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Re: Vampire and Zombie Playing (KS)
« Reply #25 on: November 27, 2013, 03:50:57 PM »
 

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Zombie cards!

BECAUSE IT HASN'T BEEN DONE BEFORE

That being said, this is definitely one of the worst ones. Cheesy, cobbled together, and generally void of effort.

Cobbled together? Let's see YOUR efforts then. It's taken me six months to do this project. It is far from cobbled. It's critics like you that talk a big game on-line and stunt creativity wherever you go. I'm sorry my work isn't up to your lofty standards... but then again, who are YOU again?

Someone with a brain and a good taste in design.

The deck is lazy, the premise is old and cliche, the theme is cheesy and non-cohesive, the "artwork" is unoriginal and sloppy, the execution is pathetic, the project is a mess, and the designer is delusional.

Take a gander at some other decks on Kickstarter.

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1244376122/pagan-custom-playing-cards
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/erikmana/mana-playing-cards-zinfandel-and-indigo
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1722808047/sherlock-holmes-a-playing-card-deck

See? These have something called "effort" put into the design. They're creative, they're fresh, they're direct and elegant, and they're absolutely amazing.
The response to your deck was unanimous. We all thought it was bad. Because it is.

Now you can spend another hour on the forum wining about it, or you could roll up your sleeves and get to actually designing a deck.

First the word is whining. Not wining. Second this type of trolling may make you feel great about yourself, but is less than useless. My designs are as fresh and interesting as most designs I have researched on line. You think it is bad, because you are jealous. I don;t see your art work displayed here. And you obviously did not watch my video, nor have you researched my other work. I am attempting to make two card decks that are "low tech." They are to be useful, not artistic. You want to see artistic? here is some of my art. One day I may put it on a card deck, But that will be when I am able to. Meanwhile I am a better artist, more creative and published more than YOU WILL EVER BE. So troll away. Flame all you like. And hide behind a group. All you do is hurt people. Which is the only function you seem to have. I hope Krampus finds you and all the other little trolls here to be quite delicious!

Fresh and interesting? No they aren't. They're just piggy-backing off other's greatness. The zombie deck may be original art, but the theme has been beaten to hell and back again.

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/dernjg/postumo-the-deck-of-the-dead?ref=live
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2031961868/return-of-the-deck-of-the-living-dead?ref=search
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/344063227/zombie-origin-deck-of-cards-and-bonus-zombies-arrg?ref=live
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/warpunk/zombie-black-playing-cards-back-from-the-dead?ref=live
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/warpunk/zombie-white-playing-cards-grave-digger-card-game?ref=live
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1380678895/zombie-shuffle?ref=live
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/527023912/the-ultimate-zombie-deck?ref=live
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1579081716/zombie-riders-bicycle-playing-cards?ref=live

Yep. Original idea. My art isn't displayed here because it's not pertinent to playing cards. It's primarily papercutting and ceramics. But if you're so insecure that you need someone to compare yourself to, I posted some of my stuff here. If I was to be jealous, I would be jealous of Uusi's team, Jackson Robinson, Paul Carpenter, or a plethora of other talented, creative designers.

If you wanted the deck to be functional, why did you create the least functional suits possible? Which suit is high? Which one is low? Are the brains "red" or "black"?

Accomplished artist? Please. You've hashed together a few cruddy Kickstarter projects (One of which failed, and the other about to fail) and did a few commissions. Hardly a strong reputation.

My page doesn't have personal information because it doesn't need personal information. I'm not designing a deck, so why do you need a Tumblr or Deviantart? I'm not reviewing decks, so why do you need a Youtube account?

The true mark of an insecure designer is one who equates opinion to trolling. Give Don a call. Maybe he can put this train wreck back on the rails.
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Re: Vampire and Zombie Playing (KS)
« Reply #26 on: November 27, 2013, 04:32:36 PM »
 

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Zombie cards!

BECAUSE IT HASN'T BEEN DONE BEFORE

That being said, this is definitely one of the worst ones. Cheesy, cobbled together, and generally void of effort.

Cobbled together? Let's see YOUR efforts then. It's taken me six months to do this project. It is far from cobbled. It's critics like you that talk a big game on-line and stunt creativity wherever you go. I'm sorry my work isn't up to your lofty standards... but then again, who are YOU again?

Someone with a brain and a good taste in design.

The deck is lazy, the premise is old and cliche, the theme is cheesy and non-cohesive, the "artwork" is unoriginal and sloppy, the execution is pathetic, the project is a mess, and the designer is delusional.

Take a gander at some other decks on Kickstarter.

