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sprouts1115 · « **Reply #100 on:** October 02, 2013, 12:39:39 AM »

Finally done. Joker of Coins - Chaotic Good and Joker of Swords - Lawful Evil

xela · « **Reply #101 on:** October 02, 2013, 02:40:30 AM »

...Who is doing this artwork

Sovereign · « **Reply #102 on:** October 02, 2013, 08:08:08 AM »

This whole thread is amazing.
Sprouts, are USPCC going to be handling the collation of the 2 die cut sheets into 64 card decks? Does this affect their costs?
Also, what's the reasoning behind the disparity in the art style between the new cards ( C & B ) and the Jokers?

Phill

ronyo_faukx · « **Reply #103 on:** October 02, 2013, 08:13:27 AM »

Quote from: alex. on October 02, 2013, 02:40:30 AM

...Who is doing this artwork

He said earlier it was an artist called Vivian Friedel.

Here's her site, and here are the cards: http://vivianf.daportfolio.com/gallery/544711#2

She only has the Joker of Staves, Joker of Swords and the Cavaliers of Hearts and Clubs posted, but there they are.

I think this is the first non-BS Sprout has come out with!

sprouts1115 · « **Reply #104 on:** October 16, 2013, 01:13:09 PM »

Sovereign - Back in June, Tiffany from the USPCC said they had a 3rd party tuck box manufacture in China who could make a box to hold 64 cards. I was so excited, but that turned out not to be the case. It's been awhile since I've contacted them and I'll ask again, but I'm probably going to go with http://www.boxprintingcompany.com/Playing_Card_Boxes.htm# They do embossing and foiling. I'm only interested in the embossing as a stretch goal. I'm trying to make the first run of these cards as special as possible. What is probably going to happen is USPCC is going to send me all the cards in plain, white tuck boxes with no seal or cellophane and I have to put the cards in the box that holds 64 cards. As for the disparity, I'm starting to reach out on social media and this might shed some light:

I've noticed Kickstarter projects have started to post your website on their projects. I wish to do the same. This project is not going to launch until Dec 1st, but I need to start looking at media outlets like what the Pendale project did. The artwork is 90% done. Vivian http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Kt1YHdKFaI(Fast forward to 2:55) and I are meeting this weekend and maybe the artwork will be 100%. The next step is to submit the artwork to USPCC for the second time. The current Jokers are are in the USPCC ghost zone. I'm planning on getting a demo deck done and redoing this cheesy video I did. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vv8uhYpdzPg It will have the same message "The Ace is the key that unlocks the door to more face cards" I have already thought of the 2nd and 3rd deck The 3rd deck is the end game. I wish to make a game better than "BlackJack" instead of 21 your goal is 31. (K)ing 15, (Q)ueen 14, (B)ishop 13, (C)avalier 12, (J)ack, (T)ower 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, (A)ce, Joker(0 or 16). In the first deck, I'm trying to glorify the Bicycle 808 series cards; They are the standard of today. I'm adding a few new features. First, putting the rank of the card inside the suit. This has been done before. I think it needs a second look and adds more space for the artwork. http://www.wopc.co.uk/delarue/pigmy.html. Hopefully, this will be better when you sneak peek your cards from the felt. and second, putting more color in the courts to distinguish the card at a distance. This is mainly for new Texas Hold'em game I want to push. In this game, the Kings are now King. Pocket 22's now bet pocket AA's. The Jokers in the first deck are only a hint or tease of what I want to do with the second deck...

Texasplayingcards.com

Sovereign · « **Reply #105 on:** October 16, 2013, 02:48:45 PM »

Quote from: sprouts1115 on October 16, 2013, 01:13:09 PM

What is probably going to happen is USPCC is going to send me all the cards in plain, white tuck boxes with no seal or cellophane and I have to put the cards in the box that holds 64 cards.

That's commitment to the project right there. I read this whole thread and think "Sprouts must be committed."

Phill

ronyo_faukx · « **Reply #106 on:** October 16, 2013, 03:49:47 PM »

Quote from: Sovereign on October 16, 2013, 02:48:45 PM

Quote from: sprouts1115 on October 16, 2013, 01:13:09 PM
What is probably going to happen is USPCC is going to send me all the cards in plain, white tuck boxes with no seal or cellophane and I have to put the cards in the box that holds 64 cards.
"Sprouts must be committed."

