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« on: October 21, 2014, 12:38:41 PM »
 

ryan9112

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Hello fellow cardists, i am new to cardistry well not that new , but i have a few questions for well higher class cardists or pros. first i try to do the waterfall thing :P but i am having a problem with the pharoah shuffle, the top edge of the cards peel off! s it natural while doing the shuffle or am i doing it wrong?
 

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« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2014, 01:27:40 PM »
 

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ow one more topic. i cant seem to be good at doing cuts you know like the dynamo cut and others...is it because i need more practice? or if i want to be good at a cut i should create my own personal cut?
 

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« Reply #2 on: October 21, 2014, 02:16:14 PM »
 

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OK, I'm no cardist, but I have a few thoughts for you.

The shuffle in question is FARO, not PHAROAH - though one theory about the game it was created for was that it probably at one time was called Pharoah but America was a simpler place back then and fewer people were literate enough to spell it.

I learned a LOT from the Homer Liwag video on the Filipino False Faro - it costs less than $10 and you can download it at theory11.com.  He talks a lot about good technique for faro shuffles and I know mine improved after I watched it a few times.

If you're having trouble mastering some of the basic cuts, I don't think trying to invent your own is the best route to take.  "Gee, I suck at driving - maybe I should invent a new car!"  Sounds silly, doesn't it?

The Xtreme Beginnerz DVDs volumes 1 and 2 by De'vo vom Schattenreich go through EVERYTHING a beginner needs to know, even down to choice of deck.  Consider getting at least volume one to start.  He sells them at xtremehandz.com and you can also find them at ellusionist.com.
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« Reply #3 on: October 22, 2014, 02:08:11 PM »
 

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First off, the type of cards you are using makes an enormous difference. Cheap, (typically) Chinese-printed cards most of the time are not physically capable of faroing due to the way they are made. United States Playing Card company's brands are usually good for faros, but lately I have purchased some cards from supermarkets that will not do it at all; namely, Bicycle Plumas and the green and purple peacock-themed Bicycles. I also have purchased Bees recently (again from a large chain store) that will not faro at all.

Another factor that has an influence on your faros is which direction you do the weave. Generally, USPC decks will faro from backs to faces - I find that quality cards will usually weave either way. Another very important tip: always use a deck with very smooth, worn edges to practice with. The shuffle is much easier with worn cards.

The cards should not peel regularly from faroing. That is just a result of your learning the shuffle - I'd say it would take a few hundred faros before the cards get worn enough to peel (assuming good technique). Both packets generally should remain perfectly square the entire time. If either of your pockets come unsquare, it's better to start over than try to force them to weave. The pressure on both packets should be very light, and you shouldn't have to slide the packets back and forth to weave them. Keep in mind that the weave happens at the corners that are closest to you. I would show you what I mean by that last sentence but I do not have a camera on me at the moment.

Cuts are all practice practice practice. There is no other secret.

Hope this helps a bit - I've been doing the faro for almost ten years.

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« Reply #4 on: October 23, 2014, 04:23:14 AM »
 

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First off, the type of cards you are using makes an enormous difference. Cheap, (typically) Chinese-printed cards most of the time are not physically capable of faroing due to the way they are made. United States Playing Card company's brands are usually good for faros, but lately I have purchased some cards from supermarkets that will not do it at all; namely, Bicycle Plumas and the green and purple peacock-themed Bicycles. I also have purchased Bees recently (again from a large chain store) that will not faro at all.

Another factor that has an influence on your faros is which direction you do the weave. Generally, USPC decks will faro from backs to faces - I find that quality cards will usually weave either way. Another very important tip: always use a deck with very smooth, worn edges to practice with. The shuffle is much easier with worn cards.

What you're talking about with the weave generally has to do with the cut.  More on that in a moment, but first, when any deck capable of weave shuffling is used often enough in a variety of ways, it can do so in both directions.  It's simply a sign of the cards being well broken-in.

When a deck out of the box weaves from back to front, that's a "modern cut" or "face-up cut" deck.  The deck is pushed through the cutting die with cards face up so the cutting edge enters from back to face.  If you attempt a table weave shuffle, it will only do so if face-up.

A "face-down cut" or "traditionally-cut" deck pushed cards face down into the cutting die, entering face to back and reversing the bevel of the card edge compared to modern cuts.  These can not only be table weave-shuffled face down, but also can be controlled better in a variety of shuffles fresh from the box.

USPC for the most part stopped making traditionally-cut, mass-produced cards sometime in the 1980s - cutting face down requires an extra step in the printing process where the deck sheet has to be flipped over.  Makes little sense to me, since you could simply print the backs on the faces side and vice versa, but I'm not a printer so maybe I'm missing something.  Any deck designer who asks them for traditionally-cut cards will often be told that it results in a rougher cut - I call bull on that, since that's more likely caused by a dull cutting edge on the die.  You do occasionally find a traditionally-cut deck (could be by accident) in a recent mass-market print run, but even if this happens, it won't be in many of the cards, assuming they catch the mistake right away - a roll on the web press only produces about 11,000 decks and they'd know immediately when the cards came out facing the wrong direction.  There are two major customer types that insist on getting traditionally cut decks - Richard Turner and nearly every single casino they do business with, if not all of them.  Bill Kalush did as well, back when he was still ordering from USPC - all CARC-produced decks are traditionally cut.

I don't know much about caristry, but I do know a fair amount about card manufacture!

A little tip, Ryan - there's two kinds of faro, faro-in and faro-out.  A faro-out is when the top and bottom cards remain the same after the shuffle is completed - the top and bottom cards are pushed out in the weave rather than into the deck.  In a faro-in, the top and bottom cards change.  If you wanted, you could flourish the cards around, performing faro shuffles and some false cuts and leave the deck in a specific state:

26 faro-in shuffles will reverse the order of the cards in the deck from the beginning.
52 faro-in or 8 faro-out shuffles will bring the deck back to the original order you started with.

Many decks are released in what looks like a random order out of the box, but after a specific faro (usually a faro-out) and maybe a specific cut, the deck will end up in a specific memorized stack order, usually the Mnemonica stack.
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