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Using good decks for their intended purpose
« on: November 03, 2011, 12:53:45 AM »
 

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I have two Gold Arcanes and I use one of them all the time (Yes I know you guys are going to kill me), but I just want to put it out there that cards are meant to be used and I think it is a huge waste of a good deck to let them sit and collect dust.

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Re: Using good decks for their intended purpose
« Reply #1 on: November 03, 2011, 12:54:52 AM »
 

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I think if I get a rare deck I will make sure to take care of them un like other cards, I never wash hands before using, i use in dirty areas, but with a GA deck i would be more careful.
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« Reply #2 on: November 03, 2011, 12:58:06 AM »
 

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I feel that the intended purpose is based on what the consumer is buying it for. For most it is to use them and enjoy the nuances in the stock and finish, for others it is the art and the want to collect that attracts them to purchase. Personally I like to collect most of my decks, and only use one or two at a time. I enjoy having them displayed on my wall as pieces of art and I enjoy knowing the background behind each of the decks. Not to say that I don't enjoy opening up a new deck every once in a while, but I usually will be fairly particular about which deck I will open and enjoy.
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Re: Using good decks for their intended purpose
« Reply #3 on: November 03, 2011, 01:00:48 AM »
 

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i thought this was going to be about using cards to actually play games with.
have you heard the word???
 

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« Reply #4 on: November 03, 2011, 01:07:00 AM »
 

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i thought this was going to be about using cards to actually play games with.

Haha, funny you would say that. Just yesterday my brother asked for a deck of cards to use for a poker game with his friends. It was actually a tough decision to see what deck I would allow him to use. I have definitely grown a little to attached to some decks I own.
 

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« Reply #5 on: November 03, 2011, 01:12:12 AM »
 

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i know what you mean, curt! The other weekend i went to a party with my good friends and all the sudden they wanted to play some drinking game that involved cards. natrually they look at me and say let us use your deck of cards. I look at them, say hold on, and run to my car and grab my emergency deck of dragon backs for them to use (i had a deck of v6's on me).

and it was a good thing got the "emergency" deck for them to use because they ended up trashing it.

 
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Re: Using good decks for their intended purpose
« Reply #6 on: November 03, 2011, 01:17:27 AM »
 

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so my friends were wanting to play mafia and how you know what you are depends on the card you get, bunch of rowdy crazy caffeine filled teens with my black ghost, do you know have freaked i was. i would have threatened to kill them if damaged but it was a church event.
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« Reply #7 on: November 03, 2011, 03:44:35 AM »
 

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If they don't handle any differently to the regular arcanes but are worth way more.... I'd keep them with intention to resell.
 

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« Reply #8 on: November 03, 2011, 08:27:14 AM »
 

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I think it's okay cause you have 2 of them, keep one and use one.
Why not? :)
 

Re: Using good decks for their intended purpose
« Reply #9 on: November 03, 2011, 01:58:05 PM »
 

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I understand having a collection of things that you like, but what is less clear to me in relation to cards is that if you collect cards and keep them sealed forever, you have missed out on the vast majority of the "art" in the product. At minimum, you have the box and 52 cards (usually 54+) so if you never open that box, you are getting to enjoy less than 2% of what you paid for, which seems a shame.

If you intend to keep and resell, it certainly makes sense to keep it pristine, but if you buy and intend to keep, having it sealed forever would seem to rob you of the most of the tangible enjoyment.

Ultimately, of course, people spend their own money and are free to do whatever makes them happy. :)
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« Reply #10 on: November 03, 2011, 03:07:53 PM »
 

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I open at least one deck of whatever purchase I make and keep the rest sealed. This practice excludes decks like Jerry's.

Anyway, I remember using a deck of RJRTC's for a game of BS with friends. One of them persisted that she shuffle the cards. Oh god. Never let someone else handle your decks! I tend to forget that the only reason my cards (the ones I don't use for practice) are in such great condition is because I know how to handle them properly. Other people view them as items to use and abuse.

Even with magic or cardistry, I avoid doing any sort of performance with a nice deck because often time the response (with magic) is, "Cool! Let me see that!" or with cardistry people very often want to try a move themselves.