I agree. Where's the nearest mental institute?

Don Boyer · « **Reply #107 on:** October 16, 2013, 09:42:00 PM »

Guys, I gotta be fair here. I've ribbed him about this project here enough times, but we now have a better place for that stuff - his LOLAQ topic! Let's at least try not to poke too much fun at him here, OK? It's no less a courtesy than I'd ask of others for your own deck projects, were you to post about them.

kdklown · « **Reply #108 on:** October 17, 2013, 01:30:33 AM »

I will say that Sprouts shows an overwhelming level of devotion to his project. He has put a tremendous amount of preliminary work into this. I am definitely in for one when the project rolls. The artwork seems like it will be solid and even if I don't like the deck it's a guaranteed conversation piece for the backstory and extra cards. Fight the power Sprouts, Don't let the man keep you down!

Sovereign · « **Reply #109 on:** October 17, 2013, 08:39:31 AM »

Sprouts obviously believes in his project and I genuinely hope he confounds all nay sayers and storms it.

sprouts1115 · « **Reply #110 on:** October 28, 2013, 11:37:39 PM »

Back of the card 3rd revision: Looking for some criticism.

Don Boyer · « **Reply #111 on:** October 29, 2013, 12:29:12 AM »

Quote from: sprouts1115 on October 28, 2013, 11:37:39 PM

Back of the card 3rd revision: Looking for some criticism.

It's kind of dark. And still - why Texas? Only the name ties that deck with anything to do with Texas...

magnacat · « **Reply #112 on:** October 30, 2013, 08:12:14 AM »

are you seriously going to line the entire border by repeating "texas playing cards .com" all the way around?? $:-\$
you already have the tuck mentioning the site... wouldn't an ad card be enough? of course, now that i think of it, you won't have any room for an ad card, will you? there are too many other strange cards packing the tuck to the point of an overflow...

though if your posts are any indication, you stick that site everywhere you find room- i'm sure the ace of spades most likely says "texaplayingcards.com" (and "f*ck blackjack, play gold king!") as well...
what is your real intention with the back design, btw, is there something in specific you are aiming for? it will be easier to help if you share your thoughts on this. my only thoughts right now have to do with how out of place the flags look, due to the otherwise monochromatic design. if you are dead set on including them, i think it would look better if you added some of the colors from the flags to the interior of the back. just my opinion...

Anthony · « **Reply #113 on:** October 30, 2013, 01:07:16 PM »

Ok, so I jumped into the "Latest Post" to see what was happening and ended up re-reading this entire thread because I could swear I missed somthing or someone switched decks or somthing....I'm no designer, but I have no idea how all the elements of this deck tie together............and now I have a headache.

Don Boyer · « **Reply #114 on:** October 30, 2013, 05:11:08 PM »

Quote from: Sparkz on October 30, 2013, 01:07:16 PM

Ok, so I jumped into the "Latest Post" to see what was happening and ended up re-reading this entire thread because I could swear I missed somthing or someone switched decks or somthing....I'm no designer, but I have no idea how all the elements of this deck tie together............and now I have a headache.

Yeah, this topic does that to people. It doesn't help that what was supposed to be one deck has somehow "sprouted" two more - and I have no idea what the differences are, because they've never been adequately described.

The software industry has a term for projects like this. They call it "vaporware". It's what they call software that so "soft", it only exists as a conference room full of hot air and nothing more.

MrMollusk · « **Reply #115 on:** October 30, 2013, 10:02:52 PM »

Quote from: Sparkz on October 30, 2013, 01:07:16 PM

Ok, so I jumped into the "Latest Post" to see what was happening and ended up re-reading this entire thread because I could swear I missed somthing or someone switched decks or somthing....I'm no designer, but I have no idea how all the elements of this deck tie together............and now I have a headache.

Sprouts is the embodiment of chaos. The son of Eris and Nyarlathotep.

His designs don't make sense and never will. They're impossible to control, so just let it go...

kdklown · « **Reply #116 on:** October 31, 2013, 01:34:05 AM »

Two points of order...

I visit this thread whenever things get heavy and I need a break from reality!

This thread is 6 pages long... Sprouts wins!

Don Boyer · « **Reply #117 on:** October 31, 2013, 07:16:18 AM »

OK, guys, we've had a little fun - now let's get back to topic. What did you guys think of that new deck back?

