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Re: Fulton's Clip Joint Playing Cards
« Reply #275 on: January 13, 2012, 06:59:43 AM »
 

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I just got mines today, and they have the exact same thickness as my standard Bees. I can't really say for the handling since my Bees are a bit more worn out, but hey do seem to be on the soft side for such thick stock. I'm gonna have to agree on the Bee stock.
Then again, I was surprised to find out that my stingers (That I got from D&D in the same order) are ALSO as thick... And the T11 description clearly says aristocrat stock. :-\
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Re: Fulton's Clip Joint Playing Cards
« Reply #276 on: January 13, 2012, 10:44:57 AM »
 

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You can tell by the feel that the Stingers have nicer stock.  There's gotta be more to it than just thickness, right?  Hmm... actually, I have no idea.
 

Re: Fulton's Clip Joint Playing Cards
« Reply #277 on: January 13, 2012, 11:58:44 AM »
 

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I just got mines today, and they have the exact same thickness as my standard Bees. I can't really say for the handling since my Bees are a bit more worn out, but hey do seem to be on the soft side for such thick stock. I'm gonna have to agree on the Bee stock.
Then again, I was surprised to find out that my stingers (That I got from D&D in the same order) are ALSO as thick... And the T11 description clearly says aristocrat stock. :-\


The Stingers have a softer stock than the Fulton's.  Aristocrat stock is soft, except for the version used in Tally Ho decks.
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Re: Fulton's Clip Joint Playing Cards
« Reply #278 on: September 12, 2013, 01:27:00 PM »
 

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Hi. I'm wondering who if anyone has much info about the fultons private reserve deck. I've searched on here to no avail, I've searched online too. D&D website tells me only 100 produced and was intended for Fulton and his closest friends. Also has a "missing seal sticker". But what I wana know is, for those who own one, how different is it really from the actual clip joint?
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Re: Fulton's Clip Joint Playing Cards
« Reply #279 on: September 12, 2013, 02:12:36 PM »
 

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Hi. I'm wondering who if anyone has much info about the fultons private reserve deck. I've searched on here to no avail, I've searched online too. D&D website tells me only 100 produced and was intended for Fulton and his closest friends. Also has a "missing seal sticker". But what I wana know is, for those who own one, how different is it really from the actual clip joint?

It's the same blasted deck with a custom seal.  "Intended for Fulton and his closest friends?"  Fulton in this case is a fictitious character created by Brad Fulton, just as Fulton's Clip Joint isn't a real Los Angeles bar that ever existed, and Ace Fulton's casino doesn't exist either, because Ace Fulton himself doesn't exist.

Simply put, it was a way to get people to buy more decks.
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Re: Fulton's Clip Joint Playing Cards
« Reply #280 on: September 12, 2013, 02:28:17 PM »
 

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Hi. I'm wondering who if anyone has much info about the fultons private reserve deck. I've searched on here to no avail, I've searched online too. D&D website tells me only 100 produced and was intended for Fulton and his closest friends. Also has a "missing seal sticker". But what I wana know is, for those who own one, how different is it really from the actual clip joint?

It's most likely just a clip joint that D&D took the cellophane off of and hand placed seals made by another printing company.
 

Re: Fulton's Clip Joint Playing Cards
« Reply #281 on: September 12, 2013, 03:32:36 PM »
 

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Hi. I'm wondering who if anyone has much info about the fultons private reserve deck. I've searched on here to no avail, I've searched online too. D&D website tells me only 100 produced and was intended for Fulton and his closest friends. Also has a "missing seal sticker". But what I wana know is, for those who own one, how different is it really from the actual clip joint?

It's the same blasted deck with a custom seal.  "Intended for Fulton and his closest friends?"  Fulton in this case is a fictitious character created by Brad Fulton, just as Fulton's Clip Joint isn't a real Los Angeles bar that ever existed, and Ace Fulton's casino doesn't exist either, because Ace Fulton himself doesn't exist.

Simply put, it was a way to get people to buy more decks.

Ahh I see. I was offered one the other day for £20, but I told them I have 3 clip joints and asked what made this so special. They replied "100 printed with a custom seal. Very rare." So I replied "is it the same basic deck as the normal clip joint?" To which I got no response. I should've realised at that point lol
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« Reply #282 on: September 13, 2013, 01:30:56 AM »
 

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Hi. I'm wondering who if anyone has much info about the fultons private reserve deck. I've searched on here to no avail, I've searched online too. D&D website tells me only 100 produced and was intended for Fulton and his closest friends. Also has a "missing seal sticker". But what I wana know is, for those who own one, how different is it really from the actual clip joint?

