All Tally Ho Viper versions???

[crazyfandecks]

I found these images long ago on wikidot, but still not know what's the difference between them so anyone could help me know why & when they have these difference 

[Don Boyer]

I found these images long ago on wikidot, but still not know what's the difference between them

so anyone could help me know why & when they have these difference 

They aren't really versions - they're printings.  There were minor changes in the box design between printings, as well as a change in card stock.

Plainly put, there was only two versions - all-silver pips (Fan Back), and silver-and-red pips (Circle Back).  The Circle Back was discontinued at the same time as the Bicycle Black Tiger all-white pip deck.  I believe that the Circle Back version came first.

In those images, I believe the deck you see without the barcode was the first printing they made, followed by the deck to its left.  In the box designs in the second image, you're seeing the silver/red Circle Back deck with the simple "Viper" logo, a later design with the silver/red Circle Back and a "Viper" logo with a descended "V" and "R" to resemble viper fangs and lastly, an all-silver Fan Back sans the "Viper" logo, which I presume is the current model.

Don't quote me on this, but I believe that like most of the older Ellusionist decks, these were available, depending on when you bought them, in either an Air Cushion finish (couldn't tell you which stock, possibly Bicycle Casino) or an Air Flow finish on UV500 stock (reactive with UV light).  However, due to the lack of white surfaces, I suspect this deck may never have had a UV500 Air Flow version, since the UV500 stock was very costly and without any of the plain surface visible, there was no white to react with UV light.  I will say, however, that the most recent version (Fan Back only) is probably in Performance Coating/Finish (they've used both terms before, it's just another name for Magic Finish) on a heavy-grade USPC stock.

Some collectors go all freaky about the different printings and will pay a premium for the older ones, while others who aren't completists and are more into the design and using the cards really aren't bothered by this as much - some flourishers might even prefer the newer Fan Back deck, since the all-silver pips look nice in fans and the Performance Coating makes fans silky smooth.

Be careful about becoming a completist collector - down that path, madness lies... 

[crazyfandecks]

thanks for help . My goal is bringing all Tally Ho's brand into my collection (Maeda & Spit Spades original also) so curious abt these difference printing. This info  could help me a lot

[Don Boyer]

thanks for help . My goal is bringing all Tally Ho's brand into my collection (Maeda & Spit Spades original also) so curious abt these difference printing. This info  could help me a lot

Don't forget the pink, orange and brown-backed versions.  And the gold edition.  Will you be going vintage as well?  You'd be shocked at the number of vintage backs were used on the Tally Ho line over the years.  In fact, the Bicycle Dragon Back design, which USPC claimed was a "lost, unprinted Bicycle back" was in fact an old Tally Ho design when it was originally printed several decades ago.  I got to see a mere handful of them when I was invited to meet Tom and Judy Dawson on Memorial Day weekend last year - the collection is amazing and rather awe-inspiring.

[crazyfandecks]

Don't forget the pink, orange and brown-backed versions.  And the gold edition.  Will you be going vintage as well?  You'd be shocked at the number of vintage backs were used on the Tally Ho line over the years.  In fact, the Bicycle Dragon Back design, which USPC claimed was a "lost, unprinted Bicycle back" was in fact an old Tally Ho design when it was originally printed several decades ago.  I got to see a mere handful of them when I was invited to meet Tom and Judy Dawson on Memorial Day weekend last year - the collection is amazing and rather awe-inspiring.

brown back??? right now i just planned to find Black set, Gold Trim (USPCC & Maeda either) Titanium, Vipers and Orange. Green, Pink and Silver just had. but Brown color

[Don Boyer]

Don't forget the pink, orange and brown-backed versions.  And the gold edition.  Will you be going vintage as well?  You'd be shocked at the number of vintage backs were used on the Tally Ho line over the years.  In fact, the Bicycle Dragon Back design, which USPC claimed was a "lost, unprinted Bicycle back" was in fact an old Tally Ho design when it was originally printed several decades ago.  I got to see a mere handful of them when I was invited to meet Tom and Judy Dawson on Memorial Day weekend last year - the collection is amazing and rather awe-inspiring.

brown back??? right now i just planned to find Black set, Gold Trim (USPCC & Maeda either) Titanium, Vipers and Orange. Green, Pink and Silver just had. but Brown color

Oh, yeah, lots of colors - and the gold-bordered Maeda deck comes in LIGHT BLUE as well - very rare...

