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Federal 52 - 2nd Edition
« on: May 16, 2014, 12:13:21 AM »
 

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Re: Federal 52 - 2nd Edition
« Reply #1 on: May 16, 2014, 02:21:30 PM »
 

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Don't be bothering me with any new posts...I'm too busy selling everything to raise cash to buy Fed52 v.2!! ;-)
 

Re: Federal 52 - 2nd Edition
« Reply #2 on: May 16, 2014, 03:41:02 PM »
 

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I like this design and the use of negative space. It's a bit easier on the eyes, and I've noticed that it's been growing on me more and more throughout the day. The back design (and overall design) of the 1st Edition is so gorgeous it can hardly be topped, but these cards are really nice. I'm looking forward to seeing more of it, and I've already decided to back it. The only thing I'm not sure about is the pip design. It's a bit large for my taste.
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Re: Federal 52 - 2nd Edition
« Reply #3 on: May 16, 2014, 07:39:34 PM »
 

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I agree with Marcus on this version being easier on the eyes. It has more consideration for function then previous versions. Like all of Jackson's decks this will sell very nicely.

Unfortunately I have not bought any decks from kings wild because I cant use them. His cards are too pretty for my taste. There is no value to me if I wont ever use them. If I had to be honest, I love the "Reserve Note" back design. The "Reserve Note" back in my mind is the equivalent of Jackson's "Rider Back". If Jackson ever produced a few color versions of that back design with his new standard courts and faces, that's something I can put my money into and people would use.
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Re: Federal 52 - 2nd Edition
« Reply #4 on: May 16, 2014, 11:43:34 PM »
 

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I agree with Marcus on this version being easier on the eyes. It has more consideration for function then previous versions. Like all of Jackson's decks this will sell very nicely.

Unfortunately I have not bought any decks from kings wild because I cant use them. His cards are too pretty for my taste. There is no value to me if I wont ever use them. If I had to be honest, I love the "Reserve Note" back design. The "Reserve Note" back in my mind is the equivalent of Jackson's "Rider Back". If Jackson ever produced a few color versions of that back design with his new standard courts and faces, that's something I can put my money into and people would use.

Should we consider that a customer service request?  :))

Honestly, I love Federal 52, but I love having cellphone service and car insurance a little bit more.  He's put out a LOT of decks in a very short time and my checking account and I simply can't keep pace.

As far as this design goes, the cleaner look does have a certain appeal.  I'm not entirely for the larger indices, but I'm not against them either - the original decks had some teeny, tiny indices and I'm guessing he's overcompensating just a little to make this deck more functional for card players.  I can't fault him for that in the least - a gorgeous deck is one thing, a gorgeous deck that's also fully functional for most purposes is a better thing.
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Re: Federal 52 - 2nd Edition
« Reply #5 on: May 17, 2014, 09:21:36 AM »
 

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I'm not a fan of the new design. Sorry. I really like the bigger pips. Helps make the cards more playable. Much improved on that aspect.
 

Re: Federal 52 - 2nd Edition
« Reply #6 on: May 17, 2014, 11:20:28 AM »
 

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I agree with Marcus on this version being easier on the eyes. It has more consideration for function then previous versions. Like all of Jackson's decks this will sell very nicely.

Unfortunately I have not bought any decks from kings wild because I cant use them. His cards are too pretty for my taste. There is no value to me if I wont ever use them. If I had to be honest, I love the "Reserve Note" back design. The "Reserve Note" back in my mind is the equivalent of Jackson's "Rider Back". If Jackson ever produced a few color versions of that back design with his new standard courts and faces, that's something I can put my money into and people would use.

Should we consider that a customer service request?  :))

Honestly, I love Federal 52, but I love having cellphone service and car insurance a little bit more.  He's put out a LOT of decks in a very short time and my checking account and I simply can't keep pace.

As far as this design goes, the cleaner look does have a certain appeal.  I'm not entirely for the larger indices, but I'm not against them either - the original decks had some teeny, tiny indices and I'm guessing he's overcompensating just a little to make this deck more functional for card players.  I can't fault him for that in the least - a gorgeous deck is one thing, a gorgeous deck that's also fully functional for most purposes is a better thing.