It's the same blasted deck with a custom seal.  "Intended for Fulton and his closest friends?"  Fulton in this case is a fictitious character created by Brad Fulton, just as Fulton's Clip Joint isn't a real Los Angeles bar that ever existed, and Ace Fulton's casino doesn't exist either, because Ace Fulton himself doesn't exist.

Simply put, it was a way to get people to buy more decks.

Ahh I see. I was offered one the other day for £20, but I told them I have 3 clip joints and asked what made this so special. They replied "100 printed with a custom seal. Very rare." So I replied "is it the same basic deck as the normal clip joint?" To which I got no response. I should've realised at that point lol

Yep. Unless you're a hardcore collector of everything D&D or Fulton related they are not worth anything above the retail price on the D&D website. They are hardly even worth the price being asked there.
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« Reply #283 on: September 13, 2013, 03:12:32 AM »
 

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The design was interesting at the time, but it's been cribbed a lot these days and the performance went south fast on this.  It had a life span of yesterday...
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Re: Fulton's Clip Joint Playing Cards
« Reply #284 on: September 13, 2013, 08:26:55 AM »
 

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The design was interesting at the time, but it's been cribbed a lot these days and the performance went south fast on this.  It had a life span of yesterday...

I still love what they did with the pips! It's one of those designs, in my opinion, works well because it's slightly different enough to be custom but not over the top so. It doesn't really take away from the function or look of the cards I think if only one pip is changed. I will definitely agree on the performance though. The clip joints don't seem to last very long for some reason. Maybe it's the way I've handled mine.
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« Reply #285 on: September 13, 2013, 11:19:36 AM »
 

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The design was interesting at the time, but it's been cribbed a lot these days and the performance went south fast on this.  It had a life span of yesterday...

They still are interesting. I believe it was the first of its kind to use the one custom pip idea. These were very well done. Maybe too well. I have not bought any other Fulton deck. None compare.

By performance, you mean handling? Can't say I remember how mine handled. Did not leave a lasting impression. D&D needs to update the website display. Many older good products getting lost or forgotten in the back.
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« Reply #286 on: September 13, 2013, 05:34:32 PM »
 

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« Reply #287 on: September 14, 2013, 12:22:06 AM »
 

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By performance, you mean handling? Can't say I remember how mine handled. Did not leave a lasting impression. D&D needs to update the website display. Many older good products getting lost or forgotten in the back.

Yeah, they did NOT last long.  They didn't use Magic Finish on this - they claim with certain decks that they use a "proprietary finish" of their own, but that's marketing BS.  Nice concept, attractive deck and that's about it.  Oh, and a really screwy-looking joker...

wasn't the white knuckles deck out before these?

White Knuckles definitely predate this deck, by a good number of months.  But the intricacy of the WK deck is way beyond what was done with this one.  It's like comparing baroque to modern art - worlds apart in the level of detail work.
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Re: Fulton's Clip Joint Playing Cards
« Reply #288 on: September 14, 2013, 03:47:07 AM »
 

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By performance, you mean handling? Can't say I remember how mine handled. Did not leave a lasting impression. D&D needs to update the website display. Many older good products getting lost or forgotten in the back.

Yeah, they did NOT last long.  They didn't use Magic Finish on this - they claim with certain decks that they use a "proprietary finish" of their own, but that's marketing BS.  Nice concept, attractive deck and that's about it.  Oh, and a really screwy-looking joker...

The jokers and back design had little to do with the theme of clip joints in my opinion. Other than the black of the back and the darker reds. I can see maybe smokey? No doubt I like the card faces, but those jokers are very random.

wasn't the white knuckles deck out before these?

White Knuckles definitely predate this deck, by a good number of months.  But the intricacy of the WK deck is way beyond what was done with this one.  It's like comparing baroque to modern art - worlds apart in the level of detail work.

Now the White Knuckles are a very nicely designed deck of cards. I can appreciate the huge amount of detail in each card. Now if we are to say the Clip Joint performance (handling) turned south quickly, the White Knuckles are a different story. Those were bad almost out of the box. I'm still hoping someone puts it into motion to reprint them with a standard Magic Finish and maybe add some metallics in the deck. I can only dream...
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Re: Fulton's Clip Joint Playing Cards
« Reply #289 on: September 14, 2013, 06:13:15 AM »
 

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Now the White Knuckles are a very nicely designed deck of cards. I can appreciate the huge amount of detail in each card. Now if we are to say the Clip Joint performance (handling) turned south quickly, the White Knuckles are a different story. Those were bad almost out of the box. I'm still hoping someone puts it into motion to reprint them with a standard Magic Finish and maybe add some metallics in the deck. I can only dream...