[crazyfandecks]

my goal is collecting these: Split spades original (3 color), Gold Trim/border (3 of Maeda & 2 of USPCC), Green Tally, Pink Tally, Orange Tally (2 back), Black Tally (2 back), Red (2 back), Blue (2 back), mini tally (2 color), Titanium (2 color), Viper (2 back & dont know how many diff boxes  ) any else i need to put into my list?! 

[Don Boyer]

I heard rumor of a brown one, probably Circle Back.

To my knowledge, the mini-Tally doesn't come in red - it comes in blue Circle Back only.  It is sold in a boxed set from Tomohiro Maeda including some magic instructions in Japanese.  Same for the "Platinum Edition" deck - a silver-bordered green Circle Back deck in a boxed set from Maeda, complete with a whole lot of very nice stickers, some of which could be used for performing magic.

[crazyfandecks]

found on Internet Market (including Magic shops and stores) the mini tally have both red and blue. The Platinum/Green Tally already have. but the brown ones never heard  where do u heard abt it 

[Don Boyer]

found on Internet Market (including Magic shops and stores) the mini tally have both red and blue. The Platinum/Green Tally already have. but the brown ones never heard  where do u heard abt it 

Probably on here.  I could be wrong, though.  If it doesn't turn up in a Google image search for "Tally Ho," don't sweat it.

I wouldn't worry about the mini-THs, really.  They're contracted out to a third party and have none of the feel of the real cards.

[Card Player]

thanks for help . My goal is bringing all Tally Ho's brand into my collection (Maeda & Spit Spades original also) so curious abt these difference printing. This info  could help me a lot

Don't forget the pink, orange and brown-backed versions.  And the gold edition.  Will you be going vintage as well?  You'd be shocked at the number of vintage backs were used on the Tally Ho line over the years.  In fact, the Bicycle Dragon Back design, which USPC claimed was a "lost, unprinted Bicycle back" was in fact an old Tally Ho design when it was originally printed several decades ago.  I got to see a mere handful of them when I was invited to meet Tom and Judy Dawson on Memorial Day weekend last year - the collection is amazing and rather awe-inspiring.

Don

The gold edition, is that the gold border decks? Who produced those? Are those custom or uspcc produced?

[Don Boyer]

thanks for help . My goal is bringing all Tally Ho's brand into my collection (Maeda & Spit Spades original also) so curious abt these difference printing. This info  could help me a lot

Don't forget the pink, orange and brown-backed versions.  And the gold edition.  Will you be going vintage as well?  You'd be shocked at the number of vintage backs were used on the Tally Ho line over the years.  In fact, the Bicycle Dragon Back design, which USPC claimed was a "lost, unprinted Bicycle back" was in fact an old Tally Ho design when it was originally printed several decades ago.  I got to see a mere handful of them when I was invited to meet Tom and Judy Dawson on Memorial Day weekend last year - the collection is amazing and rather awe-inspiring.

Don

The gold edition, is that the gold border decks? Who produced those? Are those custom or uspcc produced?

There have been two separate editions of gold-bordered Tally Ho decks.  (Yes, that's the Gold Edition.)  To my knowledge, the first printing of the gold edition was directly from USPC, and it came in the standard red and blue.  A second printing was made at the behest of magician Tomohiro Maeda.  The second printing has (if I recall correctly) one standard joker and one custom Maeda joker.  In addition, this printing added a third color, a pale sky blue, which appears to be available in smaller quantities - at the least, it does capture a premium in the secondary market, making it probably the most expensive modern Tally Ho deck on the market.  Last time I looked, when I could find one, it was going for about $60.  All of the Gold Edition decks are Circle Backs and made in Cincinnati.