Anthony · « **Reply #118 on:** October 31, 2013, 12:32:25 PM »

Not diggin the flags, they just look "Plopped" on and don't tie into the design very well.......IMO

Don Boyer · « **Reply #119 on:** October 31, 2013, 01:37:46 PM »

Quote from: Sparkz on October 31, 2013, 12:32:25 PM

Not diggin the flags, they just look "Plopped" on and don't tie into the design very well.......IMO

All that gray doesn't help matters. And the design pattern is really sort of plain.

sprouts1115 · « **Reply #120 on:** November 04, 2013, 10:54:04 AM »

Yea Don I think your right. It's dark, grey and plain. I think I'm wanting to much to soon. I've been bouncing around an idea. Since I'm using 4 colors for my suits Red, Dk Red, Purple, and Black and since I'm stressing the Jokers maybe I should use a Harlequin theme for the back. Just keep it simple. No Texas star, no flag. I think sometimes you just have to step back and look at the whole picture and the solution stares you in the face. What do you think?

Don Boyer · « **Reply #121 on:** November 04, 2013, 11:10:12 AM »

Quote from: sprouts1115 on November 04, 2013, 10:54:04 AM

Yea Don I think your right. It's dark, grey and plain. I think I'm wanting to much to soon. I've been bouncing around an idea. Since I'm using 4 colors for my suits Red, Dk Red, Purple, and Black and since I'm stressing the Jokers maybe I should use a Harlequin theme for the back. Just keep it simple. No Texas star, no flag. I think sometimes you just have to step back and look at the whole picture and the solution stares you in the face. What do you think?

Bro - go SIMPLE. A one-color back in a simple design akin to the classic designs would suit your deck best. It's strange enough without you making it even stranger! Let people adapt to your additional cards without having to mentally process a back that looks like Harley Quinn puked on it... In fact, something like a Bee Diamond Back or the Arizona or California backs (originally Bicycle backs, now found on Dan and Dave's "US Regulation" Vintage Plaids) would be the ideal. I think Diamond Back or similar. Less to have to wrap one's mind around.

sprouts1115 · « **Reply #122 on:** November 06, 2013, 01:33:38 PM »

Thought I would post what I'm doing. I talked to 14 box manufactures and got warm and fuzzy feelings from 3. I sent 2 Bee stock decks using https:// .gostorego.com to these box manufactures. I asked them to take 64 cards of the Bee stock and measure a box. I'm going to ask what are the specific dimensions. I think it will be interesting to find out if they come up with different dimensions. All 3 of the manufactures can emboss and foil. I'm really just interested in the embossing as a possible stretch goal. The reason is I want to make the first run as unique as possible.

http://www.boxprintingcompany.com/Playing_Card_Boxes.htm
http://www.boxcoop.com
http://www.peekpackaging.com

I did talk to Bob Peek personally. He plays Texas Hold'em every Tuesday. His says I might have something. Maybe he might cut me a deal. I do know once you reach 10,000 boxes there is a substantial cost reduction. Hopeful thinking anyways.

This reminds me of Pensacola Florida. 6 months after the hurricane Dennis I wanted to get rid of 23 pine trees. I contacted 15 tree cutters and got 15 quotes ranging from $1500 to $6500. Never go with the highest or lowest bid. I went with a guy that charged me $2300. He tore up my yard with heavy machinery but that was fine. I also check to see if they have insurance. You would be amazed on how many people say let me get back to ya and never return your call...

Hopefully I'll get 3 boxes made and pick the best one for quality and price. I don't think the box sells the cards but it does help to have a nice box, but I am looking at an added expense of at least $3500 for 5000 boxes.

sprouts1115 · « **Reply #123 on:** November 06, 2013, 01:42:25 PM »

sorry for the double post seems BM's site won't show up here. I tried to fix it a number of times but it just won't work that is strange.

Don Boyer · « **Reply #124 on:** November 06, 2013, 02:03:41 PM »

Quote from: sprouts1115 on November 06, 2013, 01:42:25 PM

sorry for the double post seems BM's site won't show up here. I tried to fix it a number of times but it just won't work that is strange.

For future reference, try using URL-shortening sites if you have trouble - I know Alex is working "under the hood" a little right now so the occasional anomaly might crop up.

Also, for future reference, you can actually delete your own posts. You don't even have to ask anyone. It is preferred, however, that you only delete a post that hasn't been replied to yet - if anyone posts after it, just leave it.