There's been a couple of different people putting out a lot of decks in a short period of time, I have to wonder how much longer this can continue.
 

Re: Federal 52 - 2nd Edition
« Reply #7 on: May 17, 2014, 12:08:36 PM »
 

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There's been a couple of different people putting out a lot of decks in a short period of time, I have to wonder how much longer this can continue.

Out of curiosity, what does that specifically have to do with this deck?

Perhaps it's something worth starting a new topic for, Victor?  I have to keep an eye out for stray tangents, I've been a bit lax about them lately.
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Re: Federal 52 - 2nd Edition
« Reply #8 on: May 17, 2014, 06:30:40 PM »
 

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I agree with Marcus on this version being easier on the eyes. It has more consideration for function then previous versions. Like all of Jackson's decks this will sell very nicely.

Unfortunately I have not bought any decks from kings wild because I cant use them. His cards are too pretty for my taste. There is no value to me if I wont ever use them. If I had to be honest, I love the "Reserve Note" back design. The "Reserve Note" back in my mind is the equivalent of Jackson's "Rider Back". If Jackson ever produced a few color versions of that back design with his new standard courts and faces, that's something I can put my money into and people would use.

Should we consider that a customer service request?  :))

Honestly, I love Federal 52, but I love having cellphone service and car insurance a little bit more.  He's put out a LOT of decks in a very short time and my checking account and I simply can't keep pace.

As far as this design goes, the cleaner look does have a certain appeal.  I'm not entirely for the larger indices, but I'm not against them either - the original decks had some teeny, tiny indices and I'm guessing he's overcompensating just a little to make this deck more functional for card players.  I can't fault him for that in the least - a gorgeous deck is one thing, a gorgeous deck that's also fully functional for most purposes is a better thing.

There's been a couple of different people putting out a lot of decks in a short period of time, I have to wonder how much longer this can continue.

I'm a deck designer, I design decks of playing cards if I didn't continually do it I would be any good. A persons mastering of anything is directly proportional to how much they practice.

I could keep it up until the day I die. If you saw a truck driver pass would you say "Hey what's up with all these truck drivers driving trucks all the time,"
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Re: Federal 52 - 2nd Edition
« Reply #9 on: May 17, 2014, 07:15:51 PM »
 

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There's been a couple of different people putting out a lot of decks in a short period of time, I have to wonder how much longer this can continue.

I'm a deck designer, I design decks of playing cards if I didn't continually do it I would be any good. A persons mastering of anything is directly proportional to how much they practice.

I could keep it up until the day I die. If you saw a truck driver pass would you say "Hey what's up with all these truck drivers driving trucks all the time,"

Don mentioned it. I do not know if this is what Victor was referring to as well and he can confirm but some might not be able to get everything you put out if you are always releasing stuff very closely together. For example, a new project doesn't do so well because your biggest buyers just dropped a lot on the last project. Not sure that has happened with your projects yet as they all dominate in dollars raised. Your projects probably take away from other projects more than they take away from your own. 

Back to he actual topic though. This is the first look of V2 and if I am correct, a lot of Jackson's designs end up changing from the first teaser to the actual product in hand. It seems like it would be more playable than something more elaborate. And I like that.

I think its possible to make playable decks that are very high quality where artistic integrity is kept in tact. So far Jackson has put out very high quality decks but are somewhat unplayable because people don't want to break the plastic. It would behoove any deck designer to make decks that are playable. I think the Tally Ho's and this are a step in that direction.   
 

Re: Federal 52 - 2nd Edition
« Reply #10 on: May 17, 2014, 10:56:09 PM »
 

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Got nothing bad to say about this design, I hope you move forward with it - I think it's a great idea and like any successful series, the sequel is always in high demand.
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Re: Federal 52 - 2nd Edition
« Reply #11 on: May 18, 2014, 12:33:04 AM »
 

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Don mentioned it. I do not know if this is what Victor was referring to as well and he can confirm but some might not be able to get everything you put out if you are always releasing stuff very closely together. For example, a new project doesn't do so well because your biggest buyers just dropped a lot on the last project. Not sure that has happened with your projects yet as they all dominate in dollars raised. Your projects probably take away from other projects more than they take away from your own. 

