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Re: MPC Pre-release Limited Edition Playing Cards now live on Kickstarter
« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2014, 09:26:42 AM »
 

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I'm liking the classic design job on these. I don't really love the cambric-style finish, I prefer smooth/ivory over it, but I dig the back design.
 

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« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2014, 09:43:34 AM »
 

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They say the funding goal is very low because everything is done in house

Printing and Production:

Everything will be done in-house using our state of the art equipment which we have been using to produce high quality products for our customers. We have all the experience and equipment needed to produce amazing casino quality playing cards and we’re very excited for you to try the first-ever batch run. We are pretty darn sure you’ll love the quality too.

The card stock:

We will be printing these cards using French casino grade card stock which contains the popular tiny air pockets for a better glide. The finish used on the cards is a new secret blend which we have found to make the cards amazing to handle. This will be the first ever release of this finishing to the public. Measures 2.5 by 3.5 inches (poker size). All in all, these cards are exceptional in all respects.


Why even bother with a kickstarter for a grand and a half?
 

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« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2014, 10:11:40 AM »
 

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Maybe it's some sort of a teaser or marketing gimmick to show those "air-pockets" and their "state of the art equipment".
 

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« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2014, 10:49:15 AM »
 

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I'm sure this is part of a marketing push, particularly to get their capabilities in front of the hundreds of people rushing to produce playing cards on Kickstarter. Savvy, I'd say.

Also, I have used them frequently for quick production of sample decks and I have to say the quality is excellent. Not quite USPCC or Exquisite level, but quite usable and their print quality is very acceptable considering the time frames needed. If you are messing with a design and have $15 laying around it is VERY worth it to see how they look in the hand. It's a critical step and really lets you see how your creation actually works.
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« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2014, 11:06:17 AM »
 

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Interesting...I'll bit and see what they're like. In for the complete set of 4. It will be interesting to see the delivery time on these since it's all in house,a nd the designs are already done. Might be the quickest KS card delivery ever!
 

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« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2014, 11:43:38 AM »
 

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I'm sure this is part of a marketing push, particularly to get their capabilities in front of the hundreds of people rushing to produce playing cards on Kickstarter. Savvy, I'd say.

Also, I have used them frequently for quick production of sample decks and I have to say the quality is excellent. Not quite USPCC or Exquisite level, but quite usable and their print quality is very acceptable considering the time frames needed. If you are messing with a design and have $15 laying around it is VERY worth it to see how they look in the hand. It's a critical step and really lets you see how your creation actually works.
MPC just got some celebrity endorsement.  :D But that is some good info. Maybe after taking a hundred art classes I can spare $15 and design a deck.
 

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« Reply #7 on: January 10, 2014, 12:12:55 PM »
 

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I backed for 4 (one of each) but I'm confused as the whether or not the "Special Edition" decks have different back designs or not, the pictures have one tuck box that looks like is shows a different design altogether.
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« Reply #8 on: January 10, 2014, 01:41:16 PM »
 

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Yes, this is aimed at taking market share from USPC:

Special gift to all backers:

As a thank you to all our backers, we will also send you a special coupon code to use on our site to experience customizing your own deck of cards on our online cards maker.


Yes, folks, YOU, too, can be a deck designer!  Step right up, don't be shy!  :))

Hell, USPC needs more competition to either force them to innovate or force them to fold.
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« Reply #9 on: January 10, 2014, 04:22:16 PM »
 

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I backed for 4 (one of each) but I'm confused as the whether or not the "Special Edition" decks have different back designs or not, the pictures have one tuck box that looks like is shows a different design altogether.

I believe it says they will have the colored court cards.

"Pre-release Red Edition and Blue Edition cards too which has the same features as the standard deck but different box and special card color design"
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« Reply #10 on: January 10, 2014, 04:41:55 PM »
 

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Yes, this is aimed at taking market share from USPC:

Special gift to all backers:

As a thank you to all our backers, we will also send you a special coupon code to use on our site to experience customizing your own deck of cards on our online cards maker.