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1244376122/pagan-custom-playing-cards
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/erikmana/mana-playing-cards-zinfandel-and-indigo
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1722808047/sherlock-holmes-a-playing-card-deck

See? These have something called "effort" put into the design. They're creative, they're fresh, they're direct and elegant, and they're absolutely amazing.
The response to your deck was unanimous. We all thought it was bad. Because it is.

Now you can spend another hour on the forum wining about it, or you could roll up your sleeves and get to actually designing a deck.

First the word is whining. Not wining. Second this type of trolling may make you feel great about yourself, but is less than useless. My designs are as fresh and interesting as most designs I have researched on line. You think it is bad, because you are jealous. I don;t see your art work displayed here. And you obviously did not watch my video, nor have you researched my other work. I am attempting to make two card decks that are "low tech." They are to be useful, not artistic. You want to see artistic? here is some of my art. One day I may put it on a card deck, But that will be when I am able to. Meanwhile I am a better artist, more creative and published more than YOU WILL EVER BE. So troll away. Flame all you like. And hide behind a group. All you do is hurt people. Which is the only function you seem to have. I hope Krampus finds you and all the other little trolls here to be quite delicious!

Fresh and interesting? No they aren't. They're just piggy-backing off other's greatness. The zombie deck may be original art, but the theme has been beaten to hell and back again.

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/dernjg/postumo-the-deck-of-the-dead?ref=live
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2031961868/return-of-the-deck-of-the-living-dead?ref=search
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/344063227/zombie-origin-deck-of-cards-and-bonus-zombies-arrg?ref=live
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/warpunk/zombie-black-playing-cards-back-from-the-dead?ref=live
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/warpunk/zombie-white-playing-cards-grave-digger-card-game?ref=live
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1380678895/zombie-shuffle?ref=live
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/527023912/the-ultimate-zombie-deck?ref=live
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1579081716/zombie-riders-bicycle-playing-cards?ref=live

Yep. Original idea. My art isn't displayed here because it's not pertinent to playing cards. It's primarily papercutting and ceramics. But if you're so insecure that you need someone to compare yourself to, I posted some of my stuff here. If I was to be jealous, I would be jealous of Uusi's team, Jackson Robinson, Paul Carpenter, or a plethora of other talented, creative designers.

If you wanted the deck to be functional, why did you create the least functional suits possible? Which suit is high? Which one is low? Are the brains "red" or "black"?

Accomplished artist? Please. You've hashed together a few cruddy Kickstarter projects (One of which failed, and the other about to fail) and did a few commissions. Hardly a strong reputation.

My page doesn't have personal information because it doesn't need personal information. I'm not designing a deck, so why do you need a Tumblr or Deviantart? I'm not reviewing decks, so why do you need a Youtube account?

The true mark of an insecure designer is one who equates opinion to trolling. Give Don a call. Maybe he can put this train wreck back on the rails.

AMEN to that bro!!!!

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Re: Vampire and Zombie Playing (KS)
« Reply #27 on: November 27, 2013, 10:10:43 PM »
 

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Well, at least you aren't just trolling and flaming now. I am trying to make a card deck that anyone can have some fun with. Not all players and collectors are looking for something over-the-top. I am going low tech on this so people of every stripe can find the cards useful. I have tried Kickstarter before, and of course failed. As most people do. That is not a fear I have or a concern. I am testing the waters here. We will see what happens. But being told in a lame and desultory manner by a group that my cards basically suck, for no other reason than they have an opinion, is not helpful, neither to the human spirit, the artist or the topic at hand. So, you can back with some very interesting and thought provoking things. I will take them all under consideration. And I thank you for taking some of your time to do this. Believe me, if I can get this funded, the frameable print won't be inkjet on office paper. I am an artist. Not a slacker. I know what  a frameable print is. I can see almost no one here did any research on me as an artist or a pro. You can see my work at http://facebook.com/saintalbans1. Also look at the video. It shows exactly how I did the photos reproduced on the cards. As for Bicycle...OK, I put an "and" where I shouldn't have. Sorry. But yes I know it's the same company. I will correct that. Thanks. I seriously doubt I will raise $17,000 or even the whole $3,000 I need, especially when I've got a passle of snipers out for my blood right now! Haha!  As for the copyrighted materials from like Universal Studios, my method is to build a digital piece of art from the ground up. It is not "photoshopped" or cobbled together. It is a painstaking tribute to iconic photos. Please, again, watch the video on Kickstarter. It explains my method. The first Vampire Deck is a Movie Themed deck. Others will be more me. But I am starting with movies for a reason, because everyone knows movie vampires. Which I thought would appeal to those who do not just want to see wild, gory and phantasmagorical art (as most Vampire cards display.) There is a method to my madness. And you  may be right. I may be crazy for even doing this. But NOBODY better say I have not worked for a huge amount of time to come up with a FUN and playable deck of cards. I am working on the box now. Which is why I gave myself 60 days and not 30. I hope you can see that I am a thoughtful person, with talent, who may need guidance, but who finds abusive trolling comments and flames to be simply evil. I've dealt with it before. Your first comment was so dismissive I thought it came from someone who was braindead and given over to nothing but trolling. Instead you, above all the others commenting, have come up with some really good thoughts. So I salute you.

