Orbiter 2.0 Playing Card Display - LIVE on Kickstarter!

[Don Boyer]

Well, that's about it. Hopefully, that clears the "Boyer Shipping Conspiracy" up. I'm always open to answering questions, so please don't hesitate to ask. I only ask that you keep it classy San Diego.

Well put.  I would suggest that, since your project does indeed show unit cost separately from shipping, add a chart similar to the one I've created that will let people know at a glance what their total charges will be with shipping included as well.  Sure, they could do the math and figure it out, but in the spirit of openness and honesty it would be a nice gesture and it shows you're treating your customers better than the average project creator.

Allow me to add - welcome to the forum!  We're glad to have you here.

[sprouts1115]

@louizz - Here is an idea.  Make a third one that holds 5.  Make them turn around slowly.  Hell, put a LED light shining down to each of the decks.  It would be a mechanical device kind of like what Dale did. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/dalemathis/worlds-first-3d-metal-and-mechanized-playing-cards

I'm sure deck collectors can muster up 5 choice decks to make a center show piece. 

[Don Boyer]

@louizz - Here is an idea.  Make a third one that holds 5.  Make them turn around slowly.  Hell, put a LED light shining down to each of the decks.  It would be a mechanical device kind of like what Dale did. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/dalemathis/worlds-first-3d-metal-and-mechanized-playing-cards

I'm sure deck collectors can muster up 5 choice decks to make a center show piece.

Russell - WHHHHHYYYYYYYY?!?

[Rob Wright]

@louizz - Here is an idea.  Make a third one that holds 5.  Make them turn around slowly.  Hell, put a LED light shining down to each of the decks.  It would be a mechanical device kind of like what Dale did. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/dalemathis/worlds-first-3d-metal-and-mechanized-playing-cards

I'm sure deck collectors can muster up 5 choice decks to make a center show piece.

Russell - WHHHHHYYYYYYYY?!?

Russ might be on to something. Maybe not this project, but a display where the decks turn automatically could be cool.

[Don Boyer]

@louizz - Here is an idea.  Make a third one that holds 5.  Make them turn around slowly.  Hell, put a LED light shining down to each of the decks.  It would be a mechanical device kind of like what Dale did. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/dalemathis/worlds-first-3d-metal-and-mechanized-playing-cards

I'm sure deck collectors can muster up 5 choice decks to make a center show piece.

Russell - WHHHHHYYYYYYYY?!?

Russ might be on to something. Maybe not this project, but a display where the decks turn automatically could be cool.

What, this one wasn't expensive enough for you?  Not saying this one isn't worth it, but it's not the cheapest way to display decks.

So, he proposes:
* Shortening the display to hold just five decks
* Making the deck rotate mechanically
* Adding LED lights to highlight each deck (where, I have no idea, since any close-up light source, inside or outside of the box case, will reflect light against the clear plastic to create more glare than visibility).

Do you really want a light source that close to your decks?  Do you really want to hear the incessant whining of the motor in action?  Sure, you can turn it off, but what's the point of having it then?  You could also make the motor work very slowly, but then who's going to notice?  Most people don't have time to watch paint dry or watch glaciers melt - this goes on the same list.  Power source - batteries or wall current?  Converters for international use?  UL listing for an electric device?  FCC testing for radio frequency interference?  And who besides Europeans knows what requirements the EU has for electric devices of this type?

Does any of that sound either simpler or better?  The plain-Jane version presented here is just fine - if it ain't broke, don't fix it!

This is like the way he tried to improve playing cards and make them simpler by ADDING more cards to the deck...

[aldazar]

Sure, they could do the math and figure it out, but in the spirit of openness and honesty it would be a nice gesture and it shows you're treating your customers better than the average project creator.

The way it's currently shown is neither opaque/closed nor dishonest. It may be a bit difficult for people who can't do simple math or use a basic calculator, but the implication that it is dishonest seems somewhat unfair...

The plain-Jane version presented here is just fine - if it ain't broke, don't fix it!