Back to he actual topic though. This is the first look of V2 and if I am correct, a lot of Jackson's designs end up changing from the first teaser to the actual product in hand. It seems like it would be more playable than something more elaborate. And I like that.

I think its possible to make playable decks that are very high quality where artistic integrity is kept in tact. So far Jackson has put out very high quality decks but are somewhat unplayable because people don't want to break the plastic. It would behoove any deck designer to make decks that are playable. I think the Tally Ho's and this are a step in that direction.

What I mentioned, and on a different topic, was something I call "deck fatigue".  A project starts with perhaps one or two decks, then rapidly blossoms into a huge number of decks, stretching the budgets of any collector interested in getting the entire series.  It's happening more and more these days and Jackson isn't the only "culprit".  My greatest concern was about how deck fatigue can spread to other parts of the market as more and more decks in general are available, making collectors get pickier about what they purchase.  I've seen this pattern occur before, first with comic books, then with sports cards and related memorabilia.  Neither industry has completely recovered from their collapses a handful of years ago and the sluggish economy on an individual level isn't helping matters.

No one wants to see a massive price collapse, just as buyers don't want to see big markups.  The largest contributing factor in those two markets were speculators, though producers fed into the speculation by creating so many "rare", "first edition" and "#1" products.

But really, as I mentioned to Victor, it's something better left for another topic - or perhaps for an interview session on your Tuckcase page!  Grab a handful of people involved on the business, retail and collecting segments of the market and toss around some questions for a big interview article, or host a little back and forth right here on the Discourse.
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Re: Federal 52 - 2nd Edition
« Reply #12 on: May 18, 2014, 02:57:35 AM »
 

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I agree with Marcus on this version being easier on the eyes. It has more consideration for function then previous versions. Like all of Jackson's decks this will sell very nicely.

Unfortunately I have not bought any decks from kings wild because I cant use them. His cards are too pretty for my taste. There is no value to me if I wont ever use them. If I had to be honest, I love the "Reserve Note" back design. The "Reserve Note" back in my mind is the equivalent of Jackson's "Rider Back". If Jackson ever produced a few color versions of that back design with his new standard courts and faces, that's something I can put my money into and people would use.

Should we consider that a customer service request?  :))

Honestly, I love Federal 52, but I love having cellphone service and car insurance a little bit more.  He's put out a LOT of decks in a very short time and my checking account and I simply can't keep pace.

As far as this design goes, the cleaner look does have a certain appeal.  I'm not entirely for the larger indices, but I'm not against them either - the original decks had some teeny, tiny indices and I'm guessing he's overcompensating just a little to make this deck more functional for card players.  I can't fault him for that in the least - a gorgeous deck is one thing, a gorgeous deck that's also fully functional for most purposes is a better thing.

There's been a couple of different people putting out a lot of decks in a short period of time, I have to wonder how much longer this can continue.

I'm a deck designer, I design decks of playing cards if I didn't continually do it I would be any good. A persons mastering of anything is directly proportional to how much they practice.

I could keep it up until the day I die. If you saw a truck driver pass would you say "Hey what's up with all these truck drivers driving trucks all the time,"

@ Jackson: Now that you mention it... I was just saying to someone the other day, "damn, whats with all these truck drivers on the road?". LMFAO

In all seriousness... Its strange that some (including myself) have a problem with one person/brand producing many decks in a short period of time (year) but not another person. I personally don't care how many decks you produce in a year because I have not bought any of your decks. The people who complain are the one's buying your decks and like your brand. I hope you understand where those comments are coming from. It sounds like they're complaining more about their own financial situation and being a collector of your decks (wanting them all) then anything else. Putting a strain on someones wallet is not a bad thing for you.

In general, I agree with Don. I have deck fatigue.

Its like eating. Its not that we don't like the meal, we can only eat so much before we are full or regurgitate it. Give people the chance to digest, rather then completely reject a product because they are sick of it and never what to see it again.
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Re: Federal 52 - 2nd Edition
« Reply #13 on: May 18, 2014, 08:06:24 AM »
 

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I agree with Marcus on this version being easier on the eyes. It has more consideration for function then previous versions. Like all of Jackson's decks this will sell very nicely.