First, I must ask that you not double, triple and quadruple-post.  Just put it all in one post - you can add multiple quotes to a single post.

Even in your replies, you don't seem to clearly understand some of what was mentioned.  Your deck might be "fun", but "playable" is a bit more debatable.

The fact that you seriously doubt you'll raise $17,000 doesn't change the fact that your project has you committed to printing with USPC if you reach $12,000.  YOU WON'T HAVE THE NECESSARY FUNDS TO MEET SUCH A COMMITMENT.  The fact that the commitment is still there tells people that you really don't know what you're doing and puts your ability to deliver on these decks under any circumstances into serious doubt.  Worse, it makes them think you'll never deliver the decks and abscond with the funds if you do hit your goal - it wouldn't be the first time it's happened on Kickstarter.

You choose to call your vampire court images a "painstaking tribute" to the original photos.  But that matters not one bit if everyone else is looking at those same images and thinking "slightly-altered copy" - because regarding of what you call them, that's what they look like and are perceived as, it doesn't matter how painstaking of a tribute they happen to be.  You don't appear to have understood the part where I mentioned that man-hours do not equal creativity.  If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, sounds like a duck and smells like a duck, you can call it a horse all you want - everyone else will still call it a duck, even if it really is a horse.  Again, none of that even touches on the copyright issue - and should you ever print with USPC, if you don't own your work lock, stock and barrel, it will not get printed by them, period.  Their Legal Department are cold-hearted and implacable when it comes to their company being exposed to liability or IP infringement.

Stop abusing the terms "trolling", "flaming", etc.  It's not helping your cause one bit.  You may feel that we have been desultory and that we hurt your feelings.  But you should consider something from that - if one person tells you something's black, you may think it's white and disagree with them.  But the more people who tell you it's black, the harder it becomes to deny the possibility that it may indeed be black...

I could go on for quite some time about this, but unfortunately there are only so many hours in a day and so many things that must get accomplished in them.  My best advice: close this project, complete your designs, create two separate projects.  Ditch the photo reproductions and use original art.  Adjust your designs to account for inclusion of most if not all of the common playing card conventions.  Go over the suggestions you've been given, carefully evaluate them objectively, take the ones that work, ignore the ones that don't.  Count every single penny you're going to need to spend to get this project from drawing board to printing press to every backer's mailbox and use that figure as a starting point for determining your goal and stretch goals.
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Re: Vampire and Zombie Playing (KS)
« Reply #28 on: November 27, 2013, 11:22:21 PM »
 

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I tried not to comment but I just have to say something about this. Running with what Don has mentioned about the copyright issues...you're gonna have copyright issues. Just in case you have any questions about my "expertise", other than running 3 successful kickstarter campaigns for playing cards, I also work in the film industry. Primarily in the horror genre and ironically enough worked with Universal. Regardless of whatever "tribute" artwork you will claim, it's quite obvious it's just a modified image. What you don't seem to understand about copyright law when it comes to film is that studios own not only rights to those images but the LIKENESS of those characters. For example: you can have an illustrator/artist create an original piece of work that has never been emulated in the films, BUT if the character resembles a copyrighted character, in this case Lugosi's Dracula owned by Universal and Chris Lee's Dracula from the hammer films who Warner Bros owns, you will without a shadow of a doubt get sued. They own everything that would resemble their Dracula from Lugosi's widow peak to his cape and in this case, it's a no brainer. My advise, start over and make your own original vampire illustrations. If by any chance this current project funds, believe me when I say, you will have legal issues.

Best of luck

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Re: Vampire and Zombie Playing (KS)
« Reply #29 on: November 28, 2013, 01:32:53 AM »
 

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Yep. Original idea. My art isn't displayed here because it's not pertinent to playing cards. It's primarily papercutting and ceramics. But if you're so insecure that you need someone to compare yourself to, I posted some of my stuff here. If I was to be jealous, I would be jealous of Uusi's team, Jackson Robinson, Paul Carpenter, or a plethora of other talented, creative designers.


Mollusk- some cool stuff. I really like the bowls.

This thing is pretty neat to,



but what is it?

You should drop some of your work in the talk park sometimes.
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Re: Vampire and Zombie Playing (KS)
« Reply #30 on: November 28, 2013, 08:03:39 AM »
 

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You should drop some of your work in the talk park sometimes.

