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(DDDC) Stenlund Red, formerly known as The Maelstrom deck
« on: May 26, 2014, 07:36:13 AM »
 

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OK, so here is one of my designs for the DDDC. I must warn you, This will be a long post, but I'll do my very best to keep it as short as possible. This is a tale about what not to do when designing a deck.

It was some years ago, when I bought my first decks from Ellusionist. I liked the Artifice and the Infinity decks, but the standard Bicycles I had really never been very fond of. Remember, I live in a country where most decks look like this: http://www.wopc.co.uk/sweden/standard.html
I was quite perplexed when I later found out that I could actually have my own design printed on a deck of playing cards. I researched this for some time, and so, one particularly rainy day in September, I set out to create my own set of cards.

From the beginning I wanted them to have the Swedish design, with the colorcoded suits and the more clothing-like bodies, but in the style of the standard Bicycle design. That idea failed before even hitting the preliminary-sketch stage. I realised that my ability to draw on the computer wasn't quite up to par for a project of that magnitude. Thus I abandoned the suits for now, and decided to work on the pips instead, I am kind of fond of pips, I like the simplicity of the shapes.
 I wanted the basic shape intact but with a more "flowing" feeling, and thus, I came up with this:

I am rather pleased with them.

On to the font, I first tried to edit the standard font but then opted for the Birch std font,

 allthough I might have to change that, since I've seen at least two other decks with that font recently.
It was at this point in time I somehow thought that I had enough of cool designs to send it to Ellusionist as a design for a deck... Oh, how naive can you be? I hope that they never saw it.
Feeling stuck, I abandoned the project and went on to design the X-ray deck: http://www.playingcardforum.com/design-development/x-ray-deck/msg67306/#msg67306
Almost six months later I was ready to look at my failed attempt again. This time I changed direction regarding the court design. Knowing my weaknesses, I opted to use the standard courts design but simplify it to only use two printed colors, yet keeping it fairly interesting. After some fiddling with colors, this is what I came up with:










See that ace of spades? It looks like that because of the back. Ah, the back...The beginning of the end.
I began fiddling with the back and ace of spades after the courts were finished. I like the back and ace to have a unified design, so that one can see that the ace and back is from the same deck, don't ask me why because I really don't know, I just do.
I downloaded some free ornaments and stuff from the net and began fiddling with them to create a back and ace. I mean, how hard can it be? Smack on some nice stock design and you're done...  So I did several different versions, some of which I kinda liked... And then someone here on this forum mentioned that stock designs looks sooo merz67... I quietly disregarded these designs and set out to create my own back and ace. Looking back, I'm glad I saw that line about stock designs, because truth be told, they didn't look all that great. I won't bore you with those designs unless you really want to see them.

However I will show you my first attempt at my own back design:

I tried to get in some of the flowing style from the pips.
Suddenly, I got stuck, I felt as if I had no real vision, no aim, with this design.There was nothing in my mind that had to be spilled onto the paper, It was a cold, desolate place. A chilly wind howled through the empty chambers. Frustrated, I looked around me at the desk, and spotted, out of the corner of my eye, an old cigarette box,  Halpaus Privileg, Halpaus cigaretten fabrik, Breslau u Köln, that I had gotten from my father in law, many years ago. (Hmmm, I have to check if there is some copyright issues with that box.) It was an interesting design that I tried to mimic, but failed miserably, thus I resorted to take some photographs of it and cleaning the pics up and trying to get it symmetrical.
This is the end result:


There, I was finished!
I was just about to post it to the forums when someone mentioned that a deck design should have a strong theme to stand a chance today... A theme??? What the bleeping bleep in the bleep with a bleep??? I looked at my design, there was, of course, no theme in sight.
But as I sat there, dreary with the impending doom looming overhead, I noticed that the more I looked at the back, the more, in my state of utter despair, it looked like some kind of whirlwind or maelstrom, dragging me down into the depths of lunacy, down, in a sea of madness.
I came to some time later, my clothes in rags, clawmarks on my chest, and on the screen before me, in bright shining images, were this:

and this:

Ouch, that box lost some stuff in translation, and I need to learn how to do to get that box to look like a box.
Anyway, I need some help here, so if anyone can provide any advice, please do.
« Last Edit: June 10, 2014, 06:44:47 AM by Leif »
 

Re: (DDDC) The Maelstrom deck, or Why to begin with the end in mind
« Reply #1 on: May 26, 2014, 08:49:00 PM »
 

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I don't think you're in need of help at all - this design looks great and is fully-developed.  I could easily imagine a company like Theory11 putting out this deck.  Best of luck!

Don't forget to make your entry post in the official topic.  Make sure you're not missing any details, though from here it looks like you've got all the bases covered.
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Re: (DDDC) The Maelstrom deck, or Why to begin with the end in mind
« Reply #2 on: May 27, 2014, 12:53:15 PM »
 

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I don't think you're in need of help at all - this design looks great and is fully-developed.  I could easily imagine a company like Theory11 putting out this deck.  Best of luck!

Don't forget to make your entry post in the official topic.  Make sure you're not missing any details, though from here it looks like you've got all the bases covered.

Well, thank you, Don! Gosh, I'm blushing here.

I still need to present the box in the assembled state in the official topic, right?
 

Re: (DDDC) The Maelstrom deck, or Why to begin with the end in mind
« Reply #3 on: May 28, 2014, 01:45:56 AM »
 

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I don't think you're in need of help at all - this design looks great and is fully-developed.  I could easily imagine a company like Theory11 putting out this deck.  Best of luck!

Don't forget to make your entry post in the official topic.  Make sure you're not missing any details, though from here it looks like you've got all the bases covered.

Well, thank you, Don! Gosh, I'm blushing here.

I still need to present the box in the assembled state in the official topic, right?

You are correct.  This has to do with EPCC not using the same commonly-found USPC template that most people use when modeling a deck design.  Their tuck boxes are cut and folded differently.

Also, you mentioned that you were considering a second design idea and that you were going to post both and see which was the more popular of the two.  Are you still planning to do this?  If so, don't make an official entry until you've determined which is the better design for you - you can present as many decks here as you wish, but you can only make one official entry for a single design and that's it.
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Re: (DDDC) The Maelstrom deck, or Why to begin with the end in mind
« Reply #4 on: June 08, 2014, 11:26:04 AM »
 

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Ok, I had to redo the back since I felt that it isn't entirely my own design. I tried to come up with a design to fit the current concept of "maelstrom". I ended up doodling a lot of small irregular lines but I really don't know how it looks for a critical eye. Then I tried to play with some ideas from the other deck I have. So if anyone have any advice, please make yourself heard.
 

Re: (DDDC) The Maelstrom deck, or Why to begin with the end in mind
« Reply #5 on: June 08, 2014, 08:09:54 PM »
 

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I think for a deck called maelstrom an overly simplistic back might not be fitting. The left hand side backs are a bit too chaotic for me so I think I would have to pick one of the middle designs. Have you considered a back that looks like a maelstrom when the card is spun?
 

Re: (DDDC) The Maelstrom deck, or Why to begin with the end in mind
« Reply #6 on: June 10, 2014, 06:41:58 AM »
 

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I think for a deck called maelstrom an overly simplistic back might not be fitting. The left hand side backs are a bit too chaotic for me so I think I would have to pick one of the middle designs. Have you considered a back that looks like a maelstrom when the card is spun?

I have tried to make a back that looks like a maelstrom when spun but the one that worked best for me was rather boring when not spun, the ones I showed was the result.
But I would like to really thank you for this comment. It made me think again. What is the main components of this deck? It has only two colors, and the flowing pips. The maelstrom name I slapped on it because I thought the original back looked a little maelstromish. But now, having removed that back in favor for something that is truly my own, I'm also free to lose the maelstrom name, and go with the simplistic theme that the courts show signs of.

