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Don Boyer · « **Reply #100 on:** February 10, 2014, 11:43:30 PM »

Quote from: 52plusjoker on February 10, 2014, 02:34:08 PM

Are you trying to make Golden Nuggets into the next Jerry's Nuggets?

It's too late - they already are! While not as wildly popular as Jerry's, the Golden Nugget decks have a grewing number of ardent fans tracking them down among the collectors on the forum.

Nurul · « **Reply #101 on:** February 11, 2014, 09:33:04 AM »

Got some decks come through recently. My first ever pinochle deck, I'm loving that back design.

52plusjoker · « **Reply #102 on:** February 11, 2014, 03:00:38 PM »

Nice back indeed! A slight variation of the 1890 's Angel back used by Dougherty and NYCC amongst others.

jmrock · « **Reply #103 on:** February 12, 2014, 12:14:58 PM »

Quote from: Don Boyer on February 02, 2014, 11:24:56 PM

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c.1940-1965 Extremely Rare Bee "Smooth Finish" Sealed 1Cent Square Tax Stamp

I think you got the tax stamp description a little mixed up. That's a 1940-1965 rectangular "1 Pack" tax stamp. There was a square "1 Pack" stamp in use at the time that resembled your "Class A" stamp, but those are clearly rectangular.

Was there a square "10 Cents" stamp on something that you didn't show us? Those were in use right after your "Class A" stamp, followed by the rectangular version in '29.

Don, there is indeed a square 1 Pack Tax Stamp c.1940-1965… It's on the Smooth Finish Bees that Jackson was showing… See the pic below…

Reference the following for additional tax stamp dating info… http://www.endebrock.de/stamps/st-usa.html

Lee Asher · « **Reply #104 on:** February 12, 2014, 12:39:40 PM »

Quote from: jmrock on February 12, 2014, 12:14:58 PM

Don, there is indeed a square 1 Pack Tax Stamp c.1940-1965… It's on the Smooth Finish Bees that Jackson was showing… l

You can also find them on the Cambric ones, too.

52plusjoker · « **Reply #105 on:** February 12, 2014, 12:53:09 PM »

I think both the long and the square were used almost interchangeably by all the various makers and so you should find either on a Bee deck or a Remembrance deck, etc.

Lee Asher · « **Reply #106 on:** February 12, 2014, 02:16:54 PM »

In my mailbox today...

A neat pack of bridge sized Bicycle cards with the cello still on (sorta)...

Don Boyer · « **Reply #107 on:** February 13, 2014, 10:43:10 AM »

Quote from: jmrock on February 12, 2014, 12:14:58 PM

Quote from: Don Boyer on February 02, 2014, 11:24:56 PM

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c.1940-1965 Extremely Rare Bee "Smooth Finish" Sealed 1Cent Square Tax Stamp

I think you got the tax stamp description a little mixed up. That's a 1940-1965 rectangular "1 Pack" tax stamp. There was a square "1 Pack" stamp in use at the time that resembled your "Class A" stamp, but those are clearly rectangular.

Was there a square "10 Cents" stamp on something that you didn't show us? Those were in use right after your "Class A" stamp, followed by the rectangular version in '29.

Don, there is indeed a square 1 Pack Tax Stamp c.1940-1965… It's on the Smooth Finish Bees that Jackson was showing… See the pic below…

Reference the following for additional tax stamp dating info… http://www.endebrock.de/stamps/st-usa.html

Please look at what I wrote. We actually AGREE with each other! I said that there was such a stamp, but that the one we were looking at wasn't that stamp.

Below is the photo that was being referred to. That stamp ain't square!

Anthony · « **Reply #108 on:** February 15, 2014, 10:11:34 PM »

Well my 1st entry into this area, nothing earth shattering, but I found interesting and for what I paid, it could not be beat. So my daughter and myself went and spent the day scouring one of our near by antique malls, I for Zippos and Playing cards, her for books.

1st off a Virginia Slims two pack, one red and one blue in a deck sleeve. The Yellow/Blue deck is open and the other is still sealed.

The other deck is an Arco deck with die-cut openings on the tuck. I've never seen anything like it before, they looked very cool. The tuck case has been opened but the deck is still sealed in the gold foil. Any info on this one would be appreciated.

We had fun

Don Boyer · « **Reply #109 on:** February 16, 2014, 01:24:33 AM »

WOW. That Club Casino deck is awesome. Classic Arrco back. Just wish it wasn't a Pinochle deck!

I can tell you a few things right off the bat.

The barcode would indicate that the deck was probably made in the 1980s. Barcodes, while they did exist in the 1970s, were not as common until later - USPC didn't start using them until the 1980s. They're certainly no older than the introduction of commercial product bar coding, which took place after December 1, 1972, the date that UPCs (Universal Product Codes) were accepted as a standard for retail product identification.