If everyone subscribed to this logic, we would not have the wonderful variety of custom designed playing cards that we have today... After all, good old Bikes aren't exactly broken... So much hatorade...=P

[BiggerDee]

I have to be honest...I didn't read carefully and didn't know that shipping wasn't included until I caught up on this thread. I pledged for one unit, and just upped my pledge for the $11 shipping charge. Trouble is, I added the additional 5 deck modules. Would those be included in the $11 shipping, or is there an additional shipping charge just for them. I'm not going to pull my pledge, but the non-included shipping has left me a bit disappointed in my "Hey, that's a pretty good deal" thinking. It's a cool item, and I appreciate the transparency, but I'm now up to $68 (If I remember correctly) to display $15 decks. I can imagine that realizing that they forgot to to include shipping in their pledge will cause some backers to pull their pledge, maybe when it's time to pay after the campaign is over. It's the person pledging that is responsible for reading thoroughly, but many don't. I've backed close to 200 projects on KS so far, and I'm even guilty of skipping over the details from time to time. I hope that the project is funded, and that it doesn't fail due to folks dealing with the separate shipping charge. It sucks that good-intentioned transparency on the part of an honest creator can cause such an issue.

[louizz]

Hey Bigger Dee- The $11 shipping does cover the addition of the 5 additional windows, so you're good. So far, there's very little people who haven't added the shipping into their pledge, and we're trying to stay on top of anyone who hasn't by sending them a message letting them know to add it. Everyone so far has been really cool and understanding about it, so hopefully, that continues.

[Rob Wright]

I understand separating the shipping for transparency. I have seen it on a few other projects, but I think most people are use to it being included. That confusion may be keeping some from backing. From my understanding, it makes no difference in fees to KS. One possible option for a future project would be to include the shipping, but have a separation chart to explain where the money is going.

[sprouts1115]

@louizz - Here is an idea.  Make a third one that holds 5.  Make them turn around slowly.  Hell, put a LED light shining down to each of the decks.  It would be a mechanical device kind of like what Dale did. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/dalemathis/worlds-first-3d-metal-and-mechanized-playing-cards

I'm sure deck collectors can muster up 5 choice decks to make a center show piece.

Russell - WHHHHHYYYYYYYY?!?

Russ might be on to something. Maybe not this project, but a display where the decks turn automatically could be cool.

What, this one wasn't expensive enough for you?  Not saying this one isn't worth it, but it's not the cheapest way to display decks.

So, he proposes:
* Shortening the display to hold just five decks
* Making the deck rotate mechanically
* Adding LED lights to highlight each deck (where, I have no idea, since any close-up light source, inside or outside of the box case, will reflect light against the clear plastic to create more glare than visibility).

Do you really want a light source that close to your decks?  Do you really want to hear the incessant whining of the motor in action?  Sure, you can turn it off, but what's the point of having it then?  You could also make the motor work very slowly, but then who's going to notice?  Most people don't have time to watch paint dry or watch glaciers melt - this goes on the same list.  Power source - batteries or wall current?  Converters for international use?  UL listing for an electric device?  FCC testing for radio frequency interference?  And who besides Europeans knows what requirements the EU has for electric devices of this type?

Does any of that sound either simpler or better?  The plain-Jane version presented here is just fine - if it ain't broke, don't fix it!

@Don - New ideas and suggestions are always good.  Or is it your only your opinions that matter. You make it a little bit difficult to respond to posts you're a bit condescending.

This is like the way he tried to improve playing cards and make them simpler by ADDING more cards to the deck...

[BiggerDee]

Louizz, thank you for the reply!

[louizz]

My pleasure!

[PurpleIce]

Orbiter Playing Cards - Now Available With Orbiter Display

[piratebear81]

I really like the orbiter display.  I haven't pledged yet but seriously thinking about it.

[Fess]

I love the Orbiter Displays. I'm in heavy as usual when I say I love something. I can't help myself.

The deck has bright colors and it's fun, I'm in for a whole mess of those as well. Scott posted that update perfectly, got me out of the possible dog house with these. The girl likes the deck more than I do so, haha, easy win there. I'll have an orbiter loaded with orbiters and the possibility of getting my girlfriend to participate in come card games. Win/Win/Win.

[CBJ]

Launching soon!!!