Now, you have to exercise caution when purchasing - and storing - the two Gold Edition printings.  The tuck boxes between them are 100% IDENTICAL, not the slightest difference, not even in the bar code.  From the outside, you have no way of knowing which version of the deck you purchased.  Dealers who know this are usually careful about sourcing and storing these decks, being careful not to mix the two.  If you get both printings and don't carefully label them or consistently store them in different places, you won't know which is which.  (Maybe that's why sky blue costs more - because of its color, it's the only one immediately recognizable as a Maeda Gold Edition!)

The green Tally Ho deck by Maeda is technically called the Platinum Edition, due to the silver border around the green back.  If you get the deck in the original boxed set with the stickers, you'll see it's labeled as such.

[Card Player]

thanks for help . My goal is bringing all Tally Ho's brand into my collection (Maeda & Spit Spades original also) so curious abt these difference printing. This info  could help me a lot

Don't forget the pink, orange and brown-backed versions.  And the gold edition.  Will you be going vintage as well?  You'd be shocked at the number of vintage backs were used on the Tally Ho line over the years.  In fact, the Bicycle Dragon Back design, which USPC claimed was a "lost, unprinted Bicycle back" was in fact an old Tally Ho design when it was originally printed several decades ago.  I got to see a mere handful of them when I was invited to meet Tom and Judy Dawson on Memorial Day weekend last year - the collection is amazing and rather awe-inspiring.

Don

The gold edition, is that the gold border decks? Who produced those? Are those custom or uspcc produced?

There have been two separate editions of gold-bordered Tally Ho decks.  (Yes, that's the Gold Edition.)  To my knowledge, the first printing of the gold edition was directly from USPC, and it came in the standard red and blue.  A second printing was made at the behest of magician Tomohiro Maeda.  The second printing has (if I recall correctly) one standard joker and one custom Maeda joker.  In addition, this printing added a third color, a pale sky blue, which appears to be available in smaller quantities - at the least, it does capture a premium in the secondary market, making it probably the most expensive modern Tally Ho deck on the market.  Last time I looked, when I could find one, it was going for about $60.  All of the Gold Edition decks are Circle Backs and made in Cincinnati.

Now, you have to exercise caution when purchasing - and storing - the two Gold Edition printings.  The tuck boxes between them are 100% IDENTICAL, not the slightest difference, not even in the bar code.  From the outside, you have no way of knowing which version of the deck you purchased.  Dealers who know this are usually careful about sourcing and storing these decks, being careful not to mix the two.  If you get both printings and don't carefully label them or consistently store them in different places, you won't know which is which.  (Maybe that's why sky blue costs more - because of its color, it's the only one immediately recognizable as a Maeda Gold Edition!)

The green Tally Ho deck by Maeda is technically called the Platinum Edition, due to the silver border around the green back.  If you get the deck in the original boxed set with the stickers, you'll see it's labeled as such.

Thanks for the info. I don't think I will be buying them (gold border edition). I never liked the look of the gold border. I want to add a few decks of limited tally ho's to my collection but those gold edition are not it.

[Don Boyer]

Thanks for the info. I don't think I will be buying them (gold border edition). I never liked the look of the gold border. I want to add a few decks of limited tally ho's to my collection but those gold edition are not it.

No sweat.  Personally, I'd rather have a new brick of Tally Ho.  I've grown fonder of the Fan Backs ever since I spotted the one-way mark on the Circle Backs!  I'm still convinced that the mark was an accident that took place when preparing a new printing plate and was simply left in for pretty much all recent printings.

[crazyfandecks]

by the way, do anyone have information about Pink and Orange Tally Ho look like they are only sales at Asia and I even heard rumors about Orange have Fan back. not much information

[Don Boyer]

by the way, do anyone have information about Pink and Orange Tally Ho look like they are only sales at Asia and I even heard rumors about Orange have Fan back. not much information

You have about as much information as I do.  More, in fact, since I never heard of the orange Fan Backs.  I own the pink, haven't gotten the orange yet.  I think I ordered them from an Asian-based retailer online.  Consider also JP Playing Cards - he's based in the UK but he often manages to get in some rarities from elsewhere.