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ruicorreia · « **on:** October 14, 2013, 07:11:15 AM »

According to the photo posted today on FB, it seems that 4PM Designs has a new deck coming: the Legacy Deck, available in red and blue.

Card Player · « **Reply #1 on:** October 14, 2013, 12:12:52 PM »

Well... I like the name. "legacy"

I don't know about the design, I need to see more. JN red/blue?

I try to stay away from bicycle branded "custom" decks. D&D's New Fan Backs and Theory11 Bicycle Centurions are the exception to that rule. I own other Bicycle decks but they are actually produced by Bicycle/USPCC, not custom.

I think this will be a successful project for 4PM. It's not for me though.

Don Boyer · « **Reply #2 on:** October 14, 2013, 09:45:56 PM »

Box looks nice. Not much else to comment on.

Nurul · « **Reply #3 on:** October 15, 2013, 04:11:59 AM »

The tuck reminds me of the club 808 cigar deck

MrMollusk · « **Reply #4 on:** November 19, 2013, 07:39:35 PM »

New pictures & info via Kickstarter Update.

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We are excited to announce that coming November 29th/Black Friday is our newest deck(s)...

Bicycle® Legacy

Since 1885, the USPCC has printed their most popular and demanded brand of playing cards around the world, Bicycle. Although there has been many variations of their back designs, one has remained the most influential, the "rider back". The design has been color swapped, and modified to fit other themes, but overall the design has stayed the same. With keeping in the tradition of what makes the design great, we have worked with the USPCC to push what makes the rider back great and bring you a new design inspired by the original. A design which keeps the integrity of what we are familiar with, yet something new to add to its LEGACY. BICYCLE LEGACY is a TRUE set of unique poker cards. This means both decks have identical faces with 2 back color variations. Hand drawn courts, aces, and joker cards add to the decks appeal while a simplistic layout keeps the deck familiar. This makes LEGACY a great deck for performers of magic and cardistry, while bringing something fresh to your weekend poker games.

This time around, we are doing something new for our Early Bird Backers. In the spirit of Black Friday Specials, we will have our own included on DAY ONE. But read carefully, both specials have time limits.

Hope to see you then!

- 4PM DESIGNS

I like what I see so far. The back design's a pretty cool tribute to the Riderback.

The ace and court card layout looks a bit Jackson Robinson-esque, no? I'm not complaining, though. They look great.

Shade · « **Reply #5 on:** November 20, 2013, 12:25:25 AM »

I like the backs, the angel wings look great. Not sold on the courts or Ace Spades, the border work seems a little much. Maybe they will grow on me, when I see the rest of them. Might have to pick up a couple just for the back design though.

But there are so many other potentially great decks coming out for the holidays, hmmm so many choices, so few Benjamins.

MrMollusk · « **Reply #6 on:** November 20, 2013, 12:41:07 AM »

Quote from: Shade on November 20, 2013, 12:25:25 AM

I like the backs, the angel wings look great. Not sold on the courts or Ace Spades, the border work seems a little much. Maybe they will grow on me, when I see the rest of them. Might have to pick up a couple just for the back design though.

But there are so many other potentially great decks coming out for the holidays, hmmm so many choices, so few Benjamins.

Ain't that the truth.

I figure the only way to keep myself from going insane is to splurge this season. I love 80% the decks that are coming out on KS in the next month.

Bout time, seeing as we've had tons of crap recently.

Don Boyer · « **Reply #7 on:** November 20, 2013, 01:28:34 AM »

I really, really like this deck. The back is gorgeous, the faces are traditional yet different, and there's peek-style tiny indices on the other corner from the standard indices. The style of the backs is very old-school. The court faces could do with a little more color, though.

ronyo_faukx · « **Reply #8 on:** November 20, 2013, 01:44:19 AM »

Quote from: Don Boyer on November 20, 2013, 01:28:34 AM

I really, really like this deck. The back is gorgeous, the faces are traditional yet different, and there's peek-style tiny indices on the other corner from the standard indices. The style of the backs is very old-school. The court faces could do with a little more color, though.

I agree with you Don.

I liked the earlier decks, but this one just feels superior.

verloren · « **Reply #9 on:** November 20, 2013, 02:33:50 AM »

Will ~~probably~~ overspend my budget this month...
Sherlock, Cthulhu, Zin+Mana, Legacy, Pagan...

Don Boyer · « **Reply #10 on:** November 20, 2013, 02:36:59 AM »

Quote from: verloren on November 20, 2013, 02:33:50 AM

Will probably overspend my budget this month...
Sherlock, Cthulhu, Zin+Mana, Legacy...

What? No love for Pagan?

Comes out today!

Seriously, though, the Legacy deck has a classic style to it - I'm reminded of when I saw the Hornets deck for the first time. It feels like it's a design that could easily be decades old - and I mean that in the best possible way! Damn, I wish I didn't need a new car...but hey, it's Christmas in 35 very short days!

verloren · « **Reply #11 on:** November 20, 2013, 03:19:24 AM »

Quote from: Don Boyer on November 20, 2013, 02:36:59 AM

Quote from: verloren on November 20, 2013, 02:33:50 AM
Will probably overspend my budget this month...
Sherlock, Cthulhu, Zin+Mana, Legacy...

What? No love for Pagan? Comes out today!

Seriously, though, the Legacy deck has a classic style to it - I'm reminded of when I saw the Hornets deck for the first time. It feels like it's a design that could easily be decades old - and I mean that in the best possible way! Damn, I wish I didn't need a new car...but hey, it's Christmas in 35 very short days!

