.  lol   

so if i do a second run 001 002 2013  (deck,run,year)  the second run would be a lot cheaper. 

5000 decks at $1.75 = $8,750
box to hold 64 cards = $1,900
custom seal              =    $379  for a total of $11,029 at $2.21 a deck

if the kickstarter is successful, i would like to start another one on indiegogo.com  for the second run.  it's the dark side of kickstarter.  it has less traffic, but you can do practically anything you want.  i want to have a raffle, i want to sell more than brick to resellers, i want to have a special reward for resellers in France   and i want to maybe find investment angles.  i need angles to get a patent.  they say a patent cost about $10,000.  it cost about $2800 just to get a patent pending license.   

[Don Boyer]

Don Boyer  -  i'm starting to like this forum better than united cardists.  you've made me look at things differently.  i'm hell bent on making a 64 card custom deck.  win, lose or fail, i'm going to have 5000 decks.  i'm committing myself to 5000 decks on cut sheet #1, but i think in the future to be more cost effective for the second run. i might just go ahead and do a 2,500 run on cut sheet #2.

texasplayingcards.com

it would be cost effective because right now the second cut sheet cost me around $6.22 a deck (786 minimum decks needed for 5000 decks) = $4889

but if i get 2,500 decks the price would be. 2,500 x 1.75 = $4,375.

Thanks Don you saved me $500 bucks.  so now i'm committed for 7,500 decks.   5000 for cut sheet #1 and 2500 for cut sheet #2.   man i'm going to have a crap load of aces and jokers left over. 

by the way, the reason for the $1.75 per deck is USPCC is just sending the cards in a plain white tuck boxes with no cellophane.

"No seals or cello wrap due to repackaging labor needed by customer after the order ships"

i'm going to try and sell some of the aces and jokers in the kickstarter by mailing them in an envelope with a stamp.  i'm going to flatten the white bicycle tuck box and put the aces and jokers inside for more protection.   might as well use them i'll have a bunch of them on my living room floor.  lol   

so if i do a second run 001 002 2013  (deck,run,year)  the second run would be a lot cheaper. 

5000 decks at $1.75 = $8,750
box to hold 64 cards = $1,900
custom seal              =    $379  for a total of $11,029 at $2.21 a deck

if the kickstarter is successful, i would like to start another one on indiegogo.com  for the second run.  it's the dark side of kickstarter.  it has less traffic, but you can do practically anything you want.  i want to have a raffle, i want to sell more than brick to resellers, i want to have a special reward for resellers in France   and i want to maybe find investment angles.  i need angles to get a patent.  they say a patent cost about $10,000.  it cost about $2800 just to get a patent pending license.

I still think you're spending far more money than you have to in order to achieve your goal.  If you used a standard pack of playing cards such as Bicycle Standard and made these cards as an add-on, you'd only need to make a dozen extra cards per deck.  You could use that 2,500-sheet print run and make TEN THOUSAND of your decks with it, with eight leftover cards per sheet that you can use to create magician's gaff cards if you want.  Hell, you find a magician who wants to make a gaff, you can sell him the card spaces on your sheet, dropping the cost to produce even lower.  Packaging?  Get a custom box that's big enough to hold your 64 cards, drop your dozen cards in it and sell it with a standard pack.  If you want to be really lazy about it, you could even make the 64-card box large enough to accommodate your 12 cards plus the standard deck, box and all.

If you were able to use standard jokers in your deck, you'd only need ten cards per deck, making that same 2,500 run into 12,500 decks.

I could see attempting this as a custom deck if that's where you want to go with this, with wholly original design work, but I think you should try contacting US Games - they practically specialize in the "abnormal" deck market, with lots of tarot decks, major arcana decks, custom card game decks, etc., in sizes from miniature to downright huge.  A single print run instead of two, a box made specifically to accommodate your deck from the start without you having to manually reload a blessed thing...  The company has a lot going for it in terms of what you want - and it might even cost less.  One of the most important factors you left off of your cost calculations by going with USPC is the cost of your time spent opening all those USPC boxes and manually assembling decks yourself.  Like many other resources, time really is money, in terms of what else you could be doing with that time.  Going with US Games would save you LOTS of time.  If they like it enough, who knows - perhaps they'll simply license it from you and make it in perpetuity or something...they do all the work, you collect royalties!

