In what casino are these cards?

[rave]

I have these two cards, does anyone know which casino belong?

thanks

[Don Boyer]

I have these two cards, does anyone know which casino belong?

thanks

This is more of an educated guess, but I'd say no casino at all.  I've seen many cheap "knockoff" manufacturers of playing cards use similar back designs.  In general, when a casino commissions a deck, it's meant not only to function at the table but also to work as a form of advertisement, with the name/logo of the place nice and big, easily identifiable.  The only deck even close to as plain as this that I've seen used in an actual casino would be the Wynn "signature W" decks - by for all intents and purposes, the "W" really is more like a company logo than just a "W".

That, and I've never heard of a casino so humbly named as the "Y" Casino.  A Google search for "y casino" converts the "y" to Spanish, which translates as "and", and kicks out results with "and Casino" in the title.  You'd think if there was a Y Casino that it would be more prominently listed in such a search based on its relevance.

One last factor - most casinos don't use borderless cards with a simple pattern like that anymore.  They've added some kind of border or another to make certain card sleights more difficult (not impossible, just more difficult and more likely to be spotted if done poorly).  I'm assuming the top card is borderless and I can see that the bottom card is.

[rave]

Interesting. I will try to contact a friend who is an expert in casinos.

Thanks Don.

[Magic_Orthodoxy]

One last factor - most casinos don't use borderless cards with a simple pattern like that anymore.  They've added some kind of border or another to make certain card sleights more difficult

I'm not trying to disagree, only to add my 2 cents.  I made a trip out to Vegas almost once a year, always bought decks from Casinos and all of my decks (almost 50) are borderless. The reason wasn't so much for card sleights, but for amateur marking. Having no border on a card keeps the players from marking key cards on the white border while the cards are in play.

The other reason is that cheap decks are not always consistent in their border printing/cutting. Some if examined can be seen to be thicker or wider depending on where the card is cut, card sharks will memorize border cuts with cards that are in play.

I am sure Don is right in that many Casinos are changing their policies. Who am I to know the mind of a Casino owner? But I agree with Don, a true Casino has their logo on the back - if these are cards from a legit Casino, i'd be surprised if you could discover who it is, it's probably just some whole in the wall.

[Don Boyer]

One last factor - most casinos don't use borderless cards with a simple pattern like that anymore.  They've added some kind of border or another to make certain card sleights more difficult

I'm not trying to disagree, only to add my 2 cents.  I made a trip out to Vegas almost once a year, always bought decks from Casinos and all of my decks (almost 50) are borderless. The reason wasn't so much for card sleights, but for amateur marking. Having no border on a card keeps the players from marking key cards on the white border while the cards are in play.

The other reason is that cheap decks are not always consistent in their border printing/cutting. Some if examined can be seen to be thicker or wider depending on where the card is cut, card sharks will memorize border cuts with cards that are in play.

I am sure Don is right in that many Casinos are changing their policies. Who am I to know the mind of a Casino owner? But I agree with Don, a true Casino has their logo on the back - if these are cards from a legit Casino, i'd be surprised if you could discover who it is, it's probably just some whole in the wall.

A low-end casino or one aimed more at locals than tourists might use an inexpensively-made unbordered deck for blackjack or baccarat.  Players aren't permitted to handle the cards at those tables, only the dealer.  But an enterprising dealer with a second-deal shoe and improvised markings could use that to their advantage.

Most poker these days is played with a bordered deck made of plastic.  It's tougher for the players to create impromptu crimps and nicks to serve as markings, and daubs and other wipe-on substances can be spotted from the eye-in-the-sky with light filters.

These days, big-money casinos or resort chains will generally not use borderless decks.  There's too much at stake.  It's not to say that cheating never occurs, but that they tend to be extremely vigilant about stopping it.

Also, it should be noted that some casinos make decks that were never made for table play, just for sale to customers.  Because a lot of people remember the traditional Bee and "Bee-like" patterns, some of those decks will be made without borders - but those decks aren't used on the floor.  A good sign that this might be the case would be if the deck is unbordered and uncanceled - the only time you find uncanceled decks in the same patterns/colors as were used on the table is if that color/pattern has been retired and replaced.