Forgot about the Pagan. Added it in on my edit.

Guess I'll be asking which projects will be using Backerkit. That should free up some funds for Legacy and Pagan, since I don't think 4PM or Uusi will be using it.

Don Boyer · « **Reply #12 on:** November 20, 2013, 03:23:17 AM »

Quote from: verloren on November 20, 2013, 03:19:24 AM

Guess I'll be asking which projects will be using Backerkit. That should free up some funds for Legacy and Pagan, since I don't think 4PM or Uusi will be using it.

You should still keep your eyes out for limited edition widgets on those other projects - when those sell out, they tend not to be offered in Backerkit.

John B. · « **Reply #13 on:** November 20, 2013, 08:52:41 AM »

I always love getting more dice but could not spend that much to get them.

CBJ · « **Reply #14 on:** November 29, 2013, 12:33:51 AM »

This has launched!

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/4pm/legacy-a-new-bicycle-playing-card-set-by-4pm-desig

CBJ

badpete69 · « **Reply #15 on:** November 29, 2013, 01:02:29 AM »

Thanks for the post Jason...Just got back from turkey feast...Damn I am still full

Fanofyankees13 · « **Reply #16 on:** November 29, 2013, 01:24:19 AM »

I'm just going to leave this here....

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1722808047/federal-52-a-new-bicycle-playing-card-deck/posts?page=11

The Kings of Spades look rather similar, at least to my eyes. Anyone else see it?

MrMollusk · « **Reply #17 on:** November 29, 2013, 01:44:12 AM »

Quote from: Fanofyankees13 on November 29, 2013, 01:24:19 AM

I'm just going to leave this here....

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1722808047/federal-52-a-new-bicycle-playing-card-deck/posts?page=11

The Kings of Spades look rather similar, at least to my eyes. Anyone else see it?

The styles are definitely similar. The detailed scroll work, the engraved style, etc.

But when you compare the king of spades side by side, they're not TOO similar.

sprouts1115 · « **Reply #18 on:** November 29, 2013, 01:54:17 AM »

Really like the back. I can tell you gave it very carful thought. The secret code is Text "5 of Hearts"

Don Boyer · « **Reply #19 on:** November 29, 2013, 05:45:48 AM »

Quote from: MrMollusk on November 29, 2013, 01:44:12 AM

Quote from: Fanofyankees13 on November 29, 2013, 01:24:19 AM
I'm just going to leave this here....

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1722808047/federal-52-a-new-bicycle-playing-card-deck/posts?page=11

The Kings of Spades look rather similar, at least to my eyes. Anyone else see it?

The styles are definitely similar. The detailed scroll work, the engraved style, etc.

But when you compare the king of spades side by side, they're not TOO similar.

They're really only similar in the way that most cards based on the Anglo-American standard are similar. And the shield behind the spade. And there's that frame-like thing behind the kings. But there's also enough differences that you'd never confuse them for each other unless you were half-asleep and in a big hurry. Jackson's king has a HUGE head compared to the Legacy king, as well as a name banner and a compass across his waist. The Legacy king's head seems more vertical while Jackson's (due to the flowing hair) seems slanted diagonally.

Sher143 · « **Reply #20 on:** December 31, 2013, 07:47:52 PM »

4PM just came out with an update notifying backers that they will cancel the project.

Nurul · « **Reply #21 on:** December 31, 2013, 08:09:24 PM »

That's just stupid. They're at over 13k with over 3 weeks to go. In those 3 weeks they need to hit less than 2K

It makes no sense to cancel it.

Justin O. · Quote from: touya on September 15, 2019, 03:53:04 AM

"As the Legacy struggles forward we have been considering different options for this project and our next. We have gotten plenty of good reactions to the decks and had big plans to continue the Legacy series as long as there was a demand for it. However, it doesn't seem that time is now. Before we go further, no we are not abandoning the Legacy decks. We love our Legacy decks and do plan to release it. We hoped to raise enough to have all the bells and whistles put on the decks but at the rate funding is going, and the costs of producing a minimum of 5,000 decks (2,500/2,500 each color), it makes things difficult... Instead of blatantly canceling then relaunching the project, we are presenting supporters of the 4PM brand some options"
"1. Realizing that a two deck set for the Legacy was a push, we can relaunch with a single deck. Same faces, but the back and tuck may be recolored to fit a single deck release. More than likely a merger of both blue and red.
2. Prepare to launch our secondary deck and hold Legacy for a follow up release later. This new deck is somewhat of an addition to our intended Mythos series, but not following lovecraft stories. Instead it's inspired by a well know series of stories that we are currently writing a short story companion to (currently awaiting USPCC legal approval)."

Looks like people are leaning towards a single Legacy hybrid deck.

Don Boyer · « **Reply #23 on:** December 31, 2013, 09:09:25 PM »

I suspect that they might have underestimated the costs involved in making two decks. $7,500 per deck is really shaving it thin. He should simply stick with the current two-deck plan but make the second deck a stretch goal, should they decide to relaunch.

4pm Designer · « **Reply #24 on:** December 31, 2013, 09:24:55 PM »

Quote from: Don Boyer on December 31, 2013, 09:09:25 PM

I suspect that they might have underestimated the costs involved in making two decks. $7,500 per deck is really shaving it thin. He should simply stick with the current two-deck plan but make the second deck a stretch goal, should they decide to relaunch.

Hey guys, the funds are definite cutting it close, but we are ok with that because we always have reserve funds to cover any issues. It's less about the funding and more about relaunching to focus on one deck. We would rather release a single strong deck than two decks that may linger.