Another possibility would be to contact Bent Castle Workshops.  They've been making 60-card custom decks for a while now, and they know where to go to get this stuff done.  If they're not willing to help you produce your deck, they might at least be willing to clue you in on where to look for custom printers willing to handle oversized decks like yours.

[sprouts1115]

All i know is that these cards have to be made by USPCC.  they are willing to send these cards in blank white boxes without cellophane. im commited to 7,500 decks.  5000 +or- 10% of cut sheet #1 and 2,500 of cut sheet #2.  i'm going to have a shit load of extra aces and jokers.  i'm willing to assemble 5000 decks myself.  if i sell 5000 or more decks; maybe the box manufacture can assemble the cards for me for a fee.   i'll have USPCC ship the decks to them.   Bishops are up.  we should have the Bishop of clubs soon.  it needed a tweak.  Cavalier of hearts should be out next.  http://texasplayingcards.com

Don - i'll check out the box those manufactures.  i really need to find my goldelocks.  if you post anymore don, i might think i owe you money. lol   

[Leif]

Let me see if I got this right.

You want a deck with 64 cards.

You want custom colored pips.

You want the numbers inside the suits to make more room for the Cavalier. (to be honest I don't quite understand what you mean here, but that's probably my lack of knowledge about English card terminology.) EDIT: Having looked at your website I can now say that I understand what you mean, but that I am not very pleased with the design. The Bishops, though, look AWESOME.

The extra cards that sets it off from a normal deck of cards is:
One Bishop and one Cavalier in each suit=8 cards, and four different jokers= 4 cards. So, the total amount of new cards is 12.

I would like to know, who is your target customer? As this deck stands now, this is the way I see it:

Poker aficionados would not use this deck because the extra cards ruins their carefully calculated risk/chance numbers.

Flourishers would probably not use it because they are used to decks with 52 cards and these extra cards don't add any performance multiplier for them. Now, if these extra cards had the ability to hoover in the air for extended amounts of time, or return like a boomerang when you throw it, that would be another thing, but they don't, so that is not an option.

Magicians would not use this deck because then they would have to explain what those cards are to every new spectator all the time.

I don't know if collectors would buy this deck.

That leaves kids and leisure players.

Kids are adaptable and love to learn new games, leisure players, not so much so, I think.

Here's what I would do:

If the extra court cards and jokers are most important, drop the custom colored pips and moving the indices, choose a standard deck, design the 12 cards in the style of your chosen standard deck and have USPCC print only the 12 extra cards. Call the 12 cards something cool, Playing Cards - Extended, Extend the deck, extend the fun, for example. Invent a few games, say 5-8, that can be played with the extended deck, where the extra cards are important for the gameplay, and have USPCC sell them as add-on deck to their regular decks, or bundled with a regular deck and rules for the games you invented.

Or do it yourself: Have them print 2500 sheets with only the extra cards like Don suggested, and sell them yourself. I still think you need to design some games to go with the add-on cards. It doesn't have to be anything advanced, it could be Go fish with the extra jokers as wildcards, or each joker could count as a whole pair, or a joker lets you immediately take three cards from any of your opponents, the possibilities are endless.

If the custom colored pips are most important, drop the extra cards, and make a custom 52 cards deck with an awesome back, courts and pips, and incredible handling.

I was actually looking for a four color deck not so long ago, however I read at some forum that a lot of the poker players didn't like the idea, they dismissed the concept rather harshly.

I think black spades, red hearts, blue diamonds and green clubs would look rather good, myself.