Spread awareness, teach people how to treat a deck correctly. :D
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Re: Using good decks for their intended purpose
« Reply #11 on: November 03, 2011, 03:09:29 PM »
 

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lol I never let other people use/touch my cards!
 

Re: Using good decks for their intended purpose
« Reply #12 on: November 03, 2011, 03:38:17 PM »
 

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I love breaking out a tax-stamp sealed deck of New Fans or Rider backs for a poker game.  Adds an historical touch to the evening.

And yes, card games are the "intended purpose."   ;)
 

Re: Using good decks for their intended purpose
« Reply #13 on: November 03, 2011, 10:57:27 PM »
 

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I love breaking out a tax-stamp sealed deck of New Fans or Rider backs for a poker game.  Adds an historical touch to the evening.

And yes, card games are the "intended purpose."   ;)
I definitely agree, however as a magician, cards have a higher purpose than mere games ;) and yes, as long as I have two of a deck I am willing to open one, especially when my magician friends with the Gold Arcanes will spend hours just passing the face cards around to be able to see them in person because they won't open their own deck.
 

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« Reply #14 on: November 03, 2011, 11:27:29 PM »
 

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yes, as long as I have two of a deck I am willing to open one

I always buy two.  One to use, one to save!
 

Re: Using good decks for their intended purpose
« Reply #15 on: November 03, 2011, 11:38:38 PM »
 

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same here... I need another red dragon deck (The red and yellow bike deck) to make that pair if anybody knows where I can find one cheaply.
 

Re: Using good decks for their intended purpose
« Reply #16 on: November 03, 2011, 11:48:26 PM »
 

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red dragon back? target
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Re: Using good decks for their intended purpose
« Reply #17 on: November 28, 2011, 12:10:25 AM »
 

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not back, deck they were printed a while ago, but I can't seem to find them anymore
 

Re: Using good decks for their intended purpose
« Reply #18 on: November 28, 2011, 04:01:36 AM »
 

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not back, deck they were printed a while ago, but I can't seem to find them anymore

You're talking about the MagicMakers deck.  Check some after-market sellers like bmpokerworld.com and the1eyedjack.com.  They're limited and a collector's item but not outrageously expensive.  eBay's a good place to check as well, and also Amazon.

If they don't handle any differently to the regular arcanes but are worth way more.... I'd keep them with intention to resell.

They USED to be better than standard Arcanes.  They were E's first deck to use "performance coating".  Same stuff every other card company calls "magic finish" on their decks.  Now E is using them on most of their decks, eventually all of them.

I love breaking out a tax-stamp sealed deck of New Fans or Rider backs for a poker game.  Adds an historical touch to the evening.

And yes, card games are the "intended purpose."   ;)
I definitely agree, however as a magician, cards have a higher purpose than mere games ;) and yes, as long as I have two of a deck I am willing to open one, especially when my magician friends with the Gold Arcanes will spend hours just passing the face cards around to be able to see them in person because they won't open their own deck.

If I have two of a deck, I'll open one, save one.  If I have only one - I'll still open it!  I want to see the cards in action rather than in a display case, sealed in the box and under shrink-wrap.  If I didn't, I wouldn't have seen how beautiful the Broken Heart deck is.  If I had only one Jerry's Nugget deck, I'd open it as well.  How else would I know about this wonderful texture and feel these cards have, according to the magicians who've used them?  Even with my saved decks, if my open deck gets trashed, I'd open the sealed.  If it wasn't outrageously expensive, I'd probably try finding a replacement, assuming I was still interested in owning another pack.

I open at least one deck of whatever purchase I make and keep the rest sealed. This practice excludes decks like Jerry's.

Anyway, I remember using a deck of RJRTC's for a game of BS with friends. One of them persisted that she shuffle the cards. Oh god. Never let someone else handle your decks! I tend to forget that the only reason my cards (the ones I don't use for practice) are in such great condition is because I know how to handle them properly. Other people view them as items to use and abuse.

Even with magic or cardistry, I avoid doing any sort of performance with a nice deck because often time the response (with magic) is, "Cool! Let me see that!" or with cardistry people very often want to try a move themselves.

