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Re: Ellusionist/Theory11/Other Company Complete Deck History
« Reply #25 on: December 06, 2013, 07:42:06 PM »
 

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Blaine also had some prototype trick decks made. 4 in total. The Svengali is a red deck plus a white deck
 

Re: Ellusionist/Theory11/Other Company Complete Deck History
« Reply #26 on: December 06, 2013, 09:03:07 PM »
 

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Blaine also had some prototype trick decks made. 4 in total. The Svengali is a red deck plus a white deck

Very true.  But I thought the white prototype trick deck was a marked deck...

It's worth noting that those trick decks were David's only Bicycle-branded decks to date.
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Re: Ellusionist/Theory11/Other Company Complete Deck History
« Reply #27 on: December 06, 2013, 10:17:32 PM »
 

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Amended.
 

Re: Ellusionist/Theory11/Other Company Complete Deck History
« Reply #28 on: December 06, 2013, 11:49:41 PM »
 

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If you're planning to give Phantom1412 credit for assisting, you should at least spell her name right!  :))
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Re: Ellusionist/Theory11/Other Company Complete Deck History
« Reply #29 on: December 07, 2013, 01:44:31 AM »
 

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Oh dear that was silly...
 

Re: Ellusionist/Theory11/Other Company Complete Deck History
« Reply #30 on: December 07, 2013, 02:45:07 AM »
 

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Here's a piece of trivia for you...

The Ellusionist 1800s v1 and v2 not only had different tuck boxes (and they were different in a number of ways), they also were printed on different stock. v1 was printed on Bicycle stock, because (according to the public discourse at the time) E was trying to genuinely evoke an older deck, and it was thought that a thinner stock would be more successful at that. However, since the Bee stock was typically more favored by E at the time, customers complained (iirc), and so Bee stock quietly replaced the Bicycle stock. I do not recall a big deal being made when they switched from v1 to v2. I just remember re-ordering a few 1800s and discovering the differences, and then reading the boards that discussed them.

I have no idea if they are still printed on Bee stock. For all I know, they've moved on to a v3....

On a completely different sub-topic:

Do we want to add CARC to this list?

Would it be complete and utter heresy to mention Magic Makers? Even when you strip out their gaff and magic-only decks, they still have a surprisingly large number of customized conventional decks.

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Re: Ellusionist/Theory11/Other Company Complete Deck History
« Reply #31 on: December 07, 2013, 04:35:12 AM »
 

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Devo decks
Blades Silver edition
Blades White edition
Blades Midnight edition
Blades Blood edition
Blades Blood Metal edition
Blades Midnight Edition Blood Spear
Dominion deck
April fool deck
Magician Must Die #1
Magician Must Die #1 Reprint
Magician Must Die #2
Magician Must Die #3
Exquisite

 

Re: Ellusionist/Theory11/Other Company Complete Deck History
« Reply #32 on: December 07, 2013, 06:37:51 AM »
 

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Devo decks
Blades Silver edition
Blades White edition
Blades Midnight edition
Blades Blood edition
Blades Blood Metal edition
Blades Midnight Edition Blood Spear
Dominion deck
April fool deck
Magician Must Die #1
Magician Must Die #1 Reprint
Magician Must Die #2
Magician Must Die #3
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The MMD #1 Reprint is actually known as the Denver Comic Con Sketch Edition.  The tuck box's front face was mostly blank.  It was meant for you to either fill in your own design or get someone at the convention to sketch it in for you, preferably the comic book artist who designed the deck's art.

Here's a piece of trivia for you...

The Ellusionist 1800s v1 and v2 not only had different tuck boxes (and they were different in a number of ways), they also were printed on different stock. v1 was printed on Bicycle stock, because (according to the public discourse at the time) E was trying to genuinely evoke an older deck, and it was thought that a thinner stock would be more successful at that. However, since the Bee stock was typically more favored by E at the time, customers complained (iirc), and so Bee stock quietly replaced the Bicycle stock. I do not recall a big deal being made when they switched from v1 to v2. I just remember re-ordering a few 1800s and discovering the differences, and then reading the boards that discussed them.

I have no idea if they are still printed on Bee stock. For all I know, they've moved on to a v3....

On a completely different sub-topic:

Do we want to add CARC to this list?

Would it be complete and utter heresy to mention Magic Makers? Even when you strip out their gaff and magic-only decks, they still have a surprisingly large number of customized conventional decks.

(I'm ducking my head now...)


It's not heresy to add CARC or Magic Makers, though hearing them in the same sentence does strip one's mental gears a little...  :))

What you're calling versions are simply different print runs.  Sometimes between print runs they tweak the deck a little in one way or another - some simple changes would be something like different ad cards.