I also think the extra cards would be cool, not as a collector or magician or poker player, though, I just generally like odd games and stuff.

But, as with any venture, you have to think about the business side of things, and try to minimize your potential personal economic loss. It would feel awkward ending up with ten thousand add-on decks that seemingly nobody wants, around the house, and even more so with the knowledge that I could have prevented it.

I hope this long, rambling post helps you in some way, and good luck!

[Don Boyer]

Let me see if I got this right.

You want a deck with 64 cards.

You want custom colored pips.

You want the numbers inside the suits to make more room for the Cavalier. (to be honest I don't quite understand what you mean here, but that's probably my lack of knowledge about English card terminology.) EDIT: Having looked at your website I can now say that I understand what you mean, but that I am not very pleased with the design. The Bishops, though, look AWESOME.

The extra cards that sets it off from a normal deck of cards is:
One Bishop and one Cavalier in each suit=8 cards, and four different jokers= 4 cards. So, the total amount of new cards is 12.

I would like to know, who is your target customer? As this deck stands now, this is the way I see it:

Poker aficionados would not use this deck because the extra cards ruins their carefully calculated risk/chance numbers.

Flourishers would probably not use it because they are used to decks with 52 cards and these extra cards don't add any performance multiplier for them. Now, if these extra cards had the ability to hoover in the air for extended amounts of time, or return like a boomerang when you throw it, that would be another thing, but they don't, so that is not an option.

Magicians would not use this deck because then they would have to explain what those cards are to every new spectator all the time.

I don't know if collectors would buy this deck.

That leaves kids and leisure players.

Kids are adaptable and love to learn new games, leisure players, not so much so, I think.

Here's what I would do:

If the extra court cards and jokers are most important, drop the custom colored pips and moving the indices, choose a standard deck, design the 12 cards in the style of your chosen standard deck and have USPCC print only the 12 extra cards. Call the 12 cards something cool, Playing Cards - Extended, Extend the deck, extend the fun, for example. Invent a few games, say 5-8, that can be played with the extended deck, where the extra cards are important for the gameplay, and have USPCC sell them as add-on deck to their regular decks, or bundled with a regular deck and rules for the games you invented.

Or do it yourself: Have them print 2500 sheets with only the extra cards like Don suggested, and sell them yourself. I still think you need to design some games to go with the add-on cards. It doesn't have to be anything advanced, it could be Go fish with the extra jokers as wildcards, or each joker could count as a whole pair, or a joker lets you immediately take three cards from any of your opponents, the possibilities are endless.

If the custom colored pips are most important, drop the extra cards, and make a custom 52 cards deck with an awesome back, courts and pips, and incredible handling.

I was actually looking for a four color deck not so long ago, however I read at some forum that a lot of the poker players didn't like the idea, they dismissed the concept rather harshly.

I think black spades, red hearts, blue diamonds and green clubs would look rather good, myself.

I also think the extra cards would be cool, not as a collector or magician or poker player, though, I just generally like odd games and stuff.

But, as with any venture, you have to think about the business side of things, and try to minimize your potential personal economic loss. It would feel awkward ending up with ten thousand add-on decks that seemingly nobody wants, around the house, and even more so with the knowledge that I could have prevented it.

I hope this long, rambling post helps you in some way, and good luck!

I've been trying to convince him of many of these points, but to no avail - looks like a lost cause! 

An "expansion" deck using an existing, common deck design is the least risky way to go about this, but he's dead set on making it his way, start to finish, despite the increased financial risk.  As I see it, he could do that later if the expansion deck is a financial success.  The casual game market would indeed pick up on this, especially if he created rules for new games and rules additions for old ones - but that's the extent of it.  That can be enough when you have the right concept - but for every successful concept, there's quite a few that aren't.

While USPC doesn't make larger decks, I know that they make smaller ones - their Sheepshead deck and children's games decks are two prime examples.  Make the twelve extra cards in an existing back design, use a few more for printing the additional rules and games, and you're done, easy peasy.  If I could do the art, I could probably bang it out in a few weeks from concept to finished design.