They're also not likely to be any younger than sometime in 1987 - that was the year that Arrco was purchased by USPC, and not long after that the Chicago plant referenced on the box was shut down and manufacturing was moved to USPC in Cincinnati. In fact, a little research at https://sites.google.com/site/cardconjurer/article/dating/manufacturersseals turned up that the deck sticker seal on that box was used from the late 1970s until 1987, the year of the USPC buyout. Prior to that approximate period, all Arrco seals were stamps with moisture-activated adhesive and edge perforations, like the tax stamps that preceded them.

Anthony · « **Reply #110 on:** February 16, 2014, 01:54:13 AM »

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Just wish it wasn't a Pinochle deck!

Ya I agree Don, but it's still a cool deck as is and thanks for the additional information as well.

52plusjoker · « **Reply #111 on:** February 16, 2014, 07:41:11 AM »

Virginia Slims decks are popular. The Arrco Club Casino must be a brand - never heard of a casino using pinochle decks.

Lee Asher · « **Reply #112 on:** February 16, 2014, 02:13:24 PM »

Quote from: Don Boyer on February 16, 2014, 01:24:33 AM

I can tell you a few things right off the bat.

The barcode would indicate that the deck was probably made in the 1980s. Barcodes, while they did exist in the 1970s, were not as common until later - USPC didn't start using them until the 1980s. They're certainly no older than the introduction of commercial product bar coding, which took place after December 1, 1972, the date that UPCs (Universal Product Codes) were accepted as a standard for retail product identification.

They're also not likely to be any younger than sometime in 1987 - that was the year that Arrco was purchased by USPC, and not long after that the Chicago plant referenced on the box was shut down and manufacturing was moved to USPC in Cincinnati. In fact, a little research at https://sites.google.com/site/cardconjurer/article/dating/manufacturersseals turned up that the deck sticker seal on that box was used from the late 1970s until 1987, the year of the USPC buyout. Prior to that approximate period, all Arrco seals were stamps with moisture-activated adhesive and edge perforations, like the tax stamps that preceded them.

I'm on the fence about this one Don. I think they are not USPC made, rather from the old Arrco Chicago plant. When USPC took over, they used their own stickers. Tony's deck clearly has the old Arrco sticker.

Here's an image of two decks, both Arrco. However, the one on the left is USPC made, while the other is not.

See what I mean? Thoughts?

Don Boyer · « **Reply #113 on:** February 16, 2014, 07:35:51 PM »

Quote from: Lee Asher on February 16, 2014, 02:13:24 PM

I'm on the fence about this one Don. I think they are not USPC made, rather from the old Arrco Chicago plant. When USPC took over, they used their own stickers. Tony's deck clearly has the old Arrco sticker.

Ah to be (not-quite-so-)young and misunderstood...

I am in agreement with you - these aren't USPC-made, but created before the '87 merger by Arrco in Chicago. They're probably from the early/mid-'80s, though that would largely depend on when Arrco started using barcodes. They're not older than December 1, 1972, because that's the date the UPC barcode standard was agreed upon by retailers - it was created by IBM and the first scanned piece of groceries is from '74 - a ten-pack of chewing gum packs which sits in the Smithsonian Institute. Another piece of supporting evidence of approximate year of origin is that the seal is a sticker and not a stamp - the stamps were abandoned in the late '70s in favor of the stickers.

It's not completely impossible to think up a scenario where USPC made this deck, but it's incredibly unlikely.

Watson7 · « **Reply #114 on:** February 19, 2014, 04:41:18 PM »

Time for an early American deck. I was going to begin with......This is one of my favorites.... but if I go down that road, every deck I post will start that way. I love them all. So, here we have a complete Russell & Morgan Printing Company poker sized, c.1888, gold edged Euchre deck consisting of 32 cards, a Joker, four counter cards and the rules for playing the game. It is listed in the Hochman Encyclopedia as US12. The four counter cards have a back design that is different from the rest of the deck with the words "Progressive Euchre" printed thereon. The Ace of Spades is elaborately engraved and the Joker shows representations for the then seven cabinet Secretaries of Interior, War, Navy, State, Treasury, Attorney General and Postmaster General. Click on the picture to enlarge.

Josh Blackmon · « **Reply #115 on:** February 19, 2014, 05:39:38 PM »

Beautiful. I'd love to have this deck! Of course I'd love to have every deck....Did I mention my hobby makes my wife agitated? Says I'm just paying lots of money for shiny pieces of paper. I guess its true. And three pairs of the same shoes in different colors is a necessity

52plusjoker · « **Reply #116 on:** February 19, 2014, 06:52:33 PM »

LOL - You know the only answer is to somehow get her interested. Then she'll try and take over and you'll have the opposite problem!

