Collector - When the 4 Jokers are done I would like to give them to ya to post. She is currently putting a tapestry in the background...
Started a new thread on WizardofOdds. It might be interesting to watch. Anyone want to board the train? Hoot, Hoot! http://wizardofvegas.com/forum/questions-and-answers/math/15020-31-or/#post267434
Well, here's your quote from that site - heaven help them for having to field your questions...
Suppose you had a game with 9 suits with 16 cards in each suit. The value of the suits are as followed : King (15), Queen (14), Bishop (13), Cavalier (12), Jack (11), Tower (10), 9 , 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, A, J(oker) The Joker is special it can be 0 , 8, or 16. Let say you had 3 decks for a total of 432 cards in play. Lets say your trying to reach the value of "31" So, (King + Joker) would be an automatic win.
My first question is : What are the standard amount of decks used in BlackJack nowadays? I know they use auto-shufflers now. Is it 8 decks for a total of 416 cards in play?... texasplayingcards.com
I kind of had a AH-HA moment. This is basically based on the old game of "Twenty-One" They had a deck of 40 cards. They did not have 10's, 9's, and 8's and value of the cards were as followed : King (10), Queen (9), Deputy Sheriff (
, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, A The Ace was special it could be 1 or 11. That was truly a great game. King + Queen = 19.
I'm basically trying to make a game better than BlackJack. What are the most popular games in Casinos? Slots and BlackJack.
My second question is : What are the odds for getting 3 gold Towers (10) of the same suit?. The gold suit is the special odd ball suit in my 9 suits. It's the Trump suit. So, there are only 3 gold Towers in the 432 cards in play. It's kind of like being dealt the Ace of Spades and any other black jack (Jack of Clubs, Jack of Spades) and it gave you 10 to 1 on your money. I'm trying to figure out the best pay out for being dealt 3 golden towers... It's also sorta like being dealt three 7's in the same suit in Spanish 21.
In the future, I would like the casinos to open 3 of these decks and put all the cards in the auto-shuffler. What do they do now? Open 6 -8 decks and take out the filler and joker cards.ODDSThe card exists three times in a randomized stack of 432 cards. Assuming the cards are the first three cards from the stack...
The odds of getting the first one are 144:1.
The odds of getting the second one are 215.5:1.
The odds of getting the last one are 430:1.
My math in this area is rusty, but I think the overall odds are 13,343,760:1. Mind you, the odds of drawing any one card in this proposed deck of yours three times from a three deck shoe in the manner described above would have exactly the same odds.
However, it would be foolish in the extreme to construct a game like this - that "three golden towers" hand would be almost equivalent to drawing three Aces of Hearts or Two of Clubs in a six-to-eight deck stack, except that rare event would be even easier to accomplish. Assuming an eight-deck stack...
The odds of getting the first Two of Clubs would be 52:1.
The odds of getting the second would be approximately 59.3:1.
The odds of getting the third would be 69:1.
The odds of getting all three combined would be roughly 212,768.4:1.
The difference is roughly akin to (with your game) winning a lottery jackpot as opposed to (with a set of standard decks) winning second or third prize. That, combined with the fact that hardly anyone would be bothered to even learn about your invented deck means this game would collect dust in the back corner somewhere while blackjack would remain front and center in pretty much any casino that was willing to take a chance on it.
HISTORY AND FALLACYYour deck would make a fine novelty deck, like the Wizards game deck, but don't expect mainstream acceptance, as if this was somehow going to replace any of the existing deck standards already in existence. They've been around for centuries while yours has been around for, what, a handful of months? Printed playing cards started trickling down to the masses only in the latter half of the 19th century, but they did exist for many, many years prior as hand-painted objects used by the nobility, the knowledge of which filtering to the masses if not the actual cards.
Yes, the standard in casinos is to use an eight-deck shoe - but combine that with a built-in, as-you-go auto-shuffler and any attempts at counting cards are useless. The new auto-shufflers shuffle the cards into the full stack rather than simply mixing the cards that have already passed and dropping them at the end of the shoe, meaning a card just dealt in the last hand can just as easily turn up in the next hand.
The game blackjack did indeed originate from the game twenty-one - but it originated in France, where the French called it
vingt-et-un. The French have ALWAYS used the standard 52-card deck (which actually originated in France) for playing vingt-et-un. The only other deck used by the French is the
tarot deck. Not to be confused with the fortune-telling deck, the tarot deck is specifically for playing a card game called
tarot and while it has the same general types of cards found in the fortune-telling deck, the designs are radically difference and the suits are the same as used in the 52-card deck, with the trump suit (the "Major Arcana in a fortune-telling deck) has no suit. So, twenty-one or blackjack has only been played using the 52-card deck. The only time anything even like blackjack has been played with fewer cards in a casino is the game
Spanish 21, which uses a 48-card Spanish deck that has no 10-spot cards in it. The concept of the Ace ever being more than one didn't come into existence until during the French Revolution - you should know this because you've written about it before, or were you simply plagiarizing another source without actually reading it?
FINAL COMMENTSYou seem to talk an awful lot about this deck. Just make the damn thing already, or at least start the Kickstarter project for it. Because until that happens, you're just blowing smoke...