[Leif]

I know, Don, but sometimes it helps to see it written in another way. But you're right, I could just have said: I agree with Don. 

Another thing I was thinking about: How to attract customers? This being a new kind of deck, I imagine that it probably won't work with a website.

The term playing cards has an average of 550.000 searches/month
Playing cards deck about 33.000
buy playing cards about 8.100
64 playing cards  about - (too low search volume to measure)

Maybe I would try selling it at... What do you call that, when lots of different sellers sell their stuff, each with their own table? market place, fair maybe? Or, I would try at a toy fair, try to get some big company to take up my product.

[Don Boyer]

I know, Don, but sometimes it helps to see it written in another way. But you're right, I could just have said: I agree with Don. 

Another thing I was thinking about: How to attract customers? This being a new kind of deck, I imagine that it probably won't work with a website.

The term playing cards has an average of 550.000 searches/month
Playing cards deck about 33.000
buy playing cards about 8.100
64 playing cards  about - (too low search volume to measure)

Maybe I would try selling it at... What do you call that, when lots of different sellers sell their stuff, each with their own table? market place, fair maybe? Or, I would try at a toy fair, try to get some big company to take up my product.

Are you familiar with Kickstarter?  You should really check it out.

http://kickstarter.com

While you're at it, go to the top of the topic list for the Playing Card Plethora and you'll find the New Deck Report.  I update that pretty much daily and I cover all known Kickstarter projects (among other things), giving progress reports over time all in one place.

[Leif]

I know, Don, but sometimes it helps to see it written in another way. But you're right, I could just have said: I agree with Don. 

Another thing I was thinking about: How to attract customers? This being a new kind of deck, I imagine that it probably won't work with a website.

The term playing cards has an average of 550.000 searches/month
Playing cards deck about 33.000
buy playing cards about 8.100
64 playing cards  about - (too low search volume to measure)

Maybe I would try selling it at... What do you call that, when lots of different sellers sell their stuff, each with their own table? market place, fair maybe? Or, I would try at a toy fair, try to get some big company to take up my product.

Are you familiar with Kickstarter?  You should really check it out.

http://kickstarter.com

While you're at it, go to the top of the topic list for the Playing Card Plethora and you'll find the New Deck Report.  I update that pretty much daily and I cover all known Kickstarter projects (among other things), giving progress reports over time all in one place.

Oh, I meant if it was me who had his project.

I have browsed kickstarter and I look at the NDR regularly. I think you are doing great work with that list. The only dumb thing with kickstarter is that I can't start a project from my country. I can back, but not start.

[Don Boyer]

I have browsed kickstarter and I look at the NDR regularly. I think you are doing great work with that list. The only dumb thing with kickstarter is that I can't start a project from my country. I can back, but not start.

Give it time.  It's only recently they started accepting projects from the UK.  I'm thinking the Euro-centric part of Europe is next.

[sprouts1115]

check out the cavalier of diamonds.  check out your current jack of diamonds.  the fonts are going to change for the "T","B" and "C"

[sprouts1115]

test:  trying to post a Adobe PDF





aceofheart.pdf

[Don Boyer]

test:  trying to post a Adobe PDF





aceofheart.pdf

I guess you might have missed this:

Allowed file types: gif, jpg, png, tiff, pdf, wmv, wma, psd, mp3, mp4, wma, mpg

See?  No PDF!

[sprouts1115]

bishop of clubs.

[sprouts1115]

cavalier of clubs

[sprouts1115]

cavalier of spades.  tarot symbol.     kickstarter rewards need some tweaking, but where?

[sprouts1115]

This is what I in-vision for the back of the card....This is basically the theme with the Texas Star, but with a circle. 

[sprouts1115]

added some skulls to the front of the box.  Is this theme a little to simple?