I have my doubts that the present printing of Series 1800 is on Bee stock, though - it's too easily flexed and shuffled right out of the box.  Bees are notoriously stiff - riffling a new pack is almost an Olympic sport!  I'd heard, reliably, that they were using Bicycle Casino stock after the company stopped using UV500 stock for cost and availability reasons.  But USPC discontinued the stock, and they were having trouble with the traditional 325gsm Bicycle stock in the new Kentucky presses.  While they now measure the present stock by caliper thickness, it's in the ballpark of 300gsm.  Honestly, it was a bigger deal when they switched from "Air Cushion Finish" to "Performance Coating", better known elsewhere as Magic Finish.  The 1800s were not good performers prior to that upgrade, but now, they're smooth as polished glass and slicker than grease.

Add it all up, though, and it's considered the same deck, same version, just different print runs.

But the better authority to tap for such knowledge would be some of the many people here who've either worked for Ellusionist in the past or still work with them today...it's not like we have a shortage or something!  :))  Jake, Mike, one of you two want to take a crack at this?
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Re: Ellusionist/Theory11/Other Company Complete Deck History
« Reply #33 on: December 07, 2013, 02:03:22 PM »
 

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Included Devo (I stay clear of them so I'm thankful for Phantom1412 again!) and I'll add MagicMakers and Carc in the following weeks. Thanks again everyone!
 

Re: Ellusionist/Theory11/Other Company Complete Deck History
« Reply #34 on: December 07, 2013, 06:01:04 PM »
 

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Also missed out Americana and the new imperial decks from HOPC
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Re: Ellusionist/Theory11/Other Company Complete Deck History
« Reply #35 on: December 07, 2013, 07:17:43 PM »
 

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I thought Americana was just distributed by them? Isn't it CCC?
 

Re: Ellusionist/Theory11/Other Company Complete Deck History
« Reply #36 on: December 07, 2013, 08:20:10 PM »
 

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There are 4 Blaine Prototype decks, and they actually came with custom prototype packaging. 
You can see the prototype packaging AND the final retail packaging in this pic... (Prototypes on the top)



































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Re: Ellusionist/Theory11/Other Company Complete Deck History
« Reply #37 on: December 07, 2013, 09:34:59 PM »
 

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Thank you. You guys are so knowledgeable.
 

Re: Ellusionist/Theory11/Other Company Complete Deck History
« Reply #38 on: December 07, 2013, 11:07:28 PM »
 

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I thought Americana was just distributed by them? Isn't it CCC?

Ah yes, true. I said it because it has the HOPC branding at the bottom of the tuck, no I see it says "distributed by HOPC"
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Re: Ellusionist/Theory11/Other Company Complete Deck History
« Reply #39 on: December 08, 2013, 04:08:51 AM »
 

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I thought Americana was just distributed by them? Isn't it CCC?

Ah yes, true. I said it because it has the HOPC branding at the bottom of the tuck, no I see it says "distributed by HOPC"

The story is that Russell Kercheval, the deck's designer, completed a successful Kickstarter campaign, but his experience on the Brimstone deck showed him the difficulties involved in distribution.  He contacted TBC and they cut a deal whereby HOPC would simply distribute the cards.  Obviously the deal was made sometime before production of the tuck boxes began, since they're branded with TBC and CCCC's names on the bottom.
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Re: Ellusionist/Theory11/Other Company Complete Deck History
« Reply #40 on: December 08, 2013, 01:45:46 PM »
 

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Thank you Don.
 

Re: Ellusionist/Theory11/Other Company Complete Deck History
« Reply #41 on: December 10, 2013, 10:08:40 PM »
 

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I did some research and David Mitchell, the IT guy from E, said that the first 500 or so Gold Arcane decks didn't come out as well as Jason Brumbalow wanted and so they had them touched up and reprinted.
 

Re: Ellusionist/Theory11/Other Company Complete Deck History
« Reply #42 on: December 11, 2013, 11:29:00 AM »
 

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You're missing the Ultragaff by Ellusionist.
Yes, I know it's a gaff deck... but it is a Bicycle branded deck









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Re: Ellusionist/Theory11/Other Company Complete Deck History
« Reply #43 on: December 11, 2013, 02:52:44 PM »
 

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Do you guys think it is worth putting the ultragaff deck on the list? If so, we should probably put the other gaff decks on as well..
 

Re: Ellusionist/Theory11/Other Company Complete Deck History
« Reply #44 on: December 11, 2013, 08:33:32 PM »
 

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Do you guys think it is worth putting the ultragaff deck on the list? If so, we should probably put the other gaff decks on as well..

Well, if you're including stuff like the Blaine magic decks and the White Lions Stealth Cards, you might as well.  They're not playing cards in the strictest definition of the term (you'd never use an Ultragaff deck to play poker), but they are made to be used with playing cards.
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Re: Ellusionist/Theory11/Other Company Complete Deck History
« Reply #45 on: December 11, 2013, 10:02:11 PM »
 

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You could put them in order of appearance, maybe the year too. It should be much easier to have access and identify each deck of playing cards from the history of the company which was created/sold. For the gaff's you could put a * or anothers sign or letter with a note at the end of the list.
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