Josh Blackmon · « **Reply #117 on:** February 20, 2014, 10:11:44 PM »

I wanted to start posting some of my recent acquisitions here so I will start with this dandy. I have loved the streamliner train design on this deck from the start, but never found it at a price I was willing to pay. Finally I came across a good deal and scooped it up. I like the faces of the court cards in this deck; the Jacks all seem to have some attitude. Grandpa, Dad, and several of my uncles worked for the Missouri Pacific Lines at one time or another here in Texas before it was absorbed into Union Pacific. They had the most Gorgeous trains. Glad to have this deck.

52plusjoker · « **Reply #118 on:** February 21, 2014, 07:50:57 AM »

Josh
RR decks a big area of interest to vintage collectors. The early (1890-1920) ones were wide and either had a different souvenir picture on the front of each card or were standard with special ace of spades, joker and an ad card or two.

Later issues right up to the 1980s tended to follow the same patterns but were normally narrower (2.25 inches wide rather than 2.5 inches). If you'd like I'll post a few pix of wide souvenirs on weekend when I'm home.

Josh Blackmon · « **Reply #119 on:** February 21, 2014, 09:02:48 AM »

That would be great to see Tom. Originally I wanted to stay away from the narrow cards but I find myself having bought two decks in the last week. Nothing against them, I just wanted to steer my collection down a more specific route and only get wide cards. In the end there are just too many narrow decks that interest me and I am bound to end up with several at least.

52plusjoker · « **Reply #120 on:** February 21, 2014, 10:17:12 AM »

We're the same - mainly wide but can't resist some narrow - now issue compounded as we are collecting, selectively, new designs from Encarded, Chin, Jackson, CARC, etc. LOL!

Cryptocard27 · « **Reply #121 on:** February 22, 2014, 05:39:16 AM »

Hello to you all!!
I'm a french collector of american playing cards and B.P Grimaud decks. I am so pleased to be here and I hope share with you a lot of discussion about the fascinating world of playing cards.
My favorite makers are : Russell & Morgan , Caterson & Brotz ; Andrew Dougherty ; Samuel Hart and I am particularly interested in Perfection PCC decks and Longley & Brothers playing cards.
The deck for which I desire most is the Andrew Dougherty Murphy Varnish deck. It's just an attractive dream for the moment, but for this so fascinating hobby, I think the patience is never a problem, and in my opinion, the best puzzle is the one that we build most slowly possible, to maximally protect the pleasure that we have to realize it..
I don't know if I chose the exact words in English to express what I really think on this subject but I hope that the language barrier will not be a problem to exchange, discover and share, together, in this wonderful playing card place!

To begin, here is one of my favorite decks of my collection: NY Consolidated Triton #42. I have two copies of these Samuel Hart Squeezers decks : one red and one green. Both are in "unopened" mint condition with the wrapper, in a tuck box.

Don Boyer · « **Reply #122 on:** February 22, 2014, 06:43:12 AM »

Quote from: Cryptocard27 on February 22, 2014, 05:39:16 AM

Hello to you all!!
I'm a french collector of american playing cards and B.P Grimaud decks. I am so pleased to be here and I hope share with you a lot of discussion about the fascinating world of playing cards.
My favorite makers are : Russell & Morgan , Caterson & Brotz ; Andrew Dougherty ; Samuel Hart and I am particularly interested in Perfection PCC decks and Longley & Brothers playing cards.
The deck for which I desire most is the Andrew Dougherty Murphy Varnish deck. It's just an attractive dream for the moment, but for this so fascinating hobby, I think the patience is never a problem, and in my opinion, the best puzzle is the one that we build most slowly possible, to maximally protect the pleasure that we have to realize it..
I don't know if I chose the exact words in English to express what I really think on this subject but I hope that the language barrier will not be a problem to exchange, discover and share, together, in this wonderful playing card place!

To begin, here is one of my favorite decks of my collection: NY Consolidated Triton #42. I have two copies of these Samuel Hart Squeezers decks : one red and one green. Both are in "unopened" mint condition with the wrapper, in a tuck box.

Those are two really beautifully-preserved decks of cards! A shame we can't see the contents!

I invite you to create a topic on the "Introduce Yourself" board, so that we may greet you warmly as a new user on our message board. Welcome!

athomas16 · « **Reply #123 on:** February 22, 2014, 03:41:47 PM »

This is probably half of my (entire!) collection. I realize you can't see much in these photos, but I plan to feature some of my better decks with individual posts in the future. If you see any decks you want more info on, let me know.

52plusjoker · « **Reply #124 on:** February 22, 2014, 04:24:50 PM »

Like the three baseball decks - have a feeling there were four in the series. Why don't you post a new topic on these and show the backs clearly? The Enardoe is interesting. The suits have the colors reversed. The deck was published by Edward O. Drane - backwards E. O. Drane becomes ..........