[Strag]

A low-end casino or one aimed more at locals than tourists might use an inexpensively-made unbordered deck for blackjack or baccarat.  Players aren't permitted to handle the cards at those tables, only the dealer.  But an enterprising dealer with a second-deal shoe and improvised markings could use that to their advantage.

It all depends.  Many "low-end" casinos do have single or double deck blackjack where the cards can be handled by the player.  Almost ALL casinos around the world use unbordered (borderless) decks for pit games.

These days, big-money casinos or resort chains will generally not use borderless decks.  There's too much at stake.  It's not to say that cheating never occurs, but that they tend to be extremely vigilant about stopping it.

Simply untrue.  Almost exclusively they use borderless decks.  Really have no idea where you are getting this information.  The only place bordered decks are used is in the poker room.  Also while cheating does occur, it's not happening with the marking of cards (not these days).  There are lots and lots of ways for cheating to occur without touching the cards.  The lack or inclusion of a border would probably stop less than 1% of the cheating that goes on today.

Also, it should be noted that some casinos make decks that were never made for table play, just for sale to customers.  Because a lot of people remember the traditional Bee and "Bee-like" patterns, some of those decks will be made without borders - but those decks aren't used on the floor.  A good sign that this might be the case would be if the deck is unbordered and uncanceled - the only time you find uncanceled decks in the same patterns/colors as were used on the table is if that color/pattern has been retired and replaced.

And this is my point.  Almost all decks sold in gift shops that are borderless will have been in play and are cancelled.  "Marketing" style decks are usually uncancelled, have borders and have never seen play in a pit (and are usually horrible quality).

The only "major" casino decks I can think of that has borders are Wynns, although I'm sure there can be a few others.  The vast vast majority are without borders.

Don, you have a lot of valuable information but I'm afraid in this case most of what you have said is quite incorrect.

[Magic_Orthodoxy]

The only place bordered decks are used is in the poker room.

The ONE place I have never been in any Casino.

[Don Boyer]

A low-end casino or one aimed more at locals than tourists might use an inexpensively-made unbordered deck for blackjack or baccarat.  Players aren't permitted to handle the cards at those tables, only the dealer.  But an enterprising dealer with a second-deal shoe and improvised markings could use that to their advantage.

It all depends.  Many "low-end" casinos do have single or double deck blackjack where the cards can be handled by the player.  Almost ALL casinos around the world use unbordered (borderless) decks for pit games.

These days, big-money casinos or resort chains will generally not use borderless decks.  There's too much at stake.  It's not to say that cheating never occurs, but that they tend to be extremely vigilant about stopping it.

Simply untrue.  Almost exclusively they use borderless decks.  Really have no idea where you are getting this information.  The only place bordered decks are used is in the poker room.  Also while cheating does occur, it's not happening with the marking of cards (not these days).  There are lots and lots of ways for cheating to occur without touching the cards.  The lack or inclusion of a border would probably stop less than 1% of the cheating that goes on today.

Also, it should be noted that some casinos make decks that were never made for table play, just for sale to customers.  Because a lot of people remember the traditional Bee and "Bee-like" patterns, some of those decks will be made without borders - but those decks aren't used on the floor.  A good sign that this might be the case would be if the deck is unbordered and uncanceled - the only time you find uncanceled decks in the same patterns/colors as were used on the table is if that color/pattern has been retired and replaced.

And this is my point.  Almost all decks sold in gift shops that are borderless will have been in play and are cancelled.  "Marketing" style decks are usually uncancelled, have borders and have never seen play in a pit (and are usually horrible quality).

The only "major" casino decks I can think of that has borders are Wynns, although I'm sure there can be a few others.  The vast vast majority are without borders.

Don, you have a lot of valuable information but I'm afraid in this case most of what you have said is quite incorrect.

I'll admit that much of my information is second-hand and could be inaccurate, but in my own direct experience I've seen Bee Stingers used - a fade-to-white border that's commonly used in casinos and is only seen elsewhere on the black and red Stingers that T11 released.  It's practically reserved for casino use.  A plastic bridge deck with the casino logo was used at the poker table (where I got my butt handed to me)...