So, with a change in name, back, box and ace, here it is:

Stenlund Red.

I'm going to use one of these backs.

Ok, the Ace of Spades I have several different ideas, I'm going to throw them all out here. Remember I would like to have some sort of connection between back and ace.

Tell me what any of you think!
 

Re: (DDDC) Stenlund Red, formerly known as The Maelstrom deck
« Reply #7 on: June 15, 2014, 05:49:09 PM »
 

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I think I want to submit this deck as the final submission. if any of you guys and gals have anything to say about it, I would gladly like to hear that now, even if it's just "they suck" or "the're great" or anything in between.
 

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« Reply #8 on: June 15, 2014, 10:45:32 PM »
 

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Did you make a decision on which ace of spades you were going to use?
 

Re: (DDDC) Stenlund Red, formerly known as The Maelstrom deck
« Reply #9 on: June 16, 2014, 01:22:40 AM »
 

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You've got the potential for a great entry here - show us a complete work-up of what you have now.  You've got barely more than two weeks left to submit your design!
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Re: (DDDC) Stenlund Red, formerly known as The Maelstrom deck
« Reply #10 on: June 16, 2014, 03:43:30 AM »
 

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Did you make a decision on which ace of spades you were going to use?

I'm leaning towards the lower right one of the six above. I think it kinda fits the theme, simple, but not overly simple, like the top left one.

You've got the potential for a great entry here - show us a complete work-up of what you have now.  You've got barely more than two weeks left to submit your design!

Well, since the deck changed rather suddenly from the earlier maelstrom version to this new Stenlund Red, Stenlund being my last name, (or maybe I should name it just "Red"?) I have kind of looked at it with new eyes. I was rather fond of how the maelstrom eventually turned out, despite the haphazard "birth" of it, but since that back was not entirely my own this felt like the right thing to do.

The deck right now:
The courts and pips are the same as the first post, the box is the last posted, the back will be one of the two last posted, probably the one with the circle in the middle, if no one objects, the ace of spades will be one of the six last posted, probably the lower right one. The extra cards:TBD.

But I have a few questions.

1. The extra cards:
Since there are only two extra cards available, and since I have a rather limited amount of time to think up an awesome diptych, or a pair of interesting jokers with a clever reveal, I wonder: are the jokers considered necessary? Would, say, a double backer and a back with no front be more usable from a magicians standpoint? Or a double backer and a entirely blank card, or a back with blank front and a entirely blank card. Or a double backer and a queen of hearts where the black and red have switched colour? What combination of cards makes the highest number of different tricks possible?

2. The courts:
Does EPCC use any special courts? Since these are just the standard courts recolored, with some slight modifications, maybe they rather would like to print those, recolored in a similar way? That is, if this deck wins, of course. I just ask because no alterations is allowed after I submit it, and if they would rather use their own courts, I would have to add that into the submission.
 

Re: (DDDC) Stenlund Red, formerly known as The Maelstrom deck
« Reply #11 on: June 16, 2014, 12:02:14 PM »
 

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a blank front card has a lot of possibilities so I for sure would use one of them, other then that not sure.
Do you guys even read this? Like I could have the meaning of life here and I doubt you would know it.
 

Re: (DDDC) Stenlund Red, formerly known as The Maelstrom deck
« Reply #12 on: June 16, 2014, 04:02:56 PM »
 

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a blank front card has a lot of possibilities so I for sure would use one of them, other then that not sure.

Thanks John! I'll note one vote for a back with a blank front. Hope someone else has some idea for the other card.
 

Re: (DDDC) Stenlund Red, formerly known as The Maelstrom deck
« Reply #13 on: June 22, 2014, 10:04:43 AM »
 

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Ok, this will be the deck I post in the official thread. I hope I haven't forgotten any images.
 