Unfortunately I have not bought any decks from kings wild because I cant use them. His cards are too pretty for my taste. There is no value to me if I wont ever use them. If I had to be honest, I love the "Reserve Note" back design. The "Reserve Note" back in my mind is the equivalent of Jackson's "Rider Back". If Jackson ever produced a few color versions of that back design with his new standard courts and faces, that's something I can put my money into and people would use.

Should we consider that a customer service request?  :))

Honestly, I love Federal 52, but I love having cellphone service and car insurance a little bit more.  He's put out a LOT of decks in a very short time and my checking account and I simply can't keep pace.

As far as this design goes, the cleaner look does have a certain appeal.  I'm not entirely for the larger indices, but I'm not against them either - the original decks had some teeny, tiny indices and I'm guessing he's overcompensating just a little to make this deck more functional for card players.  I can't fault him for that in the least - a gorgeous deck is one thing, a gorgeous deck that's also fully functional for most purposes is a better thing.

There's been a couple of different people putting out a lot of decks in a short period of time, I have to wonder how much longer this can continue.

I'm a deck designer, I design decks of playing cards if I didn't continually do it I would be any good. A persons mastering of anything is directly proportional to how much they practice.

I could keep it up until the day I die. If you saw a truck driver pass would you say "Hey what's up with all these truck drivers driving trucks all the time,"

@ Jackson: Now that you mention it... I was just saying to someone the other day, "damn, whats with all these truck drivers on the road?". LMFAO

In all seriousness... Its strange that some (including myself) have a problem with one person/brand producing many decks in a short period of time (year) but not another person. I personally don't care how many decks you produce in a year because I have not bought any of your decks. The people who complain are the one's buying your decks and like your brand. I hope you understand where those comments are coming from. It sounds like they're complaining more about their own financial situation and being a collector of your decks (wanting them all) then anything else. Putting a strain on someones wallet is not a bad thing for you.

In general, I agree with Don. I have deck fatigue.

Its like eating. Its not that we don't like the meal, we can only eat so much before we are full or regurgitate it. Give people the chance to digest, rather then completely reject a product because they are sick of it and never what to see it again.

God words all around. I can totally understand where they are coming from and see how that could be a strain on some people. On the flip side you have to look at it from my stand point as a designer and also as this is my living. The Card Collecting Community only makes up about 50% of the entire audience of people who buy my decks/products. That other 50% hardly ever buys any decks and when introduced to my products are much more willing to buy them if I have them in stock. I went to a show where I was selling Fed decks. They were selling great until I ran out of them, and spent the remaining part of the show sitting in my booth with no inventory. I know what you probably thinking "You should buy more decks." Buying huge amounts of inventory is the last thing I want to do.That would lead me down the road of the big guys and that is somewhere I don't want to go.

My antidote for buyers fatigue is to just find new buyers and audiences. I know how that could sound incredibly greedy but that is the goal of any artist (or one that doesn't want to be a "starving artist"). They should strive to get their work infront of as many people as they can.

I think something else that should be noted is the fact that I don't think collector's are getting tired of designers putting out so many decks, they are getting tired of buying brick loads of decks from said designers in hopes of flipping them or speculating. My main focus is to create devoted followers who will ALWAYS buy 2-4 of my decks. The larger I can make that pool the better. I loose money on people that buy in bulk during my campaigns. Those people don't get fatigued because they are spending a manageable amount every few months. Not huge amounts every-month on multiple projects.

The best way to raise the bar and quality of decks being produced is for collector's to stop buy decks. Sure their are fan boys who will buy every recolored piece of crap out their but those fan boys are 100 miles away from my target audience. The only reason why their is buyers fatigue is because the buyers keep buying, and 9 times out 10 they are buying mindless decks that have little to no effort put into them. As long as they keep buying them designers will keep making them.

I think this is a great topic for Don too create a new thread on.

Don, please title the new thread The Card Collecting Bubble... about to pop
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