Yes, folks, YOU, too, can be a deck designer!  Step right up, don't be shy!  :))

Hell, USPC needs more competition to either force them to innovate or force them to fold.

In my experience, long term USPCC decks hold up better than the ones from MPC (which get clumpy faster), but if I need a prototype to test things, I sure as heck would rather spend $12 + shipping and wait 5 days than spend $450 and weeks to get a prototype deck done from USPCC. They will both photograph the same and let me know if the design works. 
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« Reply #11 on: January 10, 2014, 05:43:25 PM »
 

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In my experience, long term USPCC decks hold up better than the ones from MPC (which get clumpy faster), but if I need a prototype to test things, I sure as heck would rather spend $12 + shipping and wait 5 days than spend $450 and weeks to get a prototype deck done from USPCC. They will both photograph the same and let me know if the design works.

Ah, but wouldn't it be nice if someday MPC actually could equal if not exceed USPC in quality...  Build a better mousetrap, etc.
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« Reply #12 on: January 15, 2014, 09:44:31 PM »
 

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Its free shipping worldwide!!!  :D ;) :D ;) :D

Maybe worth a try, but not really a deck for collectors though. As mentioned, more targetted to aspiring designers and possibly magicians who are working out a personalized deck and trick.

Yes, folks, YOU, too, can be a deck designer!  Step right up, don't be shy!  :))

Why aren't you trying Don? I would say it be pretty interesting to see a deck from you.
 

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« Reply #13 on: January 15, 2014, 09:48:51 PM »
 

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I think they tried to target collectors by labeling it "No.1 Limited Pre-Release" and coming out with 2 designs. They're quite inexpensive which is why I pledged.
 

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« Reply #14 on: January 15, 2014, 11:10:27 PM »
 

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Why aren't you trying Don? I would say it be pretty interesting to see a deck from you.

And perhaps you shall.  Just not tonight.
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« Reply #15 on: January 16, 2014, 12:00:21 AM »
 

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Why aren't you trying Don? I would say it be pretty interesting to see a deck from you.

And perhaps you shall.  Just not tonight.

I can see the topic heading started by badpete69 now "The DB Deck coming to KickStarter 2014"

As far as the MPC decks, Pretty good marketing. Getting paid for advertising their business instead of paying someone to do it.
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« Reply #16 on: January 16, 2014, 10:59:35 AM »
 

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I can be a designer? Sweet!!!

All cards different art, non-standard pips, reverse embossing, transformation deck, faux aging (shout out to Don!) Printed on JNugg stock with a linen/airglide/alpaca/unobtanium coating and finish, gilded edges, titanium and CF tuck with a custom seal moistened by unicorn tears. A half brick will be 5 decks, and a full brick will be 17. Printed by USPCC and my KS goal is $3,129.87. Shipping included. One deck is $312.87, but two decks are $89.03. Stretch goal at $24,123.99 is a "special edition" deck. Same design, but there will be a limited edition glue holding the tuck case together. Extremely limited edition of 7,500. The first 1,000 backers get their deck signed by my neighbor's second cousin.

Who's in?
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I can be a designer? Sweet!!!

All cards different art, non-standard pips, reverse embossing, transformation deck, faux aging (shout out to Don!) Printer on JNugg stock with a linen/airglide/alpaca/unobtanium coating and finish, gilded edges, titanium and CF tuck with a custom seal moistened by unicorn tears, A half brick will be 5 decks, and a full brick will be 17. Printed by USPCC and my KS goal is $3,129.87. Shipping included. Once deck is $312.87, but two decks are $89.03. Stretch goal at $24,123.99 is a "special edition" deck. Same design, but there will be a limited edition glue holding the tuck case together. Extremely limited edition of 7,500. The first 1,000 backers get their deck signed by my neighbor's second cousin.

Who's in?