Yeah, they were part of the "transition period" decks, while USPC was still shaking down the new equipment at the Erlanger plant when it opened.  The decks of that period had a spotty record - some came out fine while others had terrible handling issues - worst of all being the Stephen Rook decks with all the metallics he used.  Magic Finish counters metallic ink performance problems these days, but then, man did they get bad fast.

I agree about the handling and the desire to see them reprinted, but I would disagree about adding metallic inks.  They were a mighty fine set of decks design-wise, no changes needed.  I think that some of the more finely-detailed handwork would be lost if painted in with metallic inks.

But yeah, Fulton's Clip Joints were an odd duck, but an interesting one.  Of all the Fulton's decks, to me that was the only one worth having, and only barely so.  The rest were, as I see it, attempts to milk the concept dry.  I was sorely disappointed with the Chinatowns and the faces on the Ace Fulton's Casino decks were a disappointment to me - that one oddball pip concept was really poorly executed on that design in my opinion, because the odd pips looked too much like a different suit.
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Re: Fulton's Clip Joint Playing Cards
« Reply #290 on: September 15, 2013, 01:09:42 AM »
 

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How can't u compare them? Custom pips and a single custom pip. Fultons, although a fine deck, did nothing new.

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« Reply #291 on: September 15, 2013, 05:44:21 AM »
 

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Now the White Knuckles are a very nicely designed deck of cards. I can appreciate the huge amount of detail in each card. Now if we are to say the Clip Joint performance (handling) turned south quickly, the White Knuckles are a different story. Those were bad almost out of the box. I'm still hoping someone puts it into motion to reprint them with a standard Magic Finish and maybe add some metallics in the deck. I can only dream...

Yeah, they were part of the "transition period" decks, while USPC was still shaking down the new equipment at the Erlanger plant when it opened.  The decks of that period had a spotty record - some came out fine while others had terrible handling issues - worst of all being the Stephen Rook decks with all the metallics he used.  Magic Finish counters metallic ink performance problems these days, but then, man did they get bad fast.

I agree about the handling and the desire to see them reprinted, but I would disagree about adding metallic inks.  They were a mighty fine set of decks design-wise, no changes needed.  I think that some of the more finely-detailed handwork would be lost if painted in with metallic inks.

But yeah, Fulton's Clip Joints were an odd duck, but an interesting one.  Of all the Fulton's decks, to me that was the only one worth having, and only barely so.  The rest were, as I see it, attempts to milk the concept dry.  I was sorely disappointed with the Chinatowns and the faces on the Ace Fulton's Casino decks were a disappointment to me - that one oddball pip concept was really poorly executed on that design in my opinion, because the odd pips looked too much like a different suit.

I think I'm just a fan of that slight shine in bright light. But I would definitely agree that if the fine detailed design is ruined with metallics, they don't need them.

I think it was the fact that it was difficult to tell that the pip was supposed to be a spade with the proper pip punched out of it at first glance. You'd either have to have known or think about it. At least the Clip Joints had the proper pip with a little bit of fancy contained within it.

How can't u compare them? Custom pips and a single custom pip. Fultons, although a fine deck, did nothing new.

(This is coming from a person that very much likes the design of the clip joints).

I think it's more so not just the pips but the design concept of the entire decks. The White Knuckles had completely custom, realistic courts, extremely detailed pips, and an extremely detailed back to match. The Clip Joints had recolored courts, one custom pip per face, and a decent back design that (in my opinion) didn't match the theme. So one deck was built from scratch and was made extremely detailed while the other was changed slightly in some ways and left "standard" in others. You can compare them, yes. But to do so would be unfair to the Clip Joints.
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« Reply #292 on: September 15, 2013, 05:47:30 AM »
 

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How can't u compare them? Custom pips and a single custom pip. Fultons, although a fine deck, did nothing new.

(This is coming from a person that very much likes the design of the clip joints).

They brought the idea of the single customized pip to the forefront.  Closest thing I'd see to that previous was the Bicycle Pirate decks, and they simply recolored some of the pips on each card.  It was sort of interesting the first time around, but in retrospect seems a little odd.  Why just the one pip?  And different pips in different places, with no consistency from suit to suit?  But at the time it was popular enough to spawn an entire line of Fulton's decks.
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