Re: (DDDC) Stenlund Red, formerly known as The Maelstrom deck
« Reply #14 on: June 22, 2014, 10:09:28 AM »
 

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The last pictures:

Note:instead of jokers, I opted for having two gaffs, one back with a blank face and one completely blank card.
 

Re: (DDDC) Stenlund Red, formerly known as The Maelstrom deck
« Reply #15 on: June 22, 2014, 06:17:43 PM »
 

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Include in your notes your plans for the gaff cards.  Otherwise, this looks like an entry.

Are you certain you don't want to include any maker/designer information on the Ace of Spades?  At the least you should include copyright notices.  A copyright can be declared without being registered in the US, though registration is the better way to go in the event you need to protect your IP in court.
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« Reply #16 on: June 22, 2014, 07:01:59 PM »
 

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Include in your notes your plans for the gaff cards.  Otherwise, this looks like an entry.

Are you certain you don't want to include any maker/designer information on the Ace of Spades?  At the least you should include copyright notices.  A copyright can be declared without being registered in the US, though registration is the better way to go in the event you need to protect your IP in court.

Ah, right, I knew I forgot something. In a copyright notice, something like (Copyright symbol) 2014 Leif Stenlund, should suffice, right?



I know that the rules stated: "a) a model name, and an original brand name if applicable (trademarks and brand names of other companies, including but not limited to the United States Playing Card Company ["USPC"], the Expert Playing Card Company ("EPCC"), etc., may not be used)."

Does that mean that I can not have the text "Printed by Expert playing card company", on the ace of spades or on the bottom of the box, or on the sides of the box?
 

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« Reply #17 on: June 22, 2014, 07:09:38 PM »
 

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Include in your notes your plans for the gaff cards.  Otherwise, this looks like an entry.

Are you certain you don't want to include any maker/designer information on the Ace of Spades?  At the least you should include copyright notices.  A copyright can be declared without being registered in the US, though registration is the better way to go in the event you need to protect your IP in court.

Ah, right, I knew I forgot something. In a copyright notice, something like (Copyright symbol) 2014 Leif Stenlund, should suffice, right?



I know that the rules stated: "a) a model name, and an original brand name if applicable (trademarks and brand names of other companies, including but not limited to the United States Playing Card Company ["USPC"], the Expert Playing Card Company ("EPCC"), etc., may not be used)."

Does that mean that I can not have the text "Printed by Expert playing card company", on the ace of spades or on the bottom of the box, or on the sides of the box?

For the time being, leave any other company brands off.  Should you win, it's something you can tweak afterward.  The © symbol, sometimes typed as (c), with the year and your name (or a company name, if you have one) is perfectly fine.  Mentioning your location wouldn't hurt - country of origin, city.
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Re: (DDDC) Stenlund Red, formerly known as The Maelstrom deck
« Reply #18 on: June 25, 2014, 07:07:09 AM »
 

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Include in your notes your plans for the gaff cards.  Otherwise, this looks like an entry.

Are you certain you don't want to include any maker/designer information on the Ace of Spades?  At the least you should include copyright notices.  A copyright can be declared without being registered in the US, though registration is the better way to go in the event you need to protect your IP in court.

Ah, right, I knew I forgot something. In a copyright notice, something like (Copyright symbol) 2014 Leif Stenlund, should suffice, right?



I know that the rules stated: "a) a model name, and an original brand name if applicable (trademarks and brand names of other companies, including but not limited to the United States Playing Card Company ["USPC"], the Expert Playing Card Company ("EPCC"), etc., may not be used)."

Does that mean that I can not have the text "Printed by Expert playing card company", on the ace of spades or on the bottom of the box, or on the sides of the box?

For the time being, leave any other company brands off.  Should you win, it's something you can tweak afterward.  The © symbol, sometimes typed as (c), with the year and your name (or a company name, if you have one) is perfectly fine.  Mentioning your location wouldn't hurt - country of origin, city.

I tweaked the AoS to include some design info, and also the box bottom to include copyright info.
I will add copyright info to the piccys and then submit it.
Thanks for all the help everybody.