Spread awareness, teach people how to treat a deck correctly. :D

I have one guy I work with, I can't hand him a stripper deck to shuffle.  Instead of rotating half the deck along the horizontal axis into his other hand, he rotates them along the vertical axis - meaning he's turned around half the deck the opposite way before he shuffles!

I was using some cheaply-acquired casino decks I got when entertaining at the hospital for a long while, giving away the deck when I was finished.  Two weeks ago I got the urge to try something different and packed some other decks.  I did a trick for a kid with a pack of Tally's where he had to hold half the deck - and didn't realize until it was too late that he'd been eating fried chicken and didn't adequately clean his hands!  One deck of Tally's down the tubes - I left them for him to play with since he greased them all up.
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Re: Using good decks for their intended purpose
« Reply #19 on: November 28, 2011, 04:05:29 AM »
 

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I open at least one deck of whatever purchase I make and keep the rest sealed. This practice excludes decks like Jerry's.

Anyway, I remember using a deck of RJRTC's for a game of BS with friends. One of them persisted that she shuffle the cards. Oh god. Never let someone else handle your decks! I tend to forget that the only reason my cards (the ones I don't use for practice) are in such great condition is because I know how to handle them properly. Other people view them as items to use and abuse.

Even with magic or cardistry, I avoid doing any sort of performance with a nice deck because often time the response (with magic) is, "Cool! Let me see that!" or with cardistry people very often want to try a move themselves.

Spread awareness, teach people how to treat a deck correctly. :D

thats what its like with my friends *shudder* i have them using my cards, they usually bend the corners or something.

lol I never let other people use/touch my cards!


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« Reply #20 on: November 28, 2011, 02:01:41 PM »
 

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lol I never let other people use/touch my cards!


thats the same with me EVAN!!!


Really?  I tend to shy away from Gaff decks for this reason exactly.  I use custom cards when I perform, but if anyone ever said "Can I see those?"  or "Oooh, I know a trick too, let me show you one."  I am always ready to hand over the deck and let them give it a shot.

I like to spend a minute or two before I start performing to explain the cards to people a little bit.  Let them hold them.  Let them admire the artwork.  Also, you get to control what they see that way.   I like to make a point of showing them the joker, asking them to enjoy the artwork of it.  It makes a joker reveal later so much more powerful.
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Re: Using good decks for their intended purpose
« Reply #21 on: November 29, 2011, 01:09:58 AM »
 

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Really?  I tend to shy away from Gaff decks for this reason exactly.  I use custom cards when I perform, but if anyone ever said "Can I see those?"  or "Oooh, I know a trick too, let me show you one."  I am always ready to hand over the deck and let them give it a shot.

I like to spend a minute or two before I start performing to explain the cards to people a little bit.  Let them hold them.  Let them admire the artwork.  Also, you get to control what they see that way.   I like to make a point of showing them the joker, asking them to enjoy the artwork of it.  It makes a joker reveal later so much more powerful.

You could probably use gaff cards if you found ways to add and ditch them as needed.  Maybe a Topit or a Gecko?  Perhaps even a Black Widow?  Or just plain old-fashioned palming?  That would look very impressive, I think.  They see the deck, know it's legit, but suddenly during the trick, you produce the 14 of diamonds or some such.

I'm actually itching to find some old-style gambler's holdouts, for swapping cards and even entire decks.  I'd love messing around with one of those!  I have a Black Widow but didn't quite get the hang of performing smoothly with it; been thinking of selling it.  But I'm veering off-topic here...

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« Reply #22 on: February 11, 2012, 01:53:51 PM »
 

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I think there is no intended purpose: we can do whatever we want with our cards, even tear them to pieces if we wish. And I think that in some case, (i.e. the Monarchs) the box may be much more than 2% of the whole deck.
 

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« Reply #23 on: February 11, 2012, 02:45:18 PM »
 

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@ Nathan... Was it really necessary to BUMP this post from November of last year??? You're really digging deep into the past posts... Let's try and keep it current...
 

Re: Using good decks for their intended purpose
« Reply #24 on: February 11, 2012, 02:47:49 PM »
 

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Haha it's all good! I think we've all revived a couple threads. It'll either spark a new conversation or the thread will just die off again.

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