Agreed.  This isn't just off-topic, it's not even from the same continent...  It needed a passport just to get here!  :))

If you want to reply to that, please - in Talk Park.
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Re: Vampire and Zombie Playing (KS)
« Reply #31 on: November 28, 2013, 11:52:16 AM »
 

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You should drop some of your work in the talk park sometimes.

Agreed.  This isn't just off-topic, it's not even from the same continent...  It needed a passport just to get here!  :))

If you want to reply to that, please - in Talk Park.

Sorry. I tried to make the link as discrete as possible.

I wouldn't have posted it if the designer didn't ask me.
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Re: Vampire and Zombie Playing (KS)
« Reply #32 on: November 28, 2013, 12:04:45 PM »
 

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Lets do a break down.  Lets say you get a tube to mail your 8x10 print.  Each 9" S-5813 tube cost .63 from Uline:http://www.uline.com/BL_3653/Kraft-Tubes

Lets say the tube and contents is 2 ounces and you mail it USPS.  It will cost $2.07 for First-class parcel and .90 for USPS tracking. http://postcalc.usps.com
 
I assume your going to mail the first print run card in an envelop.  So .10 for the envelop and .48 for the postage.

So far your $4.18 into your $5 reward and that does not include the cost of your print.  How much is your 8x10 print cost?

Your reward is not clear.  What is half off whole sell price.  I know the price for a USPCC unbranded deck is about $2.25 and for other playing card manufactures you can get them as cheaply as $1.10 per deck.  Can you please explain your reward?  Your 23 days into your Kickstarter you must have an idea where you are going with this.

I have also noticed you included "shipping anywhere in the world"  in this reward, but did not include a shipping fee for international backers.  International backers may be confused if they should pledge to this reward or not.   
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Re: Vampire and Zombie Playing (KS)
« Reply #33 on: November 28, 2013, 01:07:04 PM »
 

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You should drop some of your work in the talk park sometimes.

Agreed.  This isn't just off-topic, it's not even from the same continent...  It needed a passport just to get here!  :))

If you want to reply to that, please - in Talk Park.

Sorry. I tried to make the link as discrete as possible.

I wouldn't have posted it if the designer didn't ask me.
Sorry M.
I think Don was yelling at me more than you. I just think your projects are more interesting then this one.
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Re: Vampire and Zombie Playing (KS)
« Reply #34 on: November 28, 2013, 02:12:24 PM »
 

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I think Don was yelling at me more than you. I just think your projects are more interesting then this one.

Thanks!



For once, Sprouts actually makes sense. Some of the rewards are priced just at the shipping cost. You're going to run into more trouble with shipping if you get past the copyright spat.

Also, if you are printing with the USPCC, the cost will be twice as much because you have 2 decks. You can have a larger print run without paying the starting fees if you have one design, but you're going to have to pay twice as much with 2 designs.

My advice: Close this project, drop one deck or the other, talk with Don, get things sorted and planned out, refine the design, and start a new project with only one deck. The ideal option would be to choose a theme that hasn't been done and done again, but it looks like you're already knee-deep in the design.
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Re: Vampire and Zombie Playing (KS)
« Reply #35 on: November 30, 2013, 12:31:09 PM »
 

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From his update:  http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/94152115/vampire-and-zombie-playing-card-decks-project/posts

"There's a couple of these "Playing Card Collector" sites who seem to be hell bent on destroying the whole Kickstarter culture by making really nasty comments about people's work on these sites. Then those comments goes out to the internet and thousands of prospective backers beg out. They claim to be experts. But most don't even have a website or a bio to look at. And the comments, just trash talk. They didn't even watch my video or really ever look at what I was trying to do.

I want all my backers and supporters to know that these cards were thought out and much of it drawn out by hand or digitally. These have been works that have taken six months to produce. I even produced my own Zombie Font for the Zombie Deck. The only non-St. Albans work is the font on the Vampire deck. But since all these trolls want to play the troll card, I might make up my own font for that as well. The artwork on the Court Cards for the Vampire deck are all digitally painted from the ground up by me. Anyone looking at the video will see the technique I used. These are not photoshopped reproductions. These are lovingly re-crafted digital works. Yes, they are essentially "copies" of old photos. But the effort is monumental. It is a work of love. I wanted movie themed cards that were recognizable to everyone. Using the photos owned by Universal Studio or others would have been prohibitive.

Anyway, some of you like what I am doing! And I really appreciate this! Have a Happy Thanksgiving!"


I give up on this guy he is in his own little world sort of like me.  I'll watch his Kickstarter burn.  I like watching fires. 
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Re: Vampire and Zombie Playing (KS)
« Reply #36 on: November 30, 2013, 09:49:59 PM »
 

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I think his "thousands of potential backers" were scared off of his project by him, no help required.

PS: why is your firefighter carrying a bat?
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