Unicorn tears are old news.  Use a infinium coated reflective seal that allows your to peer into the future.  I'll pass if there's no foresight seal.
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If I were a designer, I would have known that. *sigh*
 

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« Reply #19 on: April 29, 2014, 01:04:44 AM »
 

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Well I got my one of each in the mail today from MPC, and I'm less than impressed.  The cards feel cheap and handle horribly - fans suck.  Maybe they need some breaking in time.  Running my finger over the back of the card I can feel a "lip" around the edges.  The cards are thicker than USPCC (52 cards is the same thickness of 56 USPCC), but feel flimsier.  Maybe I didn't read the KS right, but I was getting the impression that they were working on improving their process to produce better quality cards than they used to.  If I did read it right, and this is supposed to be an improvement, I don't think I'd want to see what the previous versions were like.  The cards themselves look as advertised on the KS so it's not all bad.  I'll probably wind up trying to use these for some games and see how that goes.  So all-in-all not a total waste of money, but this sample will probably keep me from ever buying any decks from designers that go with MPC.  I can see using MPC for creating prototypes as they give a good representation of how the cards will look, but for a final product...easy pass.
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« Reply #20 on: April 29, 2014, 03:10:38 AM »
 

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That lip you mentioned?  That's bad news.

When USPC cuts cards out of the paper sheets, they first cut them into strips, then send the strips to the dies (or is the plural dice?) where the cards get cut individually from the sheet.

When a cheap manufacturer cuts cards out of their sheets, they cut the paper not just into strips, but into little rectangles that each have a card printed on them.  They rack these rectangles up, perhaps 6 decks or more at once, into a machine that pushes the entire mess through a single die all at once.  I've seen video of the process.  The result is a terrible edge and that lip you mentioned.  From there, all those decks get manually sorted into packs by factory employees, while at USPC the process is a lot more automated.  There's a video at CARC of a guy in a Chinese factory sorting cards into tuck boxes at about Mach 6, he's so damn fast...

It would appear that the verdict is "Great for prototyping, but for finished products, not so much..."
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« Reply #21 on: April 29, 2014, 10:08:18 PM »
 

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Yeah I pledged for this bc I never actually had a mpc deck before. The tuck case is actually very nice. Embossing and metallic inks. Definitely impressed there. The cards are not firm and they actually stay slightly bent after shuffling them. Kind of a bummer.   


 
 

 

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Hi, all.

I received my decks today, and so far have only opened up a and played with the blue deck -- the "Special Blue Edition Pre-release" with the "No.01" on the tuck.

As previously noted, these cards out-of-the-box are not cardist friendly. They fan like typical plastic cards, clumpy as can be. The edges are smooth and sturdy; I suspect that these would make excellent throwing cards (a la Ricky Jay) and could probably pierce a watermelon in the right hands. I mean, we're talking brutally sharp.

In fact, these cards feel very much like any number of plastic decks I've handled in the past. Not the da Vinci's or Kems or Copags, but the next tier below that. They are sturdy as all get out (thick but very flexible, as noted by flyers3003 above.) Just like plastic cards. And then I remembered... the last deck I described like that was the Nauticals by HOPC (printed in Shanghai). I'll note that the Nauticals have remained in my rotation of cards for playing (as opposed to flourishing or performing magic). So, I pulled them out to compare. The Nauticals still don't fan so well, and still hold up great for game play. They don't have that little hint of a lip around the edge that was discussed previously, and my deck of MPC's certainly do. The Nauticals have smooth, sharp edges, but nowhere near as smooth and sharp as the MPCs. I am under the impression that these two decks were produced at different facilities using different methods, but they are nonetheless remarkably similar.

I've given the MPC a very little bit of the typical break-in routine, and they are already fanning much better, but where they are shining at the moment is in game play. They snap nicely, and take the beating that my kids dish out when we play our nightly games. This is only based upon one night's game play, understand, but so far, they are really holding their own as cards for playing.