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[CBJ]

via Crooked Kings Cards Facebook page:

"It's official everyone! The Orbiter will launch next Tuesday (2/17) at 10AM (EST)!!!!! Hope to see you all pledge!"





CBJ

[Fess]

There is a deck in that photo that I can't place. First deck, upper left.

[Don Boyer]

There is a deck in that photo that I can't place. First deck, upper left.

Try strolling through KS.  I think pretty much all the decks there were released on KS in the last two or so years.

[Fess]

There is a deck in that photo that I can't place. First deck, upper left.

Try strolling through KS.  I think pretty much all the decks there were released on KS in the last two or so years.

I was kind of hoping there was a forum member who actually owns the deck and could just tell me. (*cough* scott *cough* I know you're lurking.*cough*) My stroll down the KS history of playing cards days are currently scheduled for Feb 30th and 31st. I just don't have time to do that even though I am curious what deck it is. If someone knows what it is, please chime in.

About the Orbiter 2.0 card cage do hickey itself. That looks pretty sweet but also pretty fragile, if it's hard plastic along the lines of say an music cassette case. Wonder what kind of plastic it is and how it connects to the frame.

[Rob Wright]

About the Orbiter 2.0 card cage do hickey itself. That looks pretty sweet but also pretty fragile, if it's hard plastic along the lines of say an music cassette case. Wonder what kind of plastic it is and how it connects to the frame.

That will be interesting to see. It looks like he may have simplified the design, to cut down on production cost.

[Don Boyer]

About the Orbiter 2.0 card cage do hickey itself. That looks pretty sweet but also pretty fragile, if it's hard plastic along the lines of say an music cassette case. Wonder what kind of plastic it is and how it connects to the frame.

That will be interesting to see. It looks like he may have simplified the design, to cut down on production cost.

Not just that, but I think it's also aimed at allowing for a more attractive display of the cards and easier access for removal.  Perhaps it's not as protective, I'm not sure.

The whole "encapsulated" idea seemed a bit like overkill - good to protect the decks, but nowhere near as attractive, masking many of the details.  If this looks better (and it does) and costs less, perhaps they've hit that perfect balance?

[CBJ]

Update via Crooked Kings

"Hey everyone! We're very excited about the relaunch of the Orbiter tomorrow! Just a reminder, it will launch tomorrow at 10AM (EST) on Kickstarter, and we hope to see you all there to make this a reality!"






CBJ

[CBJ]

ANd it's LIVE


https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/crookedkings/orbiter-20-the-360-playing-card-display

[Fess]

Sometimes a sequel is better and sometimes it's not. Which occasion does Orbiter 2.0 fall into? I don't know yet.

The deck cage design has changed quite a bit. From a three part cage to a two part cage. The original plans for the Orbiter cage called for black hard plastic to be used as a support and two clear acrylic sides to be popped on for display. Everything attached to the hard plastic center, which appeared to be the structure portion of the cage.

This version's cage is two molded pieces of acrylic that fit together, one of the acrylic sides will hold the nibs so it can be placed into the frame. This removed the black hard plastic structure piece. While the look is cleaner, it also appears to be somewhat weaker. I don't think this design would hold up to impact of an accidental drop as well. This new version may very well be better for it, popping open with ease to reduce damage to the cage. It's hard to say having never tested either, just have a gut feeling from previous experience with clear acrylic cases.

These re-designed orbiters allow us to place a total of six decks in the frame. This is another pretty big change to the original design which allowed some fifteen total decks per frame. It looks like there may have been some issue for some backers over the size of Orbiter 1.0 and they've addressed this making each frame smaller while keeping the stackable, customizable design from the originals.

The nibs have undergone a redesign as well. They're no longer the involved contraptions we knew before, but now simple and easy to place posts. No doubt a money saving move. I think this one is a no brainer and a gigantic plus over the original design.

Most obvious change is the frame itself. This has been shortened and from the photo renders it looks as though it's also a little thinner than the originals. Orbiter 2.0 does bring a lot of changes to the design, many of which are cost savings, and several just make sense from an ease of use perspective.

Without caring about the funding goal, that's not our job as backers, which design do you think has more appeal? Is this the Display that will finally bring card collections out of the shadow box?