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Don Boyer · « **on:** January 08, 2013, 10:51:56 AM »

Look what Kete Moon posted about a half-day ago!

(I hope this isn't some kind of mock-up job...)

Imagine a Cage Garden deck...with the now-standard MAGIC FINISH...that doesn't cost a week's pay! [drool]

[/drool] [wipe keyboard]...

Would someone who can read Chinese give us the gist of what he's saying on this page?

http://love.youthwant.com.tw/4/book_readz.php?stud_id=100123572&b_id=3357&p=3358&ftype=9

Siegismyname · « **Reply #1 on:** January 08, 2013, 11:54:02 AM »

Basically it says there will be a third deck in this series. And one of the reasons the first 2 became a limited edition is that USPCC was moving factories. Thus the smaller print run. This would lead me to think that these were the last few decks to be put out by the Ohio plant. Another thing this article mentions would be that this would be a trick deck. Don't know what this means exactly but the article says that this deck would bring us a few surprises in the flourishing and magic aspect. Guess we would have to wait and see.

Don Boyer · « **Reply #2 on:** January 08, 2013, 07:49:39 PM »

Quote from: Siegismyname on January 08, 2013, 11:54:02 AM

Basically it says there will be a third deck in this series. And one of the reasons the first 2 became a limited edition is that USPCC was moving factories. Thus the smaller print run. This would lead me to think that these were the last few decks to be put out by the Ohio plant. Another thing this article mentions would be that this would be a trick deck. Don't know what this means exactly but the article says that this deck would bring us a few surprises in the flourishing and magic aspect. Guess we would have to wait and see.

I'm not surprised that the first two are Ohio-made - they're old enough to be. Quality at the Kentucky plant these days is better, especially on small-run decks using the sheet-fed press. Plus, Magic Finish didn't even really exist then, did it? The Gold Arcanes had it first, as a test deck and I think the Cage Gardens precede that.

As far as "trick deck", it would be most likely that it comes with a pair of gaffs and some card reveals - nothing exceptional. It's not like it's a stripper or a Svengali or something! At most, maybe it has a one-way mark, or perhaps is fully marked - the former being the more likely option.

Lara Krystle "Lane" · « **Reply #3 on:** January 08, 2013, 07:52:52 PM »

Yeap! Siegismyname is right. Thats is the gist of what they said. (i didn't you speak chinese). Oh wait.. you're from singapore.. I should have known.

Anyway yeah. This time when they release the 3rd cage Garden. Im def going to get one or two becuase I missed thei first two and those are now super expensive to say the least. XD

Don Boyer · « **Reply #4 on:** January 08, 2013, 09:34:29 PM »

Guys & Lara, you wouldn't happen to know who's behind the Cage Garden decks?

Lara Krystle "Lane" · « **Reply #5 on:** January 08, 2013, 10:02:16 PM »

Quote from: Don Boyer on January 08, 2013, 09:34:29 PM

Guys & Lara, you wouldn't happen to know who's behind the Cage Garden decks?

A Chinese Cardist designed it. his name is Zhang Xiao. Buts about the extent of my knowledge on the Cage Garden

KPopFever605 · « **Reply #6 on:** January 08, 2013, 10:04:11 PM »

At first glance, the Cage Gardens were strikingly beautiful to me. The high price tag made me desire it all the more. Sadly, I knew I was unable to with the very steep price tag. Now that a new version is coming out, I'm relieved to say that I'll be adding these to my collection if the price is right, as always. I'm definitely looking forward to what the deck has to offer.

Q1: So, Number One and Number Two were the original Kentuckied White and Black ones, right?

Q2: If v3 is the black one, are they going to have v4 in white?

Don Boyer · « **Reply #7 on:** January 09, 2013, 02:16:26 AM »

Quote from: KPopFever605 on January 08, 2013, 10:04:11 PM

Q1: So, Number One and Number Two were the original Kentuckied White and Black ones, right?

Q2: If v3 is the black one, are they going to have v4 in white?

A1: Were there any OTHER ones that you know of? Because, if you read and understood what was posted below, you'd know that Nos. 1 & 2 were both made just before the company moved shop to Erlanger. Perhaps you missed the part where Siegismyname mentioned "And one of the reasons the first 2 became a limited edition is that USPCC was moving factories. Thus the smaller print run," or where I mentioned "I'm not surprised that the first two are Ohio-made." So which is it - you didn't understand, you just skimmed through or you didn't read it at all?

You don't even have the excuse of this being a topic too long to get caught up on...

A2: I have only seen photos of No. 3. I have no idea if more are being considered. Perhaps you should ask Zhang Xiao, the cardist who designed them. Alternately, you could keep tabs of Kete Moon's web page and Facebook page...

Wildereachday · « **Reply #8 on:** January 09, 2013, 12:31:45 PM »

I'm excited for this deck! I wasn't able to pick up any of the original sets.

Curt · « **Reply #9 on:** January 09, 2013, 02:43:08 PM »

Quote from: Wildereachday on January 09, 2013, 12:31:45 PM

I'm excited for this deck! I wasn't able to pick up any of the original sets.

Agreed! I have wanted that original set for a while now... at least this could be a pretty decent substitute.

agera94 · « **Reply #10 on:** January 09, 2013, 05:11:00 PM »

As a new proud owner of the original set; the new set would be pretty nice. On the playing card wiki it says it was produced by fingerdance.net; does that mean it was also sold on there?

KPopFever605 · « **Reply #11 on:** January 09, 2013, 11:03:03 PM »

Quote from: Don Boyer on January 09, 2013, 02:16:26 AM

A1: Were there any OTHER ones that you know of? Because, if you read and understood what was posted below, you'd know that Nos. 1 & 2 were both made just before the company moved shop to Erlanger. Perhaps you missed the part where Siegismyname mentioned "And one of the reasons the first 2 became a limited edition is that USPCC was moving factories. Thus the smaller print run," or where I mentioned "I'm not surprised that the first two are Ohio-made." So which is it - you didn't understand, you just skimmed through or you didn't read it at all? You don't even have the excuse of this being a topic too long to get caught up on...

Well, I thought of it from a Smoke and Mirrors prospective, how both the Black and White decks were called v1, I was wondering if this is the same case. Now, I know it is not. And yes, I did skim through the posts. What do you expect me to do when I have HS HW to do...and I'm not doing it.

Don Boyer · « **Reply #12 on:** January 10, 2013, 06:39:23 AM »

Quote from: agera94 on January 09, 2013, 05:11:00 PM

As a new proud owner of the original set; the new set would be pretty nice. On the playing card wiki it says it was produced by fingerdance.net; does that mean it was also sold on there?

I hope not, since it's a dead website...

Quote from: KPopFever605 on January 09, 2013, 11:03:03 PM

Well, I thought of it from a Smoke and Mirrors prospective, how both the Black and White decks were called v1, I was wondering if this is the same case. Now, I know it is not. And yes, I did skim through the posts. What do you expect me to do when I have HS HW to do...and I'm not doing it.

I've only ever seen that with Smoke and Mirrors, really.

And if you're not doing your homework, that gives you even less excuse for not having read it! In order to add meaningfully to any conversation, it's pretty much a requirement to know what's taken place in it up to present. Not doing so would be like interrupting a spirited discussion on physics with a question about what surfboard wax everyone likes best. When they don't surf. And the nearest ocean wave is at least a thousand miles away.

beefans · « **Reply #13 on:** January 11, 2013, 10:26:34 AM »

Quote from: Don Boyer on January 09, 2013, 02:16:26 AM

A2: I have only seen photos of No. 3. I have no idea if more are being considered. Perhaps you should ask Zhang Xiao, the cardist who designed them. Alternately, you could keep tabs of Kete Moon's web page and Facebook page...

The designer is Zhang Xiaowo,not Zhang xiao.

and I got some information here.
"The Garden V2, which is way much more than a deck,tells a story yet to be understood, and shows a fantasy yet to be realized. It is something unique which no one could possibly distrub."
"You'll see there are changes-besides patterns on the boxes and the rise in quality-it is more than perfect for magic lovers.It achieves your every single aspiration for a deck, and gives you a lot more .Now it's time to release your imagination and dig in!"

Don Boyer · « **Reply #14 on:** January 11, 2013, 11:10:11 AM »

Quote from: beefans on January 11, 2013, 10:26:34 AM

Quote from: Don Boyer on January 09, 2013, 02:16:26 AM
A2: I have only seen photos of No. 3. I have no idea if more are being considered. Perhaps you should ask Zhang Xiao, the cardist who designed them. Alternately, you could keep tabs of Kete Moon's web page and Facebook page...
The designer is Zhang Xiaowo,not Zhang xiao.

and I got some information here.
"The Garden V2, which is way much more than a deck,tells a story yet to be understood, and shows a fantasy yet to be realized. It is something unique which no one could possibly distrub."
"You'll see there are changes-besides patterns on the boxes and the rise in quality-it is more than perfect for magic lovers.It achieves your every single aspiration for a deck, and gives you a lot more .Now it's time to release your imagination and dig in!"

Wow, they must be good - you rarely see so much hyperbole packed into so few sentences...

If I had a buck for every deck that got such gushing praise from the people producing it, I'd have a nice new car by now. Maybe something sportier.

You'll excuse me if I prefer to rate the deck on its merits. Thanks for the intel, though, Beefans.

Frost · « **Reply #15 on:** January 20, 2013, 01:46:35 AM »

I got the full name of this deck it's called the "Bicycle Truth Garden" here is a picture of what i am talking about .

Don Boyer · « **Reply #16 on:** January 20, 2013, 02:16:28 AM »

Quote from: Frost on January 20, 2013, 01:46:35 AM

I got the full name of this deck it's called the "Bicycle Truth Garden" here is a picture of what i am talking about .

It's an odd name, but who cares if the cards are great!

Anyone get word yet about when this puppy gets released?

Lara Krystle "Lane" · « **Reply #17 on:** January 21, 2013, 10:32:09 AM »

No word here in Beijing yet. I've been asking the magic shops around and they said they don't know for sure. But they are all anticipating it as well. The Cage Gardens were such a big thing in the Chinese Magic/Card community just like the rest of us. They covet it more than the DDs and Nuggets... well thats what the person said though.

Frost · « **Reply #18 on:** January 21, 2013, 11:21:46 AM »

I found this other picture on kete moon's facebook and there was a article that when't with it and at the top it said garden v2 ? Here is the article you can Google translate it if you want to read it . http://love.youthwant.com.tw/4/book_readz.php?stud_id=100123572&b_id=3374&p=3375&ftype=9

Don Boyer · « **Reply #19 on:** January 21, 2013, 07:33:44 PM »

I dug a little deeper on youthwant and found these: a joker, a blurred image of a gaff card and the AoS.

jmrock · « **Reply #20 on:** January 21, 2013, 09:24:46 PM »

Could someone please clarify for me. I, too, have always wanted a set of Cage Gardens but never pulled the trigger due to their outrageous price... However, this was more of a want due to their rarity, not their design at all. But again, I need clarification on why this is a V.3... I know of the original set of Black & White Cage Gardens... Was the White or Black considered V.1 and the other considered V.2, or is there actually a second design called V.2...? Thanks...

KPopFever605 · « **Reply #21 on:** January 21, 2013, 10:10:21 PM »

Quote from: jmrock on January 21, 2013, 09:24:46 PM

Could someone please clarify for me. I, too, have always wanted a set of Cage Gardens but never pulled the trigger due to their outrageous price... However, this was more of a want due to their rarity, not their design at all. But again, I need clarification on why this is a V.3... I know of the original set of Black & White Cage Gardens... Was the White or Black considered V.1 and the other considered V.2, or is there actually a second design called V.2...? Thanks...

Correct me if I'm wrong, but here's the breakdown:

Based on the eBay picture of this pair, the original, highly priced BLACK deck is No.1
The original, highly priced White deck is No. 2.
These two decks, in a set, are considered by many to be called "Version 1".

Based on the current pictures, the newly remade "Truth Gardens" in BLACK is known as No. 3.
Assuming a white version will be released, these two new decks will be called "Version 2".

Don Boyer · « **Reply #22 on:** January 22, 2013, 12:05:05 AM »

Quote from: KPopFever605 on January 21, 2013, 10:10:21 PM

Quote from: jmrock on January 21, 2013, 09:24:46 PM
Could someone please clarify for me. I, too, have always wanted a set of Cage Gardens but never pulled the trigger due to their outrageous price... However, this was more of a want due to their rarity, not their design at all. But again, I need clarification on why this is a V.3... I know of the original set of Black & White Cage Gardens... Was the White or Black considered V.1 and the other considered V.2, or is there actually a second design called V.2...? Thanks...
Correct me if I'm wrong, but here's the breakdown:

Based on the eBay picture of this pair, the original, highly priced BLACK deck is No.1
The original, highly priced White deck is No. 2.
These two decks, in a set, are considered by many to be called "Version 1".

Based on the current pictures, the newly remade "Truth Gardens" in BLACK is known as No. 3.
Assuming a white version will be released, these two new decks will be called "Version 2".

Based on what I've seen on the AoS and the boxes, I'd say it might be more like this.

We have the Bicycle Garden Series - think of it like a book.
We have the Bicycle Cage Garden decks - think of them like the first chapter, with No. 01 and No. 02 being the pages.
This would make Bicycle Truth Garden No. 03 the first page in the second chapter, third page in the book overall - and that book's still being written.

I would not be surprised at all to see this come out either very close to or at the same time as Bicycle Truth Garden No. 04 - the "white" counterpart to No. 03. Granted, I'm presuming - I have no actual knowledge of No. 04 existing as of yet.

It reminds me of how Trent Reznor put out all his Nine Inch Nails releases with a "halo" number. Regardless of the different albums and the singles and DVDs that went with them, they kept getting consecutively numbered. I thought it was rather convenient, since it let you know if there were any gaps in your collection!

Frost · « **Reply #23 on:** January 22, 2013, 12:27:14 AM »

I found another picture of this deck .

Lara Krystle "Lane" · « **Reply #24 on:** January 22, 2013, 07:26:39 PM »

I always liked the Cage garden jokers.
I was told that the best way to see updates on anything here in China is to use Weibo.com. Its kinda like their facebook/twitter since those two are blocked here. I'm going to try and see if I can find news about this.

That gaff card is looking very crowded to me. I'm not much of a magician so I don't know how that is going to be used >.< 15 pips (clubs and diamonds) although I am very curious to see.

lets all cross our fingers that it won't be ridiculously priced. Even now I can't afford to the the First and second cage gardens. Its those or a new camera.