The colors pop, and the registration on this one deck that I opened is spot-on perfect. So, they definitely score points as far as printing goes.

It'll be interesting to see how they handle as they continue to break-in, and also how well the color continues to adhere.

One last note: I see on the bottom that this MPC deck is "Made in China." I was under the impression that MPC printed their cards here in North America, but I can't recall where I got that impression. I don't mind saying that I'm a little bit disappointed by this, but not enough so as to be outright annoyed. I was just rather hoping we had a possible contender to go up against USPCC for cards printed in North America. As it is, I don't think these are printed in the same facility as the Shanghai printer that produced Global Titans and Nauticals, and certainly not Legends (Taiwan), but they are still a far cry above most decks I've handled that were printed in China. For whatever that's worth.

I"ll be adding this deck to my regular rotation to see how it stands up over time.
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I echo what the other reviewers are saying. They feel slick, plastic and thick. Great for games. Crappy for flourishing. Anyone try a faro? Mine just "but heads" like trying to shuffle wooden boards. You can push all you want - neither side will budge and that even after a little warming the deck up
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Mine arrived yesterday, and I spent a good few hours putting one through some serious use.

The reviews over here so far are spot on about the card stock -- it is indeed thicker, and more flexible than USPCC cards. I personally prefer stiffer and/or heavier card stocks... but still, the MPC card stock isn't bad, in my opinion.

(By the way, great review Rousselle. +1 to you)

I did notice "Made in China" marking on a photo showing the tuckboxes around 2 weeks ago when I was look back at their Kickstarter page. That did give me a bit of a shock at the time, because looking at the currency that pledges were set in, I figured that the "in house printing" was happening in Canada. Still I was looking forward to receiving them.

The comparison with the Nautical deck, in my opinion, is a fair one. There is some similarity in terms of feel. The MPC cards are thicker, and feel slightly less plastic-y.

S. Carey is indeed correct -- if you bend the cards (eg. If you're doing a pressure fan), then the cards will retain that bend. You have to turn the deck over and pressure fan them again to remove the bend.

Once broken in, I found them to fan without any problems. They don't fan as easily as Legends V2s, or any USPCC cards with magic finish... but still, I wouldn't say that they "fan badly".

Maybe it's just down to one's personal technique, but I found the MPC cards to pressure fan better than any other deck I have (I cannot get USPCC decks to pressure fan as evenly, and Legends V2s are just too stiff for it) -- I got perfect ones almost every time.

As I'm into gambling demonstrations and false deals, I put the cards through a lot of shuffle work.

The cards are traditionally cut (although obviously via a different process to USPCC), and so they shuffle a lot better when the cards are face down. For tabled faros, I had no difficulty at all. If you turn the cards face up and then try to do a tabled faro... well, best of luck brother.

However, I did notice one weakness in the cards... the corners. Assuming that I've not received a one-off not-so-strong deck, and that all MPC decks are like this, there is a durability problem.

If you do a few faros, wear and tear will start showing on the back of the cards, around the corners. The layer with the back design on it will start getting chipped.

In our games, me and my friends can easily start identifying cards if we notice that they're showing signs of wear like that. Lol.

Other than that, I have no real issues with the cards. I think they look great (it's great to see a full-bleed back design to compete with the Bees!), and that the cards handle than other "made in China" decks such as the Nautical and the Global Titan decks.

Although I cannot confirm it for sure, I do think that the cards will last longer (as in not clump and become unusable) than Bikes.

In terms of registration... overall, very good -- better than USPCC. However, not flawless like the cards printed at the Legends factory in Taiwan. I took a very very very close look at the cards... and some cards were very slightly off.

Still, impressive I think, because I guess only factories like the Fournier plant in spain and the Legends factory can get registration accurate to a millionth of a pixel.

If MPC can improve on their product even further (for one, sort out the chipping corners problem), then that would be great! I don